You do realize that buying dynamite today is so heavily regulated and controlled that you are making the opposite point of what you are intending?
Federal explosive regulations
Maybe I'm wrong....maybe you were arguing for tougher regulated laws and not a total ban? If so, you are making a pretty compelling point for stiffer rules.
Edit: Deleted possible inflammatory remark.
lozina
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You are comparing apples to oranges. How can you make a direct comparison between the entire countries of England and Wales to New York? Do you not realize how many variables are at play here, which causes any comparison to be futile? And you failed to mention that since the UK enacted their tougher gun laws gun related crimes have increased.
Look, there are always going to be insane people and they will do insane things. You can't go around trying to ban everything they happen to use because they will just use something else or obtain the same item ilegally.. Instead of a gun maybe someone takes a propane tank and rigs it up to explode inside a crowded store. Then we going to ban propane? More people die from heart disease than guns so we should also ban cheeseburgers. It's just ridiculous.
K1052
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- Aug 21, 2003
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Even though I think that would make sense, it would never pass.
Every time a CCW law comes up in a state the anti-gun lobby sends in their scaremongers to scream that the streets will run red with the blood of innocents. Of course this never actually happens when the laws are passed but that isn't covered by the news since it is a non-story.
Exceedingly few crimes are committed by CC permit holders and even less of those are gun related.
Let's not forget that times are changing. I'm a college kid. I'm also 35, ex-military, and a decade long career in security. You can't assume every freshman is 18 now. In fact, at my campus most students are over 25.
Again this comment, with no support for it whatsoever. Please provide links that show people who carry guns legally shoot people illegally. All research shows people that carry do not experience these things, yet so many of you keep demanding that it would happen in this one instance. Why? Give us some kind of support for your position. I don't have accidents any other place I carry (which is everywhere), why is suddenly going to happen at school? Don't just say it will, prove to me that it will happen.
There are a combination of things rotting our society, and leading to incidents like this. Parents are so busy trying to make money to keep up with the Jones's, that they outsource parenting to nannies and daycare centers. We have less parental involvement, combined with far more corruptive influences in our culture. We have better things to do than build large families, which used to be large enough to be a social network in itself that kids could turn to. Now, lonely kids are turning to the internet as an outlet, becoming more and more depressed all the while since the internet is no substitute for social involvement. We have become so enamored with our xbox's, fancy cars, filth riddled television, and other "feel good" stuff that we have forgotten what is truly important, which is family and fellowship. We like to think that we are better than middle eastern countries and such, merely because we have a higher GDP and bigger televisions, but I can often understand why their conservative, family oriented culture fears to death the so called "gift" we have to offer. Our "gift" causes traditional cultures that have existed for 1000's of years to rot from within within only a few generations.
regulation does not equal ban...or am I wrong????
we have gun regulation now, it is up to the individual what they do with it.
The main component of dynamite, Nitroglycerin is not that hard to come by if you know where to look. It has not been completely outlawed.
Neither has fertilizer. (remember Oklahoma)
Just because you have a license to purchase explosives does not make you a stable individual does it?
This knee jerk reaction people have to ban guns is ridiculous.
I have heard many say that this is the worst incident in history, it is not...it is the worst in recent memory yes, but not the worst ever.
I think Hitler was a little worse.
In China they rounded up a bunch of people for practicing deep breathing and stretching exercises, put them in a prison and have been torturing them and selling their body parts for money.
In North Korea they have been rounding up political activists, putting them in prison camps and gassing them.
In Darfur, people are committing genocide.
In China they rounded up a bunch of people for practicing deep breathing and stretching exercises, put them in a prison and have been torturing them and selling their body parts for money.
In North Korea they have been rounding up political activists, putting them in prison camps and gassing them.
In Darfur, people are committing genocide.
Your suggestion is just as idiotic (if not even more idiotic) than "gun free zones"
A foreign student passes your mental litmus test, then 3 months after starting school his newly found girlfriend dumped him for another guy and he goes on a shooting spree.
What are you going to suggest next?
Have the FBI conduct mental tests on all foreigners every day of the week 24/7?
Ban all foreigners from the country?
You speak as if "mental problems" has everything to do with genetics and nothing to do with the environment.
Your suggestion won't solve anything and is just a waste of money.
The solution: ban all handguns. Since the vast majority of murders are carried out with handguns-problem solved.
Note I am not in favor of banning rifles, shotguns or assault weapons. You never know when you will be attacked by a gang of drug fiends.
Handguns are meant for one purpose, killing other people (except target shooting).
They are easy to conceal and as we just saw very effective at killing people.
People carrying rifles that are up to no good are much easier to spot and aprehend.
Actually, in this case, there is a simple law that could have prevented or at least stalled this incident. Guns should not be sold to people who are mentally unstable. The killer was on psychiatric meds. He had psychiatric problems. If these records could be checked before the sellig of guns, then there would not have been an incident. Also, apparently most of the guns that are used to commit crimes in NYC are from VA b/c VA has the weakest regulations regarding the sale of guns. VA needs to fix their laws.
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That's a slippery slope. Medical records are sealed and held in confidence for a reason.
If we're opening those records to gun stores, they'll be opened to a host of other companies that have no business looking at them.
Vic
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- Jun 12, 2001
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I disagree. There is one law that could prevent events like this. People just don't want to look in the mirror and fix the real problem.
Ask yourself, what do Paducah, Springfield, Columbine, and VaTech all REALLY have in common? Answer: ostracized loners whose lives had been tormented by bullies until they finally snapped in murderous rage.
Sometimes when I look at these tragic events, and the arguments that follow, I wonder if the gun control crowd really isn't fighting for the right to continue being cruel to their fellow humans without the threat of physical retribution. We've become such an impolite society...
Now... I am not saying that the victims deserved what they got. They didn't. What I am saying is that, in the controversy that is the aftermath of these events, there is always the murmur of "What could WE have done to prevent this?" I look at that question as silly because WE didn't cause this. However, if we must have that question, that is what WE could have done to prevent this. WE could stop being such assholes to each other.
But no no never mind... sorry I spoke out of turn, didn't I? Surely we can't do that, can we? Be nice to each other? God forbid! Let's just take the easy road and pass some feel-good law, like banning guns or putting up more metal detectors or something like that.
Ask yourself, what do Paducah, Springfield, Columbine, and VaTech all REALLY have in common? Answer: ostracized loners whose lives had been tormented by bullies until they finally snapped in murderous rage.
Sometimes when I look at these tragic events, and the arguments that follow, I wonder if the gun control crowd really isn't fighting for the right to continue being cruel to their fellow humans without the threat of physical retribution. We've become such an impolite society...
Now... I am not saying that the victims deserved what they got. They didn't. What I am saying is that, in the controversy that is the aftermath of these events, there is always the murmur of "What could WE have done to prevent this?" I look at that question as silly because WE didn't cause this. However, if we must have that question, that is what WE could have done to prevent this. WE could stop being such assholes to each other.
But no no never mind... sorry I spoke out of turn, didn't I? Surely we can't do that, can we? Be nice to each other? God forbid! Let's just take the easy road and pass some feel-good law, like banning guns or putting up more metal detectors or something like that.
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Great point Vic, let's outlaw bullies!!!!
And BTW the glock is the official gun of the NYPD.
If we out law ALL hand guns criminals will go to shot guns, if we outlaw shot guns they will get rifles etc.
In the end the only people with guns will be the people who are willing to break the law anyway.
It's illegal for a felon to have a gun, but how many are caught each year with guns?
All I can add is thank God for CNN, Youtube and the NRA, we should see a lot more of nut cases trying this in the near future. Man, I think its time to get HiDeff tv for the gore.
PS. Maybe these were not military guns used "this" time, but still, why one can buy and own so many guns, shopping for them like you buy socks at Walmart, is just crazy and insane.
Like Woody Allen said in one of his movies, the NRA is an organization that defends people to have guns to kill citizens. Its like a public service. (something like that)
PS. Maybe these were not military guns used "this" time, but still, why one can buy and own so many guns, shopping for them like you buy socks at Walmart, is just crazy and insane.
Like Woody Allen said in one of his movies, the NRA is an organization that defends people to have guns to kill citizens. Its like a public service. (something like that)
theeedude
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There are plenty of laws that could have prevented this from happening. To think otherwise and do nothing is to make sure it will happen again. Whatever you think of gun control, there is no reason that a person who was evaluated by a psychiatrist to be a threat to himself should have been able to buy a gun. I can see if out of nowhere someone snapped and did this without warning, but there were plenty of warning signs and opportunities to prevent this if someone really cared to do it.
The mental health system in this country is a complete disgrace. It's almost impossible to institutionalize people who are a danger to themselves, unless they either agree to it, or declare that they are imminently going to kill someone, which most of them won't.
The mental health system in this country is a complete disgrace. It's almost impossible to institutionalize people who are a danger to themselves, unless they either agree to it, or declare that they are imminently going to kill someone, which most of them won't.
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Thought I would lend some tomfoolery to the topic, as ProfJohn et all have covered it pretty well.
Yes, because there certainly is no such thing as an illegally obtained firearm.
Thought I would lend some tomfoolery to the topic, as ProfJohn et all have covered it pretty well.
Yes, because there certainly is no such thing as an illegally obtained firearm.
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