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There's no pleasing the tea party

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nixium

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Their irrational single minded hate toward Obamacare is making them eat their own. Psychologists will have to define a new set of mental diseases for explaining their behavior. What else can explain this combination of stupidity, inflexibility, ignorance and lack of empathy?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/09/paul-ryan-angers-tea-partiers.html

This is ridiculous. Republicans need to strongly reject the Tea Party and get things moving in this country again.
 
Weren't several left-wing sources trumpeting the "death of the tea party" a year or so ago?

Boy that's good stuff.
 
The Tea-Party folks remind me of the radical terrorist muslims. And as with the radical terrorist muslims I always wonder where the common-sense moderates are..that are supposed to be in the majority. Where are the moderate thinkers in the Republican party? Are they all just so scared that they will let the rabble control the debate? And don't even get me started with the Fox News -- Limbaugh republicans fanning the flames. It's just stupid.
 
Atreus21 said:
Weren't several left-wing sources trumpeting the "death of the tea party" a year or so ago?

Boy that's good stuff.
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Their attitude and Republican pandering to them caused a loss of seats in both chambers of Congress and the Presidency. Those who are sick don't always die fast and painlessly. Some die slow and ugly. The Tea Party certainly has a malignant growth that is killing it, it's called Ted Cruz and it replaced the previous cancerous tumor called Michelle Bachmann.
 
Don't confuse taking everyone else down with them for not dying. I'm starting to think that's really become the plan. They know the Republican brand is sunk, but if they sink the rest of the country they're on equal footing and still in the game. At this point it's probably their best political strategy.
 
thraashman said:
The Tea Party certainly has a malignant growth that is killing it, it's called Ted Cruz and it replaced the previous cancerous tumor called Michelle Bachmann.
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Did you know that Ted Cruz supported Bush both times?

Did you know that Michelle Bachmann supported tax hikes?
 
thraashman said:
Their attitude and Republican pandering to them caused a loss of seats in both chambers of Congress and the Presidency. Those who are sick don't always die fast and painlessly. Some die slow and ugly. The Tea Party certainly has a malignant growth that is killing it, it's called Ted Cruz and it replaced the previous cancerous tumor called Michelle Bachmann.
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Yeah, it's not like republicans control the House or anything.
 
LOL the same people who follow the Democrats and Obama are crying about Tea Partiers. You guys are the same thing under a different name. Just followers of a cause.
 
Cr0nJ0b said:
The Tea-Party folks remind me of the radical terrorist muslims. And as with the radical terrorist muslims I always wonder where the common-sense moderates are..that are supposed to be in the majority. Where are the moderate thinkers in the Republican party? Are they all just so scared that they will let the rabble control the debate? And don't even get me started with the Fox News -- Limbaugh republicans fanning the flames. It's just stupid.
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So Republican who want a balanced budget remind you of people who fly planes into buildings and cause thousands to die. Sounds like you are the one who is scared.
 
nixium said:
Republicans need to strongly reject the Tea Party and get things moving in this country again
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You're 180 degrees off. The nation would benefit greatly with a very distinct and large separation between the beliefs and desired goals in a two party system. Tea Party and Democrat parties would fill that bill.
 
Matt1970 said:
2012 House Popular vote 58,541,130 vs 60,252,696 (46.9% vs 48.3%) caused an 8 seat loss. Gerrymandering not found.
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Right. How about we look instead at a state level since that's where the impact is. Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan. Let's compare the popular votes to seats won there and see what the numbers show.

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MomentsofSanity said:
Right. How about we look instead at a state level since that's where the impact is. Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan. Let's compare the popular votes to seats won there and see what the numbers show.
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I'm genuinely curious, does that graph exist for all 50 states?
 
MomentsofSanity said:
Right. How about we look instead at a state level since that's where the impact is. Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan. Let's compare the popular votes to seats won there and see what the numbers show.

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Densely populated urban areas are generally very dominantly Democrat, while sparsely populated rural areas lean conservative.

Here in Illinois most district races are like 60-40, but you get into the city of Chicago and now you see the 90-10 elections for the Democratic candidate.

What are you going to do? Create a down-state district that includes a slice of Chicago in it for diversity? The bulk of Democratic voters are tightly packed, the *only* options to spread their vote out is either (1) gerrymander the shit out of the state making even crazier slices so inner-city Democrats are represented out in the far suburb districts, or (2) you ditch the whole districting system in gov't.

Or you could take the easier route and just become increasingly pissed off with life.



And I don't know how other states did it, at least in Illinois the Democratically controlled legislature redrew the U.S. Congressional districts, so it's like it didn't even matter who controlled the U.S. House, the state gov't here redrew it. The IL Dems gerrymandered the shit out of the map and you can see the effect in the second like you provided, they redrew the maps so incumbent Republican members found themselves in the same district as another, meaning one of them cannot run for re-election, and the adjacent district with an open election for the Democrat to have an easier election.
 
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I really don't want to sound rude, but you guys really hate fiscal conservatism. Call me stupid, but I can't understand this hatred. Do you think debt is good? How do you manage your personal lives?

Wouldn't you be the least bit worried about a powerful entity that can bust through your doors, and rife though your pockets with nothing but its own corrupt supervision? Don't you need money to live? So isn't this a theat to your very existence?

I really don't think you understand the tea party. I doubt you want to either. You dismiss it like it's some crazy fringe group.

How is not wanting to spend money on social welfare programs utilized by undesirables whose position in life is self-inflicted an illogical, or crazy, motive to a rational mind? You could probably make the case that such a notion is selfish, yes, but crazy?

Really?
 
nixium said:
Their irrational single minded hate toward Obamacare is making them eat their own. Psychologists will have to define a new set of mental diseases for explaining their behavior. What else can explain this combination of stupidity, inflexibility, ignorance and lack of empathy?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/09/paul-ryan-angers-tea-partiers.html

This is ridiculous. Republicans need to strongly reject the Tea Party and get things moving in this country again.
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cubby1223 said:
Densely populated urban areas are generally very dominantly Democrat, while sparsely populated rural areas lean conservative.

Here in Illinois most district races are like 60-40, but you get into the city of Chicago and now you see the 90-10 elections for the Democratic candidate.

What are you going to do? Create a down-state district that includes a slice of Chicago in it for diversity? The bulk of Democratic voters are tightly packed, the *only* options to spread their vote out is either (1) gerrymander the shit out of the state making even crazier slices so inner-city Democrats are represented out in the far suburb districts, or (2) you ditch the whole districting system in gov't.

Or you could take the easier route and just become increasingly pissed off with life.



And I don't know how other states did it, at least in Illinois the Democratically controlled legislature redrew the U.S. Congressional districts, so it's like it didn't even matter who controlled the U.S. House, the state gov't here redrew it.
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That's backwards from reality. In Texas, for example, Democratic areas have been cracked apart for no Dem seats when possible, or packed into 90/10 districts as you describe.

http://z.about.com/d/uspolitics/1/0/w/texas_congressional_map.png

See where those fajita strip districts converge? That's Austin.

http://www.politifact.com/texas/sta...-legislator-calls-austin-largest-us-city-wit/
 
MomentsofSanity said:
Been trying to find something myself that shows that and haven't yet

Found this. http://projects.propublica.org/graphics/seats-vs-votes

Edit. I will add that such comparisons ignore quality of candidates which could certainly cause big swings either way in some districts when it comes to the popular votes.
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What I think they ignore is common sense. I think it's dumb to expect the % of elected representatives (Dem or Repub) to match the % of votes. All a candidate needs is one more vote than the other guy to win office. Theoretically you could have a state with a ratio of Dem/Rep voters at 50.1/49.9 yet 100% of the winners being Dems.

While gerrymandering can be an issue, it's all too often overstated. I can see it having a impact around big cities with a large population, but that's very little of the USA.

Fern
 
nixium said:
Their irrational single minded hate toward Obamacare is making them eat their own. Psychologists will have to define a new set of mental diseases for explaining their behavior. What else can explain this combination of stupidity, inflexibility, ignorance and lack of empathy?
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Not liking to be told what to and when to do it?

Fern
 
Dannar26 said:
I really don't think you understand the tea party. I doubt you want to either. You dismiss it like it's some crazy fringe group.
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Did you see that episode of Penn & Teller where they asked tax questions to a bunch of tea party people and most of them gave the kinds of answers a democrat would give? The rich should pay more taxes, etc.

Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street are groups that have a few well informed people and a very large majority of retards. Government out of my medicare!
 
Funny that the Dems are now coming up with the excuse of gerrymandering for the loss of the House.

Maybe they need to look inward and stop stacking the urban districts.
 
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