There are only two options.

[NoStateofMind]

Incorruptible, the sad fact is that implementing a pure free market will effect millions. Now think about that. Would you walk down the street pick a random home and pull and entire family out kill 1/3 of them and send the rest packing with nowhere to go and their currency worthless? Do you have THAT heart? That's effectively the result of what you're requesting. I'm sure 1/3 is conservative. The mass chaos that would ensue would be incomprehensible to our minds now. Lines for miles long for food. Grocery store shelves cleaned out. Gang's uprising everywhere for their own survival. I could go on and on. You really must ask yourself. Do you have THAT heart?

I came from the same mind of you. So upset at how underhanded and evil politicians were. Ron Paul offered hope. Someone who didn't just talk shit he fucking walked it. No doubt millions of people would prefer this. However you will have to sit down and think what its all worth. For me, its not worth putting people out of work, taking food out of their kids mouths or putting millions on the street who will be at the mercy of those with the most guns. I've come full circle. You will in time.

 

[Incorruptible]

Incorruptible, the sad fact is that implementing a pure free market will effect millions. Now think about that. Would you walk down the street pick a random home and pull and entire family out kill 1/3 of them and send the rest packing with nowhere to go and their currency worthless? Do you have THAT heart? That's effectively the result of what you're requesting. I'm sure 1/3 is conservative. The mass chaos that would ensue would be incomprehensible to our minds now. Lines for miles long for food. Grocery store shelves cleaned out. Gang's uprising everywhere for their own survival. I could go on and on. You really must ask yourself. Do you have THAT heart?

I came from the same mind of you. So upset at how underhanded and evil politicians were. Ron Paul offered hope. Someone who didn't just talk shit he fucking walked it. No doubt millions of people would prefer this. However you will have to sit down and think what its all worth. For me, its not worth putting people out of work, taking food out of their kids mouths or putting millions on the street who will be at the mercy of those with the most guns. I've come full circle. You will in time.

The comparison to murder is just ridiculous, the Free Market is the only way to fix the economy, government thinks they can fix the economy by stimulating it but that makes it worse and then government comes up with another way to fix the mes they created. There is some exaggeration of the consequences of the free market, there would be short term pain but then there would be prosperity.

As well you need to remember that by letting the government continue on this way the results would be even WORSE than the results of the Free Market. People must understand that government cant stimulate an economy, its not possible, if the banks weren't bailed the country would be in better shape than its in now.

And no I dont want to put people out of work but that's the only choice to ensure success for America, the country must swallow the tough medicine

 

[NoStateofMind]

The comparison to murder is just ridiculous, the Free Market is the only way to fix the economy, government thinks they can fix the economy by stimulating it but that makes it worse and then government comes up with another way to fix the mes they created. There is some exaggeration of the consequences of the free market, there would be short term pain but then there would be prosperity.

As well you need to remember that by letting the government continue on this way the results would be even WORSE than the results of the Free Market. People must understand that government cant stimulate an economy, its not possible, if the banks weren't bailed the country would be in better shape than its in now.

And no I dont want to put people out of work but that's the only choice to ensure success for America, the country must swallow the tough medicine

Just ignore the consequences. That'l show'em! Rock on.

 

[Incorruptible]

Just ignore the consequences. That'l show'em! Rock on.

Your wrong if you believe that government can fix this mess, it wont

 

[NoStateofMind]

Your wrong if you believe that government can fix this mess, it wont

I never said that and you are ignoring the consequences.

 

[Incorruptible]

I never said that and you are ignoring the consequences.

I'm not ignoring the consequences, there will be consequences but the consequences will be much more severe if we let the government continue on instead of the Free Market

 

[NoStateofMind]

I'm not ignoring the consequences, there will be consequences but the consequences will be much more severe if we let the government continue on instead of the Free Market

You know this puts millions out of work? Devalue all currency as it stands? Wipe shelves clear of food? Allow gangs to control our streets? You do know this results in chaos and loss of life?


(Do not deflect into "oh it will be worse later" crap cause thats all you have been doing. Confirm the above in your heart and realize it happens IMMEDIATELY after implementation.)

 

[Incorruptible]

You know this puts millions out of work? Devalue all currency as it stands? Wipe shelves clear of food? Allow gangs to control our streets? You do know this results in chaos and loss of life?


(Do not deflect into "oh it will be worse later" crap cause thats all you have been doing. Confirm the above in your heart and realize it happens IMMEDIATELY after implementation.)

Thats just fear mongering, the situation will get worse with government

 

[NoStateofMind]

Thats just fear mongering, the situation will get worse with government

Sidestepped again. That's okay I did the same some 4yrs ago. So I am no better than you now. However I have come to understand that society as it is is worth saving. You have yet to understand that.

 

[Incorruptible]

Sidestepped again. That's okay I did the same some 4yrs ago. So I am no better than you now. However I have come to understand that society as it is is worth saving. You have yet to understand that.

No your wrong, The free market is the only solution and you still haven't stated your solution of how to fix the economy

 

[Capt Caveman]

Deficit-funded government jobs to reduce unemployment but still very high private sector unemployment as well as high overall unemployment. Cycle continues, because people get more faith in government since it gave them unemployment relief.

A 1-4 year long depression with austerity. Unemployment peaks at 40%, but eventually goes down to 4% or less once the depression is over. The government abandons Keynesian and monetarist economics for all time to come.

Which option do you think is less painful?

My take is as follows:

It wouldn't have to come to this today if the government hadn't bailed the fucking banks out, if interest rates weren't reduced, and if spending hadn't been raised, but one of the two courses is going to have to be taken eventually. It's going to be a lot worse than it would've been if Bush/Obama had just allowed the market to correct itself 3 years ago. I've long been scared of the government and it's scaring me more and more each day.

I hate deficit spending, inflation, and high taxes.

Why? You don't work and live at home with your parents.

Yes, unemployment of 40% wouldn't lead to people coming to your house, killing you and your parents for everything you got. And of course, you have no proof that the country or economy would ever recover after the riots and killings that occur due to the high unemployment.

Think before you post.

 

[Anarchist420]

Yes, unemployment of 40% wouldn't lead to people coming to your house, killing you and your parents for everything you got. And of course, you have no proof that the country or economy would ever recover after the riots and killings that occur due to the high unemployment. Think before you post.

It seems like you missed the whole point of my OP. I realize that could happen. It could happen to anyone. In case you missed my point... we're going to have to suffer the long term pain of hyperinflation or have a short term sting of austerity.

 

[Capt Caveman]

It seems like you missed the whole point of my OP. I realize that could happen. It could happen to anyone. In case you missed my point... we're going to have to suffer the long term pain of hyperinflation or have a short term sting of austerity.

Yes, your whole point is based on nonsense. You talk a lot but provide no facts or anything. But let's make up shit b/c you have no sense of reality.

 

[Incorruptible]

Yes, your whole point is based on nonsense. You talk a lot but provide no facts or anything. But let's make up shit b/c you have no sense of reality.

This guy is speaking the truth though, only the free markets can fix the problem, obozo will just make it worse along with Romney

 

[Capt Caveman]

This guy is speaking the truth though, only the free markets can fix the problem, obozo will just make it worse along with Romney

And you would be incorrect, unfortunately, folks like yourself and the OP don't even understand the implications of a free market in a global economy.

 

[Incorruptible]

And you would be incorrect, unfortunately, folks like yourself and the OP don't even understand the implications of a free market in a global economy.

The only fool is you too stupid to understand that only capitalism can work and save the US but go ahead and let the country destroy itself

 

[Capt Caveman]

The only fool is you too stupid to understand that only capitalism can work and save the US but go ahead and let the country destroy itself

Need to insult me now? Again, please explain how the free market will save the US? It's the reason why no one cares what Ron Paul has to say b/c he doesn't grasp economics.

 

[Incorruptible]

Need to insult me now? Again, please explain how the free market will save the US? It's the reason why no one cares what Ron Paul has to say b/c he doesn't grasp economics.

I have already explained this many times earlier but people are too stupid to understand

 

[soulcougher73]

Well of those 2 "made up" choices only id take the 2nd one. Short term pain for long term gain. I guess we could find out how charitable the country really is.

 

[soulcougher73]

I have already explained this many times earlier but people are too stupid to understand

I know you are new here. But these people will wipe the floor with you. Brush up on knowledge and life and get back to us at a later time please.

 

[Incorruptible]

Yes, your whole point is based on nonsense. You talk a lot but provide no facts or anything. But let's make up shit b/c you have no sense of reality.

How is it nonsense, because you disagree with him, this guy speaks the truth

 

[Capt Caveman]

How is it nonsense, because you disagree with him, this guy speaks the truth

Wow. You're such a bad troll that you have to reply to my post twice. Sad.

 

[Incorruptible]

Wow. You're such a bad troll that you have to reply to my post twice. Sad.

But Im not a troll

 

[hal2kilo]

Speaking of trolling, I say take the blue pill.

 

[nextJin]

God why do you free market people post here and get slaughtered? Learn your history and goto mises.org and study up if your going to challenge some of the people here. Number one, free market thinkers understand something called the business cycle. Number two, Human Action is not predictable you can't base economics on a non constant which is what most people who are not for the free market do. Third, and this is a major one. It's all about certainty and unpredictability in the markets. Abolishing our current system and reverting back to gold would be a huge shock to the system even Paul realizes this. Abolishing all regulations would again send a huge shock through the system.

You do have two options 1) keep the current system in place preventing any sort of market predictability or 2) slowly transistion away and actually have predictability.

Anyone who brings up bubbles as old as the tulip crisis to challenge true free market principles needs to look at history post 1913. Even if we went 100% free market there would still be booms and busts, the difference is the correction would be quick and the people who actually lost would have lost instead of getting backed by government.