There is no such thing as an Athiest

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: WRXFanatic
ok...this is just something i thought about....how do actual athiests exist?
they claim that there is no God, therefore admitting to the fact that they are omniscent (all knowing?), therefore putting themselves in the place of God because only God is all knowing....
any thoughts?

I guess there are no monotheists either.
they claim that there is a God, therefore admitting to the fact that they are omniscent (all knowing?), therefore putting themselves in the place of a God because only a God is all knowing....
Therefore there are at least two gods, the one they believe in and themselves, so they cannot be monotheists.

 

[Looney]

You can argue semantics all you want... all it is is YOUR label for what we are. I'm actually a Buddhist, i believe in the Buddhists philosophy, and in true Buddhism, there are no gods, no creator. I just use the label atheist because it's convenient... but the fact is, what i assert is the argument that there are no creator gods, whether it's Christian or not.

 

[iwearnosox]

I'm a mormon. I believe Native Americans came from Jerusalem and the book of mormon was written from two golden tablets glowing inside a hat.

(Dum dum dum dum dum.)

 

[Warthog912]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

they claim that there is no God, therefore admitting to the fact that they are omniscent (all knowing?), therefore putting themselves in the place of God because only God is all knowing....

Well, this is the stupidiest logic i've ever heard before.

As for real athiest... we're ALL born atheist. Nobody is born knowing God, they're taught it.

Being that I'm lazy, I've only read 1/2 way down, but this is the best thing I've heard in a long while...

Thanks for the info-

Later

 

[matt426malm]

How many species are there 1,000,000s? Did the 600 year old Noah and his family build an ark the size of a city all by themselves?

 

[matt426malm]

Me to philisophically well minus karma nothing good happens to me

 

[tranceport]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
goddamit how is it possible that your god made you so fvcking stupid?

/agree


Also. Do not assume next time.....

 

[Xenon14]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Skoorb
A true atheist is no more intelligent than the believer that they ridicule. If somebody can claim there is no god, they obviously can't claim (without having the power of god) that they know totally that there is not one. Regardless of one's following, be it devout religious freak or not, at the LEAST somebody has to achknowledge that there may be a god. To say with a straight face that there absolutely is not one is simply groundless. Can't prove there is and can't prove there isn't. And, I'm out of the thread.

Exactly. What most people call an "atheist" is, in reality, a "strong agnostic", that is, a person who believes that a preponderance of evidence suggests that there is no god but who admits that they could be mistaken since there is no proof.

ZV

Agreed, under that string of logic people say, "Prove to me that the rotation and gravity of Neptune did not cause you to write that post at that exact time." You can't prove that... just like you can't prove that the shortest distance between to points is a line. There's no proof for it, it's just assumed.

 

[tRaptor]

Religion is just a crutch for the weak.

 

[matt426malm]

Originally posted by: tRaptor
Religion is just a crutch for the weak.

Well organized religon at least

 

[ThaPerculator]

god you people can't understand the burden of proof principle....

atheism:

2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity

definition of diety...

de·i·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-t, d-)

A god or goddess.

1. a god or goddess

2. a.The essential nature or condition of being a god; divinity.
b.Deity God. Used with the

definition of disbelief:

dis·be·lieve ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dsb-lv)
v. dis·be·lieved, dis·be·liev·ing, dis·be·lieves
v. tr.
To refuse to believe in; reject.

v. intr.
To withhold or reject belief.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
dis


Therfore, an atheist refuses, withholds, or rejects belief in the existence of deity. Nowhere does it say that a atheist thinks that it is impossible for diety to exist. An atheist can refuse to believe in the existence of deity without believing in anything. An atheist does not have the burden of proof of deity. A Theist has the burden of proof.

 

[WRXFanatic]

Originally posted by: matt426malm
How many species are there 1,000,000s? Did the 600 year old Noah and his family build an ark the size of a city all by themselves?

What seems to be overlooked is the fact that the ark was supernaturally designed by God and it took Noah and his three sons about 120 years to complete its construction. From biblical account, it was our almighty and omniscient God who personally gave Noah instructions as the specifications of the ark.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
You're the one that's using the wrong term. An agnostic is somebody who is unsure if there is a God or not (no matter what religion), i'm firmly against the belief that there is a God. I believe the universe had a beginning, but it certainly wasn't created by an intelligent being.

An atheist, like you quote, disbelief in the existence of deities... and deities are intelligent beings that govern the universe.

Incorrect. A weak agnostic is unsure. A strong agnostic says that while a god is possible, there is a preponderance of evidence against a god and believes therefore that no god exists but is intelligent enough not to make positive claims.

ZV

 

[matt426malm]

There sure are a lot of atheists/agnostics on this site. I think I am the only one at my university.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: ThaPerculator
Therfore, an atheist refuses, withholds, or rejects belief in the existence of deity. Nowhere does it say that a atheist thinks that it is impossible for diety to exist. An atheist can refuse to believe in the existence of deity without believing in anything. An atheist does not have the burden of proof of deity. A Theist has the burden of proof.

What do you think that the doctrine of the non-existance of diety is, if it is not a positive statement that a diety (i.e. a god, any god) does not exist? I'd love to see you wriggle out of that one.

ZV

 

[WRXFanatic]

Originally posted by: Warthog912

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

they claim that there is no God, therefore admitting to the fact that they are omniscent (all knowing?), therefore putting themselves in the place of God because only God is all knowing....

Well, this is the stupidiest logic i've ever heard before.

As for real athiest... we're ALL born atheist. Nobody is born knowing God, they're taught it.

Being that I'm lazy, I've only read 1/2 way down, but this is the best thing I've heard in a long while...

Thanks for the info-

Later

straight from the Bible:

Romans 1:18-20
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creatino of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
You're the one that's using the wrong term. An agnostic is somebody who is unsure if there is a God or not (no matter what religion), i'm firmly against the belief that there is a God. I believe the universe had a beginning, but it certainly wasn't created by an intelligent being.

An atheist, like you quote, disbelief in the existence of deities... and deities are intelligent beings that govern the universe.

Incorrect. A weak agnostic is unsure. A strong agnostic says that while a god is possible, there is a preponderance of evidence against a god and believes therefore that no god exists but is intelligent enough not to make positive claims.

ZV

LOL again, all you're doing is semantics, and arguing whether i'm an atheist or agnostic at that!

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: ThaPerculator
Therfore, an atheist refuses, withholds, or rejects belief in the existence of deity. Nowhere does it say that a atheist thinks that it is impossible for diety to exist. An atheist can refuse to believe in the existence of deity without believing in anything. An atheist does not have the burden of proof of deity. A Theist has the burden of proof.

What do you think that the doctrine of the non-existance of diety is, if it is not a positive statement that a diety (i.e. a god, any god) does not exist? I'd love to see you wriggle out of that one.

ZV

Just like not every theist believes in the Christian God, not every atheist believes in the doctrine of the non-existence of a deity. And just because somebody believes in another creator God, and not the Christian God, that they're not a theist, so too just because somebody does not believe in the doctrine of the non-existence of a deity, does not make them an atheist. All you're doing is arguing semantics.

http://www.users.qwest.net/~jcosta3/glossary.html

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
You're the one that's using the wrong term. An agnostic is somebody who is unsure if there is a God or not (no matter what religion), i'm firmly against the belief that there is a God. I believe the universe had a beginning, but it certainly wasn't created by an intelligent being.

An atheist, like you quote, disbelief in the existence of deities... and deities are intelligent beings that govern the universe.

Incorrect. A weak agnostic is unsure. A strong agnostic says that while a god is possible, there is a preponderance of evidence against a god and believes therefore that no god exists but is intelligent enough not to make positive claims.

ZV

LOL again, all you're doing is semantics, and arguing whether i'm an atheist or agnostic at that!

I said earlier that I was only arguing semantics! Bloody hell you people have no reading comprehension! Nowehere have I said that I was arguing anything other than semantics on this particular point!

The point I had been making was that if someone did make a positive claim that there were no gods then there would be as much a burden of proof on them as there is on a theist.

ZV

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: tRaptor
Religion is just a crutch for the weak.

and that is an excuse for the ignorant.

I am not weak, but I believe in there had to be some sort of Creator. I don't buy into all the thing religions today have to offer nor that the Bible is 100% accurate...

Å

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
You're the one that's using the wrong term. An agnostic is somebody who is unsure if there is a God or not (no matter what religion), i'm firmly against the belief that there is a God. I believe the universe had a beginning, but it certainly wasn't created by an intelligent being.

An atheist, like you quote, disbelief in the existence of deities... and deities are intelligent beings that govern the universe.

Incorrect. A weak agnostic is unsure. A strong agnostic says that while a god is possible, there is a preponderance of evidence against a god and believes therefore that no god exists but is intelligent enough not to make positive claims.

ZV

LOL again, all you're doing is semantics, and arguing whether i'm an atheist or agnostic at that!

I said earlier that I was only arguing semantics! Bloody hell you people have no reading comprehension! Nowehere have I said that I was arguing anything other than semantics on this particular point!

The point I had been making was that if someone did make a positive claim that there were no gods then there would be as much a burden of proof on them as there is on a theist.

ZV

Then what's the point in arguing if all you're going to do is stick to semantics? Is proper labelling me going to ease your conscience, if you believe that i'm an agnostic rather than an atheist? Do you believe that if you properly believe i'm an agnostic, that that somehow gives you hope that there might be a creator god, because i'm uncertain?

 

[matt426malm]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
You're the one that's using the wrong term. An agnostic is somebody who is unsure if there is a God or not (no matter what religion), i'm firmly against the belief that there is a God. I believe the universe had a beginning, but it certainly wasn't created by an intelligent being.

An atheist, like you quote, disbelief in the existence of deities... and deities are intelligent beings that govern the universe.

Incorrect. A weak agnostic is unsure. A strong agnostic says that while a god is possible, there is a preponderance of evidence against a god and believes therefore that no god exists but is intelligent enough not to make positive claims.

ZV

LOL again, all you're doing is semantics, and arguing whether i'm an atheist or agnostic at that!

I said earlier that I was only arguing semantics! Bloody hell you people have no reading comprehension! Nowehere have I said that I was arguing anything other than semantics on this particular point!

The point I had been making was that if someone did make a positive claim that there were no gods then there would be as much a burden of proof on them as there is on a theist.

ZV

weak agnostic - fence stradeler
strong agnostic - can't prove there is no god but doesn't believe he should have to
atheist - believes there is no god even though he can't prove it

what the hell is being argued here anyway?

 

[WRXFanatic]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: tRaptor
Religion is just a crutch for the weak.

and that is an excuse for the ignorant.

I am not weak, but I believe in there had to be some sort of Creator. I don't buy into all the thing religions today have to offer nor that the Bible is 100% accurate...

Å

why do you believe that the Bible is not 100% accurate?

 

[matt426malm]

props to wrxfanatic for keeping the theist vs. agnostic/atheist arguement alive because the atheist vs. agnostic argument sucks. Okay just about everything in the bible could be proven wrong but the mature person accepts that and believes that they are just stories that teach a moral lesson. Not all theist are (that one religon that believes every thing the bible says)

 

[WRXFanatic]

Originally posted by: matt426malm
props to wrxfanatic for keeping the theist vs. agnostic/atheist arguement alive because the atheist vs. agnostic argument sucks. Okay just about everything in the bible could be proven wrong but the mature person accepts that and believes that they are just stories that teach a moral lesson. Not all theist are (that one religon that believes every thing the bible says)

1. the Bible was written in over 40 countries by many many different authors, yet somehow it all fits together into a perfect book that is connected from Genesis to Revelation

2. prophecies from the old testament were fufilled in the New testament