Why do you need a God for guilt? When you wrong a person you can feel bad towards him or her, and make it up to that person or ignore it.
Why do you need a God for guilt? When you wrong a person you can feel bad towards him or her, and make it up to that person or ignore it.
Great statement!!!
All atheists are emtionless neanderthals who walk around doing as they please because the have no guilt.
Boy, I would kick ur ass if you were here now!
Just because Atheists don't lokk up to god and abide by his laws, doesn't mean they don't look up to the laws of soceity.
All I know is that I sure as hell didn't make a doctrine about anything. I don't care what "organized" atheists say. I go by the definition.
That's like saying that since some uber-christian said that people buried dinosaur bones all over the earth as a conspiracy for evolution, you believe that and are accountable for that statement. Shut up already.
Funny I'm not the one who "vocally" goes door-to-door to sell my religion. I'm not the one who organizes every sunday to put a "voice" to my ideas. I keep my ideas/beliefs inside and unless somebody gives me a reason to respond about them. Basically the only time we come out of the woodwork is when somebody has our views wrong and we point it out that they have the concept wrong. Of course there are the extremists, but in general the far majority of extremists are wrong in all circumstances.
Never close off your mind to the possibility of the unknown. Just don't assume that the unkown will happen, because someone says that it will.
The best quote to close this out... and it works for all the Theists, Agnostics and Atheists.
"God does not play dice" - Albert Einstein
There is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is his Prophet
- Islamic Creed, Koran, ~550 CE
I pledge myself to the Mazdayasnian religion ... which of all religions that exist or shall be, is the greatest, the best, and the most beautiful: Ahuric, Zoroastrian. I ascribe all good to Ahura Mazda [God].
- Zoroastrian Creed, the Hymns of Zarathushtra, 550 BCE
Zoroastrianism was the original monotheistic religion in the Mediterranean region and many of the ideas in Judaism, Christianity, Mithraism, and Islam can be traced back to Zoroastrians. They were the first people, for example, to conceive of a religious narrative as a dualistic story of a battle between two forces of good and evil and associated angelic powers, and also that the creation of the universe would take seven "days". The Zoroastrians still exist today as "Parsees".
http://www.avesta.org/pahlavi/zadspram.html
However, the idea of theophagy, the eating of the body of God by worshippers, and a consequent godly resurrection is a much older idea and can be traced back in written texts to the Osiris Cult in Ancient Egypt, ~ 2000 BCE.
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris
http://www.medmalexperts.com/POCM/pagan_christs_osiris.html
The Osirists also perfected the ritual of baptism for their new believers:
The Mithraists borrowed the idea of theophagy from the Egyptians at around the same time as the Christians, and this led to a huge degree of rivalry between the young cults in the Roman Empire from around 150AD as both accused the other of stealing their best ideas. But in fact the Mithraists popularized this idea first and the early Christian writers said therefore that "Satan" had deliberately planted the idea several decades before Christianity arrived in order to sow doubt and confusion in the minds of prospective Christians. YMMV.
http://www.truthbeknown.com/mithra.htm
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraism
Recall that in some of the Christian resurrection stories, the witnesses see that Jesus has emerged from a cave, and that a rock blocking the entrance has been cast aside...
Originally posted by: WRXFanatic
"another question for all you who don't believe in God....
What do you do with your guilt?"
This quote really takes the cake.
"I contend we are both Atheists - I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you reject all other gods, you will understand why I reject yours." -Stephen F. Roberts
Given that quote, I surmise there are no theists. only athiests and agnostics. To be a theist you must beleive in all gods. Or else you are an athiest to people who beleive ina different god than yours.
In other news this is the worst thread I've ever had constipation in. (I couldn't bring myself to crap in it even though it is worthy of none other than said crap.)
BTW what I posted is pure BS, and nothing but pure BS so help me....umm...whatever being may or may not have creared the universe. Man that's a long phrase for god. We need a new word for "possible diety" One that may or may not exist. ~God perhaps? Approximate God? No I dunno something like that. +-God? or, Pod? Perhaps God? hmm that would be PG I guess. Ok from now on PG is what you must call it, and the word God is banned....BAND! so no more crappy threads on thing you know nothing aboot.
While we're at it ban 0.99...=1, people get stuck on that too.
MOTION FOR BAND!
Given that quote, I surmise there are no theists. only athiests and agnostics. To be a theist you must beleive in all gods. Or else you are an athiest to people who beleive ina different god than yours.
In other news this is the worst thread I've ever had constipation in. (I couldn't bring myself to crap in it even though it is worthy of none other than said crap.)
BTW what I posted is pure BS, and nothing but pure BS so help me....umm...whatever being may or may not have creared the universe. Man that's a long phrase for god. We need a new word for "possible diety" One that may or may not exist. ~God perhaps? Approximate God? No I dunno something like that. +-God? or, Pod? Perhaps God? hmm that would be PG I guess. Ok from now on PG is what you must call it, and the word God is banned....BAND! so no more crappy threads on thing you know nothing aboot.
While we're at it ban 0.99...=1, people get stuck on that too.
MOTION FOR BAND!
Please people lets just let this thread die. It's not worth hogging up space on the AT servers.
I not only understand, that is exactly what I was saying. I specifically said "athiest to people who believe in a different god than yours."
The whole point I was making albeit slightly in jest, was that both athiests and thiests are wrong. And agnostics simply say bah we don't know. Here is how it really is: god both exists and doesn't exist at the same time.
See it's like Shrodinger's cat thought experiment. If you can't see in the box, we say that the cat is both dead and alive at the same time. A particle you can't verify both exists and doesnt exist at the same time. Hence god both exists and doesn't exist at the same time. You must give merit to both sides because either may be right.
Btw, and I say again this is all in jest and I'm just screwing around. I don't really beleive in the nonsense I'm spewing I'm just yammering to give you something to think about, and counter if you must.
yah lets keep it to constructive posts like **OFFICIAL** -What is in your mouth RIGHT NOW?- thread.
You're right, there is no such thing as an athiest. There are atheists though.
Oh btw your logic is seriously flawed too.
Oh btw your logic is seriously flawed too.
shhhhhhhhhh. No one's supposed to know that early Christians stole most of their ideas from other religions.
Nobody ever said atheists wouldn't rather have a god who can make them feel better / they can blame / they can ask for help / gives them hope / etc. I think life would probably be easier if I believed in god... it just so happens that I don't think there is one (or if there is, he sure isn't doing anything significant), and can't just change my beliefs because I'd rather beleive something else. I'd rather not have to believe in, for example, quantum mechanics... it's a pain in the a$$, but the evidence points to it.
WHAT, I go to confessional DuH!!! <----(sarcasm)
I was just stunned by wrxfantic's response. Quantum mechanics, relativity, superstring love reading about that stuff. Oh yah I think that beliving in God would be way easier. Well except for waking up before 11 on sunday. lol
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
moral panics sig says it best.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen Roberts
its so simple, so true, it destroys any reason to continue the thread.
considering how many religions there have been throughout time, theres a good chance that even if one is correct, you probably chose wrong
I see. Well, believers existing today is proof that that child will someday do just that. He/she will naturally seek out the answers. For those who say the believers were taught, I ask a question; who taught the teachers? If it exists now, it surely must've had a beginning since effects cannot be uncaused.
But since effects cannot be uncaused, surely that means effects should not exist without a first cause; a cause that itself is uncaused. Whatever or whoever was that first cause must've had the ability (or authority) to break the rule of causality.
Enjoy your food for thought.
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