There are so many illegal immigrants in the US because...

[darren]

Originally posted by: Aceshigh
U.S immigration policy is a joke.

The U.S is being invaded from the south, and nothing is being done to stop it. The current immigrants from Mexico have no desire to assimilate to America like generations of immigrants did in the past. They want to change America to suit them. And with the sheer numbers they possess, they are succeeding.

I am strongly for educated legal immigrants who want to come here and have a productive relationship with the United States.

I am strongly against these uneducated, unskilled, immigrants who offer nothing to this country.

Edit: And I know someone will come on here saying, but what would we do without them to take the jobs nobody else wants? Like landscaping and janitorial and things of that nature. Well there are plenty of people who will do those jobs, both American and immigrants from Asia and Africa who are known to be more upwardly mobile and less apt to exhibit criminal behavior than immigrants from latin america.

"less apt to exhibit criminal behavior than immigrants from latin america"

those criminal latin americans. roll;

 

[Analog]

because our borders are porous.

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: Rakkis
you know MichaelD, leaving aside your unjustified prejudice .... there are countries OTHER than mexico in which spanish is spoken.

It would also be good for you to know that the clinic you described cannot be "for hispanics only" as this would be against federal laws. private busineses can do this, but if the clinic did, they would lose their federal/state funding.

And FYI, Hispanics are not the only illegal immigrants to the US, let alone Mexican nationals. Why is your anger focused on this group alone?

After rereading my posts (I'm not going to change a word, though) it did come off semi harsh...that's OK. I'm well-aware that there are plenty of other immigrants to this country. I was focusing on the Mexicans b/c down here in South TX, that ethnic group encompasses 99.9999% of the total immigration population. When they get here (most times, illegally) they find out that they are the majority, that this city has more signs posted in Spanish than English and that the "worker base" here (i.e. the people in the supermarkets/garages/malls/Wendy's/etc) are Spanish, speak Spanish and of course treat them favorably, oftentimes going out of their way to assist them more than they assist the other customers, ie. myself or other non-Hispanic customer.

So, why should they learn to speak English? Everyone they need to deal w/on a daily basis speaks Spanish. How convenient.

Then they meet me and get reminded of where they are and where they aren't. For the record, I will go out of my way to help somebody who is TRYING to speak English. Maybe carrying one of those little phrase books or something. THey are TRYING and that is what matters. But if you come up to me w/an attitude b/c I don't speak your language, then we have a problem. I'm not some hick; I don't make fun of someone who speaks w/an accent. Half my relatives speak w/an accent but you know what? They learned the language. Enough to get by, but they learned.

Many, many times in my life, I have been the victim of discrimination myself. I grew up in a predominitely black neighborhood. Now I live in a mainly Hispanic city and see the same thing.

Case in point. About 8 years ago, I needed to get a second job. I was new to this city, but I figured "hey, I'm clean-cut, I can pass a urine screen, I have references, I have a car...I'm a shoe-in. I went to a Builder's Square (now defunct company) b/c they had a big-ass banner in the front window "Now Hiring - All Positions!"

I fill out an application and the girl behind the counter (Hispanic) says "you have to go speak to the manager." OK, fine. So I sit and wait. And wait. And wait. After about 30 minutes I said "excuse me, Miss? Is that the manager over there?" *points to Hispanic guy w/tie on that seemed to be giving orders*

She said yes. So I walk over to him, introduce myself and hold out my application for him to take. He looked at me (I was dressed appropriately) and said "I got no jobs for you." And walked away. I followed him and said, "Sir, you have a 10 x 20 foot banner in the front window that says "now hiring all positions" what about that. Know what he told me?

All the jobs have been filled. They were filled this morning. I have no job for you.

He then turned and walked away. I went out to my car to compose myself and walked back in to give him a piece of my mind. He was standing there talking with two Hispanic men a little younger than I. he had their apps in his hand and was all smiles to them. I walked over and said to the two men "don't waste your time, there are no jobs here" shot the guy a dirty look and walked away.

That was just the first of many situations similar to that I've experienced here. It's nothing new to me; I got the same thing at home where I grew up., except it was mostly people from the West Indies that gave me problems there.

This country is not what it used to be and it's our fault for letting proposals get voted into policy that have laxed immigration law to the point of hiliarity and uselessness.

If I could "marry" the Skoorbs just to get them residency here, I'd do it in a hearbeat.

That's all I'm gonna say in this thread. Have a good day.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
I don't get it.

you think it should be REALLY easy to immigrate?? why??
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Argh, reread first post.

I read your post the first time thru.

you think it should be really easto to immigrate why???

is that better??

Nowhere did I say it should be easy. I said that for most people now it's exceptionally hard.

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howitis

your an idiot


its an entire buisness on the border.

[/quote]What in the name of God are you talking about? While we're at it take a language class or five.

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Supertool

You are software guy, so you could get into the US on H1B visa. I think I am in the minority at work who didn't get in the States on H1B.
And yes, it's not easy to get legal entry into the US, but that doesn't justify doing it illegally. Just cus I can't make $1M, doesn't mean I can steal it.

As I mentioned although I could go on to an H1B (BTW good luck finding a company that will sponsor you for one these days), the second you lose your job unless you can find another one very quickly you lose the H1B and any sort of permanent residency you were striving for. Given that software is so insecure these days it's not a very realistic way of becoming a permanent resident for most people.

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American has a really tough stance on LEGAL immigration, but then seems to be totally lax in letting in hordes of illegal unskilled immigrants.

That's true. There are zillions of illegals in the US and those trying to do it legally face nothing but constant stress.

 

[IGBT]

Let em all in. Who cares. Let the tax payer pay for it all. And it cleans up the rest of the world by funneling all the dregs and crims to the US. Make the rest of the world a safer place.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: IGBT
Let em all in. Who cares. Let the tax payer pay for it all. And it cleans up the rest of the world by funneling all the dregs and crims to the US. Make the rest of the world a safer place.

Ignorant. You're confusing the problems that legal immigrants have with the problems of having illegal immigrants.

Edit: BTW, Skoorb, I can completely relate to what you are talking about. It seems that most of the responses here allude to the problems of illegal immigration and this blinds them to the problems legal immigrants have in trying to enter the country and be a positive contributor to the US.

 

[MinorityReport]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Do you realize that the average Mexican, for instance, has damn near no way to get into the US?

GOOD! Half their population is already here anyway as illegals taking advantage of STEALING my hard earned tax dollars. :|

Shut up, dude. You have no idea what you are talking about, as usual.

Shut up, dude. You have no idea what you are talking about, as usual.

Except I'm right. How are illegal immigrants taking your tax money?

Like I've said MANY times before (which you may not have seen). Have you ever been to the Verginia Garcia clinic in Cornelius? It's a hispanic-only medical clinic to provide medical support for those who need it -hispanic only- whether they have medical insurance or not. Whether they even have jobs or not. Whether they are legals or not.

And it's run 100% on tax dollars given by the Oregon and Federal Government which comes from ME.

So how the hell are the immigrants to be blameed?

It is the dammed government that supports such schemes on your tax money

Do something about it if you can, else stop complaning .. what use is it ?

 

[Tallgeese]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Unless you have somebody in the US you can marry

Hey man...if your missus can part with you for a few years, I'm bettin Gobadgrs would marry you!

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: TallGeese

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Unless you have somebody in the US you can marry

Hey man...if your missus can part with you for a few years, I'm bettin Gobadgrs would marry you!

Ohtwell already offered aves2k

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Hey MichaelD, did your ancestors learn Indian languages when they came to America?

 

[Tallgeese]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: TallGeese

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Unless you have somebody in the US you can marry

Hey man...if your missus can part with you for a few years, I'm bettin Gobadgrs would marry you!

Ohtwell already offered aves2k

Amanda is nothing if not generous.

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Hey MichaelD, did your ancestors learn Indian languages when they came to America?

Nope. They learned English. I've been very open about the fact that I am First-Generation American. My parents were boat people that learned the language as soon as they got here, registered for a SSN as soon as they got here, did their best to learn the culture and abide by it's rules as soon as they got here.

The only true Americans are Native American Indians.

There. That should diffuse most of your argument.

 

[MichaelD]

If you don't like the way progression works in the real world, I suggest you start building your wall in Montana. If it makes you happy, then why wait until you are overun by the looting, crazy hispanics on a crusade to take over America. OMG SCARY. That sounds ridiculous.

Why don't you talk to the farmers/landowners on THIS SIDE of the Rio Grande River about illegal immigrants illegally trespassing on their property, destroying and stealing their property on the way into the interior of the US? Ridiculous, huh? How about TRUE?

Four words:

Electrified

Twenty

Foot

Fence.


That solves most things.

 

[DanceMan]

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There. That should diffuse most of your argument.

Actually, it does not diffuse his argument at all. People are going to use the language that is easiest for them at the time, and only change it if necessary. Your ancestors didn't learn any Indian languages, because there was no economic reason for them to do so. They learned English because it was the only way for them to get a job or be a part of the economy.

However, with Spanish it's different now. There can be enough people in an area that speak Spanish so they can have an economic influence. They have business (or have business that cater to) spanish-speaking people. The businesses know that if they don't, the people will take their money somewhere else. This is even more so if they hire spanish-speaking workers.

Also, it was a little easier for your relatives to fit in, especially if they are European, they better fit into that melting-pot analogy. However, newer immigrants from Latin American and other countires can't easily assimilate, and therefore the communities are a little more closed. Now, if their communities get larger and larger, they have an economic impact, whether we like it or not.

Also, this economic impact was unfortunately felt by you when you were trying to get that job. The hispanics that worked at the place had the ability to have an economic impact, and so they probably discriminated against you. As any identified minority will tell you, discrimination like this happens all the time. What you may not be comfortable with is that you've not had to deal with it before based on the fact that you're not Hispanic.

So, if you don't learn how to speak Spanish and you live in an area which a large percentage of people speak Spanish, it's no different than if an immigrant comes to America and dosen't learn English. If you can sucessfully live without any problems, then fine. But don't be surprised if you find yourself where it can be difficult to have a job unless you know spanish, or try to go into a store and ask the salespersons a question and they can't answer you because they only speak Spanish. American's cultural fabric is changing, and changing quite radically this time. And if that really bothers you, then better gas up that car. It's a long way from Texas to Montana.

DanceMan

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It can't be done legally for the majority of people who want to move to the US. Do you realize that the average Mexican, for instance, has damn near no way to get into the US? Well you may not want the low skilled uneducated ones anyway, but even for people who are skilled and educated there are still few doors to legal entry into the US, at least these days.

For instance I, a computer software "guy", has for all intents and purposes no way to become a permanent resident of the US. Barring rare circumstances the only way I can become one is through MrsSkoorb, and the only way she can become one is by us ponying up thousands of dollars in immigration and lawyers fees.

Unless you're lucky enough to be working in a sought after field like a nurse (and don't even for a second think that becoming a permanent resident is easy for quick or cheap for somebody like that), you have to live years of uncertainty while your greencard process carries though. And it can be broadsided at any moment. Lose your job? Probably have to start again (after being forced to leave the US since you no longer have that job).

Unless you have somebody in the US you can marry chances are it's probably just not even worth bothering unless your home country is a piece of garbage (and you can try and claim refugee status or something similar). I can say with almost total certainty that if we weren't already so far through the process (when in actual fact we haven't even started it but that's something else entirely), we'd have never come down here. The US is nice, but you guys SERIOUSLY have to fix your totally fugged up immigration processes. For those from good countries it's often not worth the effort, and for those from crappy countries where it is worth the effort congrats, you just got another low skilled uneducated laborer (who probably has to come in illegally anyway).

Skoorb rant over.

If Canada would just become the 51st state then you'll automatically be a US citizen and can stay here as long as you like.

 

[Aceshigh]

I highly recommend people read "Alien Nation" by Peter Brimelow. And "The Death of the West" by Pat Buchanan.

These two books will help give you an insight to the problems we are facing. They should be required reading in school.

 

[waggy]

There is a company here in town that hire's nothing but illegal immigrants. About %99 of the workforce is mexican. Every 6-8 months they get busted and have to hire local legal workers (i was hired at 17 makeing $6 an hour higher then some floor managers) who then would get fired/laid off in favor of more mexicans.

im all for legal immigrants. heck even illegal if they learn english and actually work and pay taxes. But many around here get on welfare and housing. Every fast food place around here has mexicans working in them and very few white/black or asians. its sad when it is recommended that my younger sister-in-laws should learn spanish so they can get a job around here.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Aceshigh
I highly recommend people read "Alien Nation" by Peter Brimelow. And "The Death of the West" by Pat Buchanan.

These two books will help give you an insight to the problems we are facing. They should be required reading in school.

Pat Buchanan? Are you kidding me? Here's a man so full of open bigotry even the republicans didn't want him. Here's a man who praised Hitler. And you come in here and suggest reading a book written by this clown. Man you could learn more by reading Green Eggs and Ham then any book this joker wrote. LOL Pat Buchanan? Man Please

 

[Aceshigh]

Have you ever read his work and listened to the man without just spouting the stereotypical nonsense that people hold against him?

And please show me where he praised Hitler. Back up what you said. Please show me where he praised Hitler.

 

[Aceshigh]

And actually Buchanan chose to leave the republican party because he was getting zero support from the party leaders who were so concerned with pandering to the minority voters that they were afraid of a man who speaks the truth even when it isn't politically correct.

 

[Mavrick]

Originally posted by: sandorski
A few thoughts:
These points apply mainly to the Immigrant nations of the US and Canada.

Immigrants bring vigor, hard work ethic, and a fresh viewpoint influenced by the Idealism of the nation to which they emigrate to.

1) Vigor: Immigrants emigrate in order to start a fresh life. They arrive with the intention of making something of themselves and to acheive the life of those who live in their newfound nation.

2) Hard work ethic: In relation to point 1, in order to acheive their goals, immigrants work hard, very hard, this is especially true of illegal immigrants for they have little support in the country they illegaly emigrate to. Immigrants take sh1t jobs and they do these jobs with more dedication than what a born and raised resident would.

3) Fresh viewpoint/Idealism: Immigrants are not subject to the same cynicism that plagues multi-generational residents. Added to that, immigrants often enter the new nation with the Idealic concept of that nation, which is often long gone from the multi-generational residents of that nation. This innocence helps to refresh and re-invigorate the nation's Idealism.

Of course, since 9/11, the US and indirectly Canada are very much wary of Illegal immigration due to security concerns. However, the issue of immigration levels(mostly in the US but somewhat in Canada too) has been a concen for decades now.

I agree 100% with you. I don't know much people who come from another country, but I have a lot of friends who are second generation immigrants (mostly asians), and it always suprise me to see how their parents lived from the time they arrived in Canada. They mostly left their country, fleeing war, and now, after a lot of years of hard work, they are all pretty wealthy (more than most people at least). None of them depend or even use the welfare system (and God knows we have a big one here...).

Anyway, I also think that immigrating in the US should be easier, because I get my diploma in 2 years and I'd really like to come and work in the south!! Save a place for me!!