"There is no moral equivalence between Israel and Hamas"

[fskimospy]

Your talking about a court that has no powers of enforcement or Jurisdiction.....
Your talking about a court that from day one has been highly biased against Israel.....

Your talking about a court that has said that Israel is NOT allowed to protect its citizens....
http://www.timesofisrael.com/icj-treatment-of-israel-biased-as-seen-in-syria/
“The fact that the General Assembly referred the matter of the terror prevention fence to the ICJ so quickly… but after more than two years and 100,000 people killed,” has yet to prosecute Assad or Syria shows the system is extremely flawed, he says. “The legal system is biased against Israel, and the Syrian example proves it.”

In a July 2004 advisory opinion issued by the ICJ, it called upon Israel to remove the barrier and compensate those damaged by its initial construction. It also listed other Israeli actions it viewed as illegal, which had little to do with the barrier itself.

Heideman says the court didn’t look at the context in which the fence was built. “The fact that it was constructed after years of fighting,” or that “it was built because hundreds of Israelis were killed and thousands hurt in terror bombings” wasn’t addressed by the court.

“Those who asked the ICJ for its opinion worded the questions in a way that would harm Israel,” the lawyer argues. “They referred to the fence as a wall,” he says, in an effort “to make Israel look bad… Whoever studies the topic knows that only 5-10 percent of the terror-preventing barrier is a wall; the rest is a fence.”


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Color me shocked that the people who are on the losing end of decisions are trying to attack the legitimacy if the court. It isn't just the ICJ, or the UN, it's EVERYONE. some day you're just going to have to come to grips with reality that what Israel is doing is wrong.

 

[Riparian]

Color me shocked that the people who are on the losing end of decisions are trying to attack the legitimacy if the court. It isn't just the ICJ, or the UN, it's EVERYONE. some day you're just going to have to come to grips with reality that what Israel is doing is wrong.

Is this not what this forum does best every time a Supreme Court decision is handed down?

 

[shira]

Crap, there shira. Krautheimer, is restating the propaganda PR line of Israel is good, Palestinians are evil, particularly because Israel withdrew colonies and occupation from the quite densely populated little region of the Gaza strip.

In all disregard to balance and honesty, nothing is expressed to recognise Israel diversion to more greatly intensify the annexation and colonisation into the more desirable West Bank, while increasing draconian security measures and controls against the local Palestinian populations.

A BS and typically expected Israeli state PR piece you found there, shira.

It's of no surprise, that many here have avoided addressing my post on the last page concerning law and Israeli intentions for illegally expanding that state at the expense of native and titled inhabitants.

I don't think the Palestinian's are evil; I think Hamas is evil and the Palestinians were incredibly stupid to place their trust in them.

Furthermore, if as you claim Krautheimer's column is BS, please list what's factually incorrect.

 

[Harabec]

After looking at some world news I have to wonder once again about the amazing coverage of the battle - purely IDF on Israel's side with photos of soldiers, tanks and helicopters, and ONLY civilians on the other side. Is Hamas trying to paint the picture of a non-aggressive people getting bombarded by the evil almighty green army while not fighting back?

Again, no photos of Hamas fighters, fighting or wounded or even dead.

 

[Victorian Gray]

After looking at some world news I have to wonder once again about the amazing coverage of the battle - purely IDF on Israel's side with photos of soldiers, tanks and helicopters, and ONLY civilians on the other side. Is Hamas trying to paint the picture of a non-aggressive people getting bombarded by the evil almighty green army while not fighting back?

Again, no photos of Hamas fighters, fighting or wounded or even dead.

aren't you enjoying the show?

 

[Harabec]

What is the point of your post? You think war is a game?
Those people have suffered 14 years of rocket and mortar attacks, I bet they're glad to be able to go out of the shelters for a while.
Do you expect them to play the victim at all times, otherwise they have no legitimacy in anything?

 

[Victorian Gray]

What is the point of your post? You think war is a game?
Those people have suffered 14 years of rocket and mortar attacks, I bet they're glad to be able to go out of the shelters for a while.
Do you expect them to play the victim at all times, otherwise they have no legitimacy in anything?

It's not a game, it's a movie:

"It said that people were seen taking popcorn up onto the hill with their chairs, and that they sat cheerfully smoking hookahs.

Sderot cinema. Israelis bringing chairs 2 hilltop in sderot 2 watch latest from Gaza. Clapping when blasts are heard. pic.twitter.com/WYZquV62O7
— Allan Sørensen (@allansorensen72) July 9, 2014​

“We are here to see Israel destroy Hamas,” said Eli Chone, a 22-year-old American who lives in Israel."


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...siles-strike-palestinian-targets-9602704.html

 

[Harabec]

I'd like to see Hamas get obliterated as well. I think that is a good ending to a terrorist organization.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I'd like to see Hamas get obliterated as well. I think that is a good ending to a terrorist organization.

Don't forget the popcorn. Real butter I hope.

 

[Mani]

So we're at at least 250 civilians, er, "human shields" dead. And by human shields, we are including the 4 kids killed playing soccer on the beach. Human shields.

 

[Abwx]

500+ palestinians killed; saturday night 13 israeli soldiers were killed and the zionists nazis took revenge by killing about 140 palestinians sunday, about all civilians, by leveling whole buildings.

112 children, 41 women and 25 helderly people are counted, it makes no doubt that the nazi zionists are deliberatly targeting civilians with thoses massive bombings, thoses cowards did show what they worth, about nothing, when confronting Hamas freedom fighters.

To this date israelis nazis did kill civilians at a 90% rate while Hamas did kill militaries at a 85% rate, we know who are the terrorists and for sure it s not Hamas, the numbers dont lie contrary to the despicable zio nazi propaganda...

 

[Borealis7]

To this date israelis nazis did kill civilians at a 90% rate while Hamas did kill militaries at a 85% rate, we know who are the terrorists and for sure it s not Hamas, the numbers dont lie contrary to the despicable zio nazi propaganda...

repeating this crap in a different thread won't make it true. Hamas has fired over a thousand rockets at civilians exclusively - that is...100% civilians attacked. fortunately for israel, the Hamas can't aim and the iron dome stopped civilians from getting hurt.
you just sit there and keep counting armed militants as civilians.

 

[Abwx]

repeating this crap in a different thread won't make it true. Hamas has fired over a thousand rockets at civilians exclusively - that is...100% civilians attacked. fortunately for israel, the Hamas can't aim and the iron dome stopped civilians from getting hurt.
you just sit there and keep counting armed militants as civilians.

They targeted military bases , your airplanes bases among others that you have located near urban areas, hence using thoses urban places as shield to protect your bases, so it s 100% military objectives attacked, and dont tell me that they dont know where they are...

Hamas fighters or political representants are killed at a rate of 5% at most, if lucky, they went in safe harbour days before the bombings and are extremely mobile in the city, you cant target them, you are bombing randomly in the hope that one here and there will be killed along with the massacred civilians, indeed, as shown by the pic above, the zionists are some kind of beasts needing ritual sacrifices as some exorcism for their own cowardise and thirst for innocent palestinians blood.

 

[Screech]

Hamas fighters or political representants are killed at a rate of 5% at most, if lucky, they went in safe harbour days before the bombings and are extremely mobile in the city, you cant target them, you are bombing randomly in the hope that one here and there will be killed along with the massacred civilians, indeed, as shown by the pic above, the zionists are some kind of beasts needing ritual sacrifices as some exorcism for their own cowardise and thirst for innocent palestinians blood.

Its good when we can all come together to figure out why there is so much collateral damage in Gaza, no?

That said, this war is highly Asymmetrical in many ways.....israel should actually try to make a lasting peace, the question is, with who?

 

[JEDIYoda]

500+ palestinians killed; saturday night 13 israeli soldiers were killed and the zionists nazis took revenge by killing about 140 palestinians sunday, about all civilians, by leveling whole buildings.

112 children, 41 women and 25 helderly people are counted, it makes no doubt that the nazi zionists are deliberatly targeting civilians with thoses massive bombings, thoses cowards did show what they worth, about nothing, when confronting Hamas freedom fighters.

To this date israelis nazis did kill civilians at a 90% rate while Hamas did kill militaries at a 85% rate, we know who are the terrorists and for sure it s not Hamas, the numbers dont lie contrary to the despicable zio nazi propaganda...

The issue isn`t civilians dead....or children dead....so who cares?
Just more of a public relations coup for Hamas!

This is really a simple concept --
Hamas needs to stop using the Palestinian people as human shields!
Hamas needs to stop digging tunnels under the Palestinian Homes to store missiles and smuggle goods!

First of all let me say that it is just tragic that Palestinian children and parents are dying! It is very sad...

But lets ask the bigger question -- Whose fault is it?
If it`s your father or uncle or brother who is firing those rockets into Israel..whose fault is it really?


Do you really expect the Israeli`s not to retaliate?

To understand this better we need to look at the Hamas Charter...which even though the rook out article 10......their leaders as of 2012 had called for the destruction of Israel....
Yet even now the charter calls for the murder of Jews in general...

Hamas doesn`t care if they kill Israeli citizens...but they don`t care if Palestinian civilians die...for Hamas until recently having Palestinians die has been a huge public relations coup for Hamas!! To Hamas that is a win, win!!

It has been said that Israel is using a missile defense system to protect its citizens and Hamas is using it`s citizens to protect it`s missiles!

If Hamas had the opportunity they would kill the maximum number Israeli`s they could....
Yet Israel has the opportunity to kill way more people and yet they do not.....

An amazing fact -- I thought this was comical of sorts --
If you are Israel you have to win every war or military engagement.....to continue to be Israel you cannot go 8 and 1.....

The Palestinian people have made some very bad choices of their own leaders and are victimized by their leaders...

Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005.....it`s not occupying Gaza.
Then the Palestinians elected Hamas in 2007!

Truth be told Israel doesn`t want to be in Gaza...Israel wants to take out tunnels and missile launchers and leave Gaza...

If Hamas truly cared about the Palestinians people they would have built underground shelters for the people! Instead they built tunnels to smuggle and hide missile launchers...

 

[JEDIYoda]

They targeted military bases , your airplanes bases among others that you have located near urban areas, hence using thoses urban places as shield to protect your bases, so it s 100% military objectives attacked, and dont tell me that they dont know where they are...<-- doesn`t matter at all!! You are trying to deceive people.....

Hamas fighters or political representants are killed at a rate of 5% at most, if lucky, they went in safe harbour days before the bombings and are extremely mobile in the city, you cant target them, you are bombing randomly in the hope that one here and there will be killed along with the massacred civilians, indeed, as shown by the pic above, the zionists are some kind of beasts needing ritual sacrifices as some exorcism for their own cowardise and thirst for innocent palestinians blood. <--- boohoo......

Hamas doesn`t care if they kill Israeli citizens...but they don`t care if Palestinian civilians die...for Hamas until recently having Palestinians die has been a huge public relations coup for Hamas!! To Hamas that is a win, win!!

It has been said that Israel is using a missile defense system to protect its citizens and Hamas is using it`s citizens to protect it`s missiles!

If Hamas had the opportunity they would kill the maximum number Israeli`s they could....
Yet Israel has the opportunity to kill way more people and yet they do not.....

Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005.....it`s not occupying Gaza.
Then the Palestinians elected Hamas in 2007!

Truth be told Israel doesn`t want to be in Gaza...Israel wants to take out tunnels and missile launchers and leave Gaza...

If Hamas truly cared about the Palestinians people they would have built underground shelters for the people! Instead they built tunnels to smuggle and hide missile launchers...

 

[Abwx]

Its good when we can all come together to figure out why there is so much collateral damage in Gaza, no?

That said, this war is highly Asymmetrical in many ways.....israel should actually try to make a lasting peace, the question is, with who?

There is civilians killed because it is the will of the zionists nazis.

Bombing a city that has 5000 inhabitants/km2 with 600kg DIME bombs, provided by the equally criminal US, can only kill scores of civilians, moreover knowing that Hamas fighters amount to no more than 50 people within thoses 5000/km2, hence they have to kill 100 palestinians to have a chance to spot one or two Hamas soldiers at most.

I just read there are 4000 harmed, the number by itself say that it s deliberate crimes of war.

And the pictures show that they bomb randomly :

Also what you fail to understand is that the Gaza inhabitants have property titles that cover 15% or so of all land of Palestine, that is the true reason of this massacre, it s to tell them that the israeli usurpatory state has confiscated thoses lands once and for all, using (usurpatory) state terrorism by the definition in the process.

 

[Abwx]

Hamas doesn`t care if they kill Israeli citizens...but they don`t care if Palestinian civilians die...for Hamas until recently having Palestinians die has been a huge public relations coup for Hamas!! To Hamas that is a win, win!!

It has been said that Israel is using a missile defense system to protect its citizens and Hamas is using it`s citizens to protect it`s missiles!

If Hamas had the opportunity they would kill the maximum number Israeli`s they could....
Yet Israel has the opportunity to kill way more people and yet they do not.....

Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005.....it`s not occupying Gaza.
Then the Palestinians elected Hamas in 2007!

Truth be told Israel doesn`t want to be in Gaza...Israel wants to take out tunnels and missile launchers and leave Gaza...

If Hamas truly cared about the Palestinians people they would have built underground shelters for the people! Instead they built tunnels to smuggle and hide missile launchers...

You keep repeating the same lies drained from the same manual the zionist get from their propaganda agencies...

Gaza is fully under israeli control, they withdrew from within but are controlling all the access even on the egyptian side, the hedge being completely electrified with a no man land zone between this barrier and the technical border, they are in an open air jail actualy.

As for Hamas they are, contrary to the israeli sub contractor Abbas, fully legitimate, they won the elections and have a sense of political responsability as proved by their revendication for a cease fire where they did legitimate claims that are in line with international laws, while israel s nazi premier is still on a rogue line but it makes no surprise when being the ruler of a fascists state that play the victim while confiscating lands and killing its legal owner every day that passes, so believe your own lies if you want, but just dont ask us to become fools because it would suit your indeed deranged mental confort.

Let s return to reality and zionazis war crimes, pics you wont see in the zio owned US press :

 

[Abwx]

Israelis are sadistics and perverse war criminals, they are killing deliberatly civilians as a revenge for the military losses they endured saturday night, here a video that show clearly the targeted people yesterday, children and helderly, women, and is evidence of war crimes :

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/massacre-shujaiyeh-shelters.html

50 first deads in the neighborhood of Shuja&#8217;iyeh includes 17 children, 14 women and 4 helderly , israelis cowards and nazis army is killing thoses peoples, that leave close to the place where the 13 israelis soldiers where killed, as a revenge, i guess that even the german nazis would feel outmatched...

Hamas are real freedom fighter battling a slowly performed genocide executed by a herd of bloodthirsty nazi zionists beasts, no one human can be that blood addicted.

 

[Harabec]

When are you joining fight?

 

[Abwx]

When are you joining fight?

You did guess by the video that you cant deny anymore that you are blood thirsty war criminals and that your propaganda wont work anymore.?..:biggrin:

I put it again so you can enjoy your status of sub humans that are blood and human sacrifices addicted :

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/massacre-shujaiyeh-shelters.html

Is there any people that ever doubted that Hamas is a legitimate resistance movement, safe said vampires and the dumb ones ?..

 

[Harabec]

So...when are you joining the fight?

 

[Abwx]

So...when are you joining the fight?

lol...

That s typical answer of someone that first started by trying to fool people and who now show its true face, the one of a nazi bloodthirsty war supporter and likely actor, i told you, you are a sub human bloodthirsty beast that is currently butthurt, but not as much as when the bill will be presented...

We saw what you are worth when your pitifull "elite" armed with tanks encountered a few Hamas freedom fighters on foot, it s not the same as cowardly targeting women and children from helicopters.

 

[Harabec]

I'm not hurt, I already told you - you are insane. There is no reason I should entertain your insane views. It is easy to get you to act like a rabid animal with countless personal attacks.

 

[Abwx]

I'm not hurt, I already told you - you are insane. There is no reason I should entertain your insane views. It is easy to get you to act like a rabid animal with countless personal attacks.

Wich words are more insanes than the act of killing children, women and elderly with helicopter guns as an act of revenge for the 15 military losses endured a few hours earlier.?.

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/massacre-shujaiyeh-shelters.html

You "think" that when i say that people doing such evil acts are sub humans i m worse than the people acting so..?..

Why.?.Because you are also one of thoses criminal and bloodthirsty zionist, of course, and you are fanatical enough as to claim that treating you badly with words is worse than you perpetrating war crimes, you are a worst among worst racist, supremacist and indeed sub human people if you "think" so, indeed dont ask to be granted rights that you deliberatly and sadisticaly deny to others, including the status of human being, that you re negating the most barbaric and inhuman way to the Palestinians.