There are no homosexuals in Iran

[jonks]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
It's a clash of cultures. Are you going to force your laws upon us just because you think gays are not a threat to society?

If you hang them for being gay, then yep, we are. (Here we go!) Hitler claimed the jews were a threat to society. I suppose no one should have interfered there either. *ducks*

There is a difference between killing for being a jew and being a gay. You have a choice in the latter. Besides, you will have to kill more people if you decide to force your laws on us. Do you believe that anyone that believes that gays are a threat to society and should be hanged should be hanged?

I don't believe anyone should be killed for their beliefs. You want to believe gays are a threat to society and should be killed, go ahead and think it. But when governments enact those beliefs into mass murder of gays, then yes, they need to be stopped, by force if necessary. And no, we shouldn't hang them, we'd run out of rope. Bullets or bombs would be the preferred method I think. More expedient too.

And you can also think being gay is a choice, but that just reveals you as a relic of outdated thinking and willfully blind to all studies to the contrary. You also obviously don't know any gay people, certainly have no gay friends, and have never had a conversation with one because they would inform you they had no choice in the matter. You can think certain races are smarter/superior because of their skin color too if you like, that used to be a popular one, and still is in small sections of Alabama.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Auric
He did not say there are no homosexuals in Iran. He said they don't have them like those in the USA. i.e. openly gay, activist, parades, &c. Which is true. That may be because it is illegal and they would be executed but still, it is true. Unless he directly confirms he meant there are no homosexuals then I am not going to jump to that conclusion because it is what I want to hear so as to dismiss him as crazy and deflect from the real issues.

In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country. We don't have that in our country. In Iran we do not have this phenomenon. I don't know who's told you that we have it.

Here you go:
"Ahmadinejad later reiterated that he knows of no homosexuals in Iran - but wouldn't mind knowing where they are. "Give me an address so we are also aware of what happens in Iran," he said during a news conference after his speech."

http://www.nydailynews.com/new..._to_renounce_sata.html

 

[K1052]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09.../26iran.html?ref=world

lol....the predictable "Zionist Jew plot" coming forth now to explain the reception to Ahmadinejad at Columbia

 

[1EZduzit]

Mohsen Rezai, a former head of the Revolutionary Guards, denounced on the state-run news channel the inhospitable treatment of Mr. Ahmadinejad. ?He is the president of a country,? he said. ?It is shocking that a country that claims to be civilized treats him that way.?

Shocking I tell you, just shocking!! 😉

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Rangoric

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
There is a difference between killing for being a jew and being a gay. You have a choice in the latter.

I think you mean "Former".

Ah....Good 'ol Green Bean...so hilarious to read his posts.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Translation: "If you are gay and we find you, we kill you"

I have an idea....

Lets ignore Iran.

No more news articles, no more TV shows, no more threads.

Iran has to know if they ever nuked us or one of our allies, it would be a very bad day for them.

Suicide bombers know they are about to die. You think that stops fanatical zealots? Must not watch the news much...

 

[piasabird]

Warning:
Some of these sites are Pro-Gay lifestyle sites for Persia and Iranians

So dont go there if you are offended by such material.

However, since there are no Gays in Iran this should be impossible.

http://www.homanla.org/
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/187568.htm
http://gaylife.about.com/od/ga...gration/qt/gayiran.htm
http://www.iranfocus.com/modul...ticle.php?storyid=9214
http://www.pglo.net/
http://www.ukgaynews.org.uk/Archive/2005july/2101.htm
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2458/
http://www.tolerance.ca/Article.aspx?ID=671&L=fr

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
I think the humorous aspect to all of this is that the far right in America don't know quite what to say about the issue. They are entirely perplexed! After all, I'm sure a large number of them wish they could hang gays in America too! DOH!

Ironic, isn't it?

That said, the Sharia law against homosexuality - punishment of death - is just one more shining example of the inhumane nature of Sharia Law as a whole. Hence the reason why Sharia Law is not an acceptable option anywhere in the modern world.

Like when slavery was acceptable in America?

 

[Auric]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Auric
He did not say there are no homosexuals in Iran. He said they don't have them like those in the USA. i.e. openly gay, activist, parades, &c. Which is true. That may be because it is illegal and they would be executed but still, it is true. Unless he directly confirms he meant there are no homosexuals then I am not going to jump to that conclusion because it is what I want to hear so as to dismiss him as crazy and deflect from the real issues.

In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country. We don't have that in our country. In Iran we do not have this phenomenon. I don't know who's told you that we have it.

Here you go:
"Ahmadinejad later reiterated that he knows of no homosexuals in Iran - but wouldn't mind knowing where they are. "Give me an address so we are also aware of what happens in Iran," he said during a news conference after his speech."

http://www.nydailynews.com/new..._to_renounce_sata.html

Ja, saw that on the telescreen this morning. Despite his queer stance, I still don't consider it particularly worth more than a passing mention. The real significance is that he thought that such nonsensical state doublethink would be met with anything but laughter in most of the world. He is otherwise obviously intelligent and well spoken yet there is this disconnect with sound judgement. So, the implications are more disturbing.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74
I think the humorous aspect to all of this is that the far right in America don't know quite what to say about the issue. They are entirely perplexed! After all, I'm sure a large number of them wish they could hang gays in America too! DOH!

Ironic, isn't it?

That said, the Sharia law against homosexuality - punishment of death - is just one more shining example of the inhumane nature of Sharia Law as a whole. Hence the reason why Sharia Law is not an acceptable option anywhere in the modern world.

Like when slavery was acceptable in America?

wtf?

welcome back to the 21st century...

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
wtf?

welcome back to the 21st century...

Give him some time; he's suffering from some serious jetlag.

Originally posted by: Auric
Everyone tacitly agreed and did not interfere.

Em.....

By the time the final solution was being implemented, there was a world war raging: the UK was being pounded by airstrikes, France was out of the picture, and the USSR was fighting to reclaim ground. If that's tacitly agreed, then we must be using a different dictionary.

You could've made a better argument as to why the allies didn't bomb the train tracks or the camps themselves, but that's a whole different argument.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74
I think the humorous aspect to all of this is that the far right in America don't know quite what to say about the issue. They are entirely perplexed! After all, I'm sure a large number of them wish they could hang gays in America too! DOH!

Ironic, isn't it?

That said, the Sharia law against homosexuality - punishment of death - is just one more shining example of the inhumane nature of Sharia Law as a whole. Hence the reason why Sharia Law is not an acceptable option anywhere in the modern world.

Like when slavery was acceptable in America?

wtf?

welcome back to the 21st century...

I have interpreted his words to be a beatboxing version of "call me fucking daft" by the SAS rhythm platoon.

Iran is in need of a do over, let's send fab5 or something, in the meantime while they are busy, let's get the Talibans, let's get every each and one of them.

 

[DeeKnow]

Originally posted by: nick1985
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Wow...and some people still have faith in what this guy says? Let me guess, they are pursuing a peaceful nuclear program as well. :roll:

of course there are no gays in Iran.... they execute them, remember ????

 

[eits]

if nebor went to iran, it'd be a first for both parties....

1, nebor would realize that there's a world with actual people who have lives to worry about outside of the united states
2, they'd finally have a gay person in iran

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: DeeKnow

Originally posted by: nick1985
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Wow...and some people still have faith in what this guy says? Let me guess, they are pursuing a peaceful nuclear program as well. :roll:

of course there are no gays in Iran.... they execute them, remember ????

I wonder if they do the same in Saudi Arabia ? Ah who cares they are our "allies".

 

[beyoku]

This is not new. I have been to a few countries where they "Didnt Have" Homosexuals either. Even if you look you will not find them. And thats the point. They may exist, but you would never know looking through a western eye. They DONT have them "the way" America does.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: beyoku
This is not new. I have been to a few countries where they "Didnt Have" Homosexuals either. Even if you look you will not find them. And thats the point. They may exist, but you would never know looking through a western eye. They DONT have them "the way" America does.

because they'd be killed if they lived as they do in america. take away the death penalty and/or mere social ostracism and watch the sales of leather pants skyrocket

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Train
Of course theres no gays in Iran, have you tried wearing chaps in that heat? j/k

... I thought it was interesting he said "we dont have that phenomenon like the US" totally avoiding what he WOULD do if there were public gays in Iran.

I dont know how different the Iranian culture is, but I knew lots of Iraqi men who, by the way they acted around thier male friends, would be considered gay by most americans.

I also heard many of them say that sleeping with/and "pleasuring"(never asked specifics) was NOT considered gay, and many of them had done it. When I told out interpreter he would be considered gay in the US he looked surprised and said "men need lovin' too!", I always wondered what HE considered gay.

Like I said I never asked for specifics but I assume it could be similar to many African nations where a male is only considered gay if hes on the "receiving" end of male to male intercourse.

Train is basically onto the truth of the matter, I think. The Islamic world has a completely different attitude and methodology in its understanding of sexuality. The Christians pretty much made sex a dirty word, a disgusting practice that was good only for making more Christians and with that comes all the sickness that arises out of repressed sexuality. Mohamed brought the notion that sex is good, a God given pleasure to be enjoyed. It seems that in the ME people who enjoy same sex sex get married and live dual lives and that is perfectly accepted. A ME homosexual is not considered there to be a homosexual. The don't run out in the streets and march for gay pride. It seems that there it is perfectly normal to be homosexual in our understanding of that term so long as you don't define yourself in the way we use that term. It would seem that in some ways the ME has accommodated to homosexuality much better than we have. They do not seem to tolerate same sex forced rape of children. That can get you killed.

At any rate, the subject of homosexuality and the ME appears to be vastly more complex than simple thinkers want to see. It is never nice to be forced to think or find out that what one thinks one knows that appears complete is actually almost nothing at all.

Humility is not our thing, no?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Train
Of course theres no gays in Iran, have you tried wearing chaps in that heat? j/k

... I thought it was interesting he said "we dont have that phenomenon like the US" totally avoiding what he WOULD do if there were public gays in Iran.

I dont know how different the Iranian culture is, but I knew lots of Iraqi men who, by the way they acted around thier male friends, would be considered gay by most americans.

I also heard many of them say that sleeping with/and "pleasuring"(never asked specifics) was NOT considered gay, and many of them had done it. When I told out interpreter he would be considered gay in the US he looked surprised and said "men need lovin' too!", I always wondered what HE considered gay.

Like I said I never asked for specifics but I assume it could be similar to many African nations where a male is only considered gay if hes on the "receiving" end of male to male intercourse.

Train is basically onto the truth of the matter, I think. The Islamic world has a completely different attitude and methodology in its understanding of sexuality. The Christians pretty much made sex a dirty word, a disgusting practice that was good only for making more Christians and with that comes all the sickness that arises out of repressed sexuality. Mohamed brought the notion that sex is good, a God given pleasure to be enjoyed. It seems that in the ME people who enjoy same sex sex get married and live dual lives and that is perfectly accepted. A ME homosexual is not considered there to be a homosexual. The don't run out in the streets and march for gay pride. It seems that there it is perfectly normal to be homosexual in our understanding of that term so long as you don't define yourself in the way we use that term. It would seem that in some ways the ME has accommodated to homosexuality much better than we have. They do not seem to tolerate same sex forced rape of children. That can get you killed.

At any rate, the subject of homosexuality and the ME appears to be vastly more complex than simple thinkers want to see. It is never nice to be forced to think or find out that what one thinks one knows that appears complete is actually almost nothing at all.

Humility is not our thing, no?

Torturing gays is their thing, no?

http://www.gaymiddleeast.com/news/article72.html

 

[rpanic]

This guy is smart he waits for when nobody is looking.

http://johnsoncity.blogspot.com/Gay_Muslim.jpg

🙂

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Train
Of course theres no gays in Iran, have you tried wearing chaps in that heat? j/k

... I thought it was interesting he said "we dont have that phenomenon like the US" totally avoiding what he WOULD do if there were public gays in Iran.

I dont know how different the Iranian culture is, but I knew lots of Iraqi men who, by the way they acted around thier male friends, would be considered gay by most americans.

I also heard many of them say that sleeping with/and "pleasuring"(never asked specifics) was NOT considered gay, and many of them had done it. When I told out interpreter he would be considered gay in the US he looked surprised and said "men need lovin' too!", I always wondered what HE considered gay.

Like I said I never asked for specifics but I assume it could be similar to many African nations where a male is only considered gay if hes on the "receiving" end of male to male intercourse.

Train is basically onto the truth of the matter, I think. The Islamic world has a completely different attitude and methodology in its understanding of sexuality. The Christians pretty much made sex a dirty word, a disgusting practice that was good only for making more Christians and with that comes all the sickness that arises out of repressed sexuality. Mohamed brought the notion that sex is good, a God given pleasure to be enjoyed. It seems that in the ME people who enjoy same sex sex get married and live dual lives and that is perfectly accepted. A ME homosexual is not considered there to be a homosexual. The don't run out in the streets and march for gay pride. It seems that there it is perfectly normal to be homosexual in our understanding of that term so long as you don't define yourself in the way we use that term. It would seem that in some ways the ME has accommodated to homosexuality much better than we have. They do not seem to tolerate same sex forced rape of children. That can get you killed.

At any rate, the subject of homosexuality and the ME appears to be vastly more complex than simple thinkers want to see. It is never nice to be forced to think or find out that what one thinks one knows that appears complete is actually almost nothing at all.

Humility is not our thing, no?

Torturing gays is their thing, no?

http://www.gaymiddleeast.com/news/article72.html

I am sure you posted that to convey a message and express an emotional response. Can you clarify in your mind what it is you are trying to say. What do you feel and why?