There's probably no god.

[So]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: SpanishFry

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
what a waste of money 🙁

And building multi-million dollar churches to "worship God", instead of use it to help people (like religious texts say to do) isn't?

maybe that is helping people.

"Helping" the clergy make more money, "helping" the church to get more followers (in turn more money for the clergy), and "helping" the congregation to be able to brag about how awesome their church is (and being more comfortable while in it) maybe. I don't see how it is "helping" the people who really need help though.

priests don't make much money. at least in catholicism anyway.

It's the benefits that keep them on the job.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: SpanishFry

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
what a waste of money 🙁

And building multi-million dollar churches to "worship God", instead of use it to help people (like religious texts say to do) isn't?

maybe that is helping people.

"Helping" the clergy make more money, "helping" the church to get more followers (in turn more money for the clergy), and "helping" the congregation to be able to brag about how awesome their church is (and being more comfortable while in it) maybe. I don't see how it is "helping" the people who really need help though.

priests don't make much money. at least in catholicism anyway.

The new mega-churches, the "preachers" make a TON. Im not talking about the guys on TV, either.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31



The new mega-churches, the "preachers" make a TON. Im not talking about the guys on TV, either.

What is happening now with churches, their membership and money is not what God intended. There is a lot of evil in churches.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: SpanishFry

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
what a waste of money 🙁

And building multi-million dollar churches to "worship God", instead of use it to help people (like religious texts say to do) isn't?

maybe that is helping people.

"Helping" the clergy make more money, "helping" the church to get more followers (in turn more money for the clergy), and "helping" the congregation to be able to brag about how awesome their church is (and being more comfortable while in it) maybe. I don't see how it is "helping" the people who really need help though.

priests don't make much money. at least in catholicism anyway.

The new mega-churches, the "preachers" make a TON. Im not talking about the guys on TV, either.

edit: hit post too early

That is the type of church I am referring to. Along with some of the "not quite" mega churches, that spend millions on a new building.

Originally posted by: So

It's the benefits that keep them on the job.

Like the alter boys....

Originally posted by: foghorn67

You just focus on the negative.

I call them as I see them. Yes some churches do help the community. Yes some churches aren't all corrupt and want to help people. Unfortunately there aren't many that actually practice the religion they preach.

Originally posted by: MrWizzard

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
I find religion a very interesting topic, because it requires blind faith in something.

Ummm, not really, but that is what most people blindly believe soo kinda.

Care to show me how it doesn't require blind faith? Where is the proof of "God"? Where is the proof of any of the religious beliefs throughout the world?

 

[Tim]

Their second bus ad-

Athiesm: A non-prophet organization.

 

[Connoisseur]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
people need to fuck off and get a life.

both sides.

yesterday.

live and let live, you pricks.

dude they are letting live. They just bought ad space on a bus. It's not like they're going around asking you why you're not atheist and calling you stupid for it. I can't possibly count how many religious ads/banners i've seen across the US. If they're willing to spend the money for it, good for them. Presents another point of view to the general public.

 

[Vehemence]

Originally posted by: theplaidfad
Their second bus ad-

Athiesm: A non-prophet organization.

I like it

 

[Tim]

Originally posted by: dNor

Originally posted by: theplaidfad
Their second bus ad-

Athiesm: A non-prophet organization.

I like it

You've made my day.

 

[NuclearNed]

Just a technicality: Can someone be an atheist and yet say there is "probably" not a God? Isn't that the classic definition of an agnostic?

Also, I would be curious to see how they calculated the probability of there being no God.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Connoisseur
It's not like they're going around asking you why you're not atheist and calling you stupid for it.

thats my job 😉

 

[So]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Just a technicality: Can someone be an atheist and yet say there is "probably" not a God? Isn't that the classic definition of an agnostic?

Also, I would be curious to see how they calculated the probability of there being no God.

That is the populist definition of agnosticism, it isn't the accurate definition.

An agnostic is someone who says it's impossible to know 100%, a gnostic is someone who thinks it is possible. A theist is someone who actively believes in a god and an atheist is someone who doesn't.

Anyone who says they are an agnostic and means "I don't rule out the possibility of a god" is already an atheist, they just don't want to admit it. There are gnostic and agnotsic atheists and theists.

Most "agnostics" are simply atheists who are afraid to admit it to others (or even themselves) for fear of social consequences. Things like this will help show them that they're not alone.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
I call them as I see them. Yes some churches do help the community. Yes some churches aren't all corrupt and want to help people. Unfortunately there aren't many that actually practice the religion they preach.

That is a bold statement. Churches that do good aren't newsworthy. Scandals are.
You can't call them as you see it, because you don't know what most Christians what other religious people do.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: So
Anyone who says they are an agnostic and means "I don't rule out the possibility of a god" is already an atheist, they just don't want to admit it. There are gnostic and agnotsic atheists and theists.

The problem is theres no singular definition of atheist. Dawkins measures out 6 levels of atheism, with 6 being "certainty in no god" and 5 as "99.9% certain of no god". He puts himself at 5. I don't know that most people who call themselves atheists would ever say they are 6, as that is just as silly as being 100% sure there is a god.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: So
Anyone who says they are an agnostic and means "I don't rule out the possibility of a god" is already an atheist, they just don't want to admit it. There are gnostic and agnotsic atheists and theists.

The problem is theres no singular definition of atheist. Dawkins measures out 6 levels of atheism, with 6 being "certainty in no god" and 5 as "99.9% certain of no god". He puts himself at 5. I don't know that most people who call themselves atheists would ever say they are 6, as that is just as silly as being 100% sure there is a god.

I am going by the dictionary definitions of those words. Assigning silly "levels" should only have a point if you worship L-Ron.

 

[spidey07]

It's exactly because there is a god that I don't worry and enjoy my life.

 

[thirtythree]

Originally posted by: darkxshade
Reminds me of that youtube video of those guys going from house to house of religious people promoting atheism. 😛

Link?

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Just a technicality: Can someone be an atheist and yet say there is "probably" not a God? Isn't that the classic definition of an agnostic?

Also, I would be curious to see how they calculated the probability of there being no God.

Yes. Atheism is often used simply to mean absence of belief. Plus agnosticism isn't the belief that there is probably not a God.

 

[DefDC]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Just a technicality: Can someone be an atheist and yet say there is "probably" not a God? Isn't that the classic definition of an agnostic?

Also, I would be curious to see how they calculated the probability of there being no God.

There probably won't be a unicorn on my front lawn when I get home from work today. I can't prove it now. There's books about unicorns. There's crazy people that say that they are real. I'm FAIRLY positive that there won't be one waiting for me.

/snark

I'm agnostic. I've seen some crazy stuff in my life that I can't explain, so I won't rule anything out. Just the fact that all current religion's gods happen to be silent, invisible, and leave no physical proof of their existence, while their member's constantly war, even amongst themselves, make me hesitant to jump on board.

When's the last time that the correct answer to anything was "supernatural"?

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Originally posted by: spidey07
It's exactly because there is a god that I don't worry and enjoy my life.

There are thousands of gods. Which god have you been taught to believe in?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: So
I am going by the dictionary definitions of those words.

I get that, but the general understanding of atheism is flawed. There's a difference between "not believing in god" and "being certain there is no god". But if you profess atheism you are generally creditted with the latter, and that's not what most atheists believe. I think Dawkins was trying to address this misperception with his level system.

On the flip side, if someone is a theist, they "believe in god" but are not necessarily "100% certain there is a god".

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: So
Anyone who says they are an agnostic and means "I don't rule out the possibility of a god" is already an atheist, they just don't want to admit it. There are gnostic and agnotsic atheists and theists.

The problem is theres no singular definition of atheist. Dawkins measures out 6 levels of atheism, with 6 being "certainty in no god" and 5 as "99.9% certain of no god". He puts himself at 5. I don't know that most people who call themselves atheists would ever say they are 6, as that is just as silly as being 100% sure there is a god.

I guess that idea is along the lines of saying, "The LHC will generate black holes, and possibly dragons."
Sure, there is a chance of either one happening. There's also a possibility that all of the protons in Earth will undergo natural radioactive decay at exactly the same time. It's just so inexplicably unlikely that it's effectively impossible.

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: spidey07
It's exactly because there is a god that I don't worry and enjoy my life.

There are thousands of gods. Which god have you been taught to believe in?

The "correct" one, no doubt. 😛

I wouldn't trust this god
Guy sucked into a jet engine, but he didn't get sucked in all the way, so he just got badly injured.
"God had a hold of my feet."

Alright, so let me get this straight. Supposedly:
- God is watching over you
- A guardian angel is watching over you
- Dead relatives are watching over you

All this oversight, and still he got sucked into an engine and was inches from being shredded and then stir-fried.

I'd love to see God's job review:
"Your resume says here that you are all-powerful, all-loving, and all-knowing. Yet this guy here was badly injured, and nearly died, all while under your watch. What happened?"

"Oh come on, it was funny!!!! He didn't die, so what the hell is the problem?"


As an infinitely capable overseer, God did a pretty piss-poor job there. That, or else he is the sort who enjoys cutting the tails off of mice, just to watch them squirm - in this case, dangling a person head-first into a jet engine.
If that's the God that's "watching over" people, I'd be scared shitless. He's an insane sadist.

 

[EGGO]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
people need to fuck off and get a life.

both sides.

yesterday.

live and let live, you pricks.

Quote, "There probably is no god. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."

Honestly, doesn't sound as pushy as the agenda as people are making it sound like. It's just trying to make you think. It's not telling you any definates, no extremism (it sounds more like an agnostic agenda than atheist) other than to live.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: So
I am going by the dictionary definitions of those words.

I get that, but the general understanding of atheism is flawed. There's a difference between "not believing in god" and "being certain there is no god". But if you profess atheism you are generally creditted with the latter, and that's not what most atheists believe.

Indeed. actually wiktionary put it best in its definition of atheism:

(person who does not believe that deities exist): Note the difference between the two senses. In general, those who identify themselves as atheists say they do not have a belief, while those who are believers identify atheists using the second sense, someone who denies the existence. This reflects the different underlying philosophies?the religious see belief or faith as valid; the non-religious do not. (This is the substance of the Dawkins quotation.)

 

[SpanishFry]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: SpanishFry

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
what a waste of money 🙁

And building multi-million dollar churches to "worship God", instead of use it to help people (like religious texts say to do) isn't?

maybe that is helping people.

Helping people be more ignorant? Ok...

seems you have it mastered

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Connoisseur

Originally posted by: meltdown75
people need to fuck off and get a life.

both sides.

yesterday.

live and let live, you pricks.

dude they are letting live. They just bought ad space on a bus. It's not like they're going around asking you why you're not atheist and calling you stupid for it. I can't possibly count how many religious ads/banners i've seen across the US. If they're willing to spend the money for it, good for them. Presents another point of view to the general public.

They're not fucking off.

there's so much off to fuck, and it's all going to waste

 

[LtPage1]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
what a waste of money 🙁

Just goes to show that even atheists can be total idiots.