Theism vs Atheism...IN PICTURES!

[HumblePie]

Nik, four corners of the earth is stated because back then everyone though the earth was flat and square shaped. Thus it had four corners. References in the past to four corners was basically a statement of "fact" by someone in that time frame. It has since become a figure of speech in modern terminology though.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Fantastic. ^_^

 

[Nik]

Nik, four corners of the earth is stated because back then everyone though the earth was flat and square shaped. Thus it had four corners. References in the past to four corners was basically a statement of "fact" by someone in that time frame. It has since become a figure of speech in modern terminology though.

Actually, the earth was thought to be round as early as the 200's.

Learned this from Dr.Pizza yesterday

We've been using "four corners" ever since and that still doesn't mean they thought the earth was flat -or even cared, for that matter. Have you read the original text, the original language, and studied what those specific words meant in a local or colloquial way to find out if they actually refer to a flat earth or are just used as a simple way to describe the farthest reaches of the planet from where they were at the time?

No, of course you haven't, because that doesn't fit your agenda and doesn't make for good .gifs.



Don't get me wrong, I'll line up with my pitch fork and torch to take my turn playing Beat The Christian, but if you're going to do it, don't look like a fucking moron on the process.

 

[totalnoob]

saiah 11:12 (since when does quarters of the earth mean the earth is flat?)

12 He will raise a banner for the nations
and gather the exiles of Israel;
he will assemble the scattered people of Judah
from the four quarters of the earth.

***Original KJV is "corners", not quarters..as in the corners of a 2D image. .

Luke 4:5 (how exactly does this mean the earth is flat?)
5The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world.

***So climbing a mountain can enable one to see 25,000+ miles of a curved surface at once? Awesome. Where exactly is this amazing vista?

Matthew 4:8 (again, how does this say the earth is flat?)
8Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.

***Ditto. It is impossible to see more than a few hundred miles from any height due to the curvature of the planet. Was every kingdom on the earth contained on a microscopic area of the planet?

You'd think a deity with infinite knowledge could have been a little less vague. Here is some more nonscientific garbage in the bible if you care to browse it.. http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/absurd.html

 

[ShawnD1]

lol wtf? I love it!

I'm saving all of these pictures. I know they'll come in handy some day.

 

[yllus]

I would like to purchase some of those Bible Advisory stickers.

 

[Nik]

12 He will raise a banner for the nations
and gather the exiles of Israel;
he will assemble the scattered people of Judah
from the four quarters of the earth.

***Original KJV is "corners", not quarters..as in the corners of a 2D image. .

Luke 4:5 (how exactly does this mean the earth is flat?)
5The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world.

***So climbing a mountain can enable one to see 25,000+ miles of a curved surface at once? Awesome. Where exactly is this amazing vista?

Matthew 4:8 (again, how does this say the earth is flat?)
8Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.

***Ditto. It is impossible to see more than a few hundred miles from any height due to the curvature of the planet. Was every kingdom on the earth contained on a microscopic area of the planet?

You'd think a deity with infinite knowledge could have been a little less vague. Here is some more nonscientific garbage in the bible if you care to browse it.. http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/absurd.html

The Bible wasn't written in English. Way to take dreams literally. Way to take an allegory and treat it as if it's a literal thing. Good job, you win the internet.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Actually, the earth was thought to be round as early as the 200's.

Learned this from Dr.Pizza yesterday

We've been using "four corners" ever since and that still doesn't mean they thought the earth was flat -or even cared, for that matter. Have you read the original text, the original language, and studied what those specific words meant in a local or colloquial way to find out if they actually refer to a flat earth or are just used as a simple way to describe the farthest reaches of the planet from where they were at the time?

No, of course you haven't, because that doesn't fit your agenda and doesn't make for good .gifs.



Don't get me wrong, I'll line up with my pitch fork and torch to take my turn playing Beat The Christian, but if you're going to do it, don't look like a fucking moron on the process.

Too bad then that it's from Revelations, from 200BC to 100AD, a good 100 years before it was known and a good 400 years + that before it was accepted by the interpreters of the Hebrew language.

 

[Nik]

Too bad then that it's from Revelations, from 200BC to 100AD, a good 100 years before it was known and a good 400 years + that before it was accepted by the interpreters of the Hebrew language.

Good thing the original wasn't written in English and wasn't translated to English for more than a thousand years, huh.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

The Bible wasn't written in English.

No but everyone who reads it today are reading it in English or a version translated from the KJV or NIV so it really doesn't matter when dealing with todays Christian movements.

It's universally accepted that even though Paul was a common thug who destroyed Jesus's own Church (Church of Jerusalem) and had his visions just like Mohammed, he's the authority of Jesus and so he's the dominant figure in the NT.

The original texts had both Marias diary and no mention of Paul what so ever, not John the Baptist either but they were scrambled together to make it into what it is today.

All in all, no one can EVER claim to have read the original texts because most of them were destroyed by the Romans a long time ago.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Good thing the original wasn't written in English and wasn't translated to English for more than a thousand years, huh.

Son, don't be daft, it was interpreted into Arameic from old Hebrew documents, changed and reinvented into Greek long before it even started to become a world religion.

After that the Romans AGAIN picked what they wanted, added and removed, added some more, changed through translation and that is probably the version you are talking about. (the latin version)

I'm talking about the first translation which is the earliest known to exist, it's 200AD, the first Bible is 830AD.

 

[Nik]

No but everyone who reads it today are reading it in English or a version translated from the KJV or NIV so it really doesn't matter when dealing with todays Christian movements.

It's universally accepted that even though Paul was a common thug who destroyed Jesus's own Church (Church of Jerusalem) and had his visions just like Mohammed, he's the authority of Jesus and so he's the dominant figure in the NT.

The original texts had both Marias diary and no mention of Paul what so ever, not John the Baptist either but they were scrambled together to make it into what it is today.

All in all, no one can EVER claim to have read the original texts because most of them were destroyed by the Romans a long time ago.

You aren't addressing any issue that I'm addressing.

You know damn well that I'm not talking about the original sheets of papyrus the scriptures were scribbled onto Nobody in their right mind would infer that, but I shouldn't be surprised because of where I'm posting. You idiots will split atom-sized hairs.

Read it in it's original language and understand multiple definitions of words. Those two little things change a lot about the Bible... (even though it's still a crock of shit)

 

[AstroManLuca]

 

[sdifox]

aahahahahahahahaha

what a moran.

 

[Nik]

Son, don't be daft, it was interpreted into Arameic from old Hebrew documents, changed and reinvented into Greek long before it even started to become a world religion.

And you're telling me that "four corners" is what the original writers MUST have meant, and that they MUST have been forcefully, purposefully implying that the earth is flat, that there can't possibly be a translational issue somewhere.

Oh, and LMFAO at you trying to educate me about the bible.

 

[halik]

The improper use of possessives totally makes it...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

You aren't addressing any issue that I'm addressing.

You know damn well that I'm not talking about the original sheets of papyrus the scriptures were scribbled onto Nobody in their right mind would infer that, but I shouldn't be surprised because of where I'm posting. You idiots will split atom-sized hairs.

Read it in it's original language and understand multiple definitions of words. Those two little things change a lot about the Bible... (even though it's still a crock of shit)

It's not available in it's original language ANYWHERE, it hasn't been available in it's original language since the Roman empire.

And again, it does NOT MATTER since the only version used today is the KJV and the NIV.

If you think that is hair splitting, then you know nothing of history or interpretation of the texts, i do, i was bloody well forced to just to understand the focus on certain things and that is why i had to leave the faith behind.

 

[Nik]

It's not available in it's original language ANYWHERE, it hasn't been available in it's original language since the Roman empire.

It wasn't just written in Hebrew originally. Many books were translated into other languages before the books were bound together in the tome we recognize today as the Bible, nubcake.

And again, it does NOT MATTER since the only version used today is the KJV and the NIV.

Neither one of those assertions is correct.

If you think that is hair splitting, then you know nothing of history or interpretation of the texts, i do, i was bloody well forced to just to understand the focus on certain things and that is why i had to leave the faith behind.

I went through seminary. You lose.

 

[geno]

more like this plz. hilarious.

Edit, found some :

 

[ShawnD1]

And you're telling me that "four corners" is what the original writers MUST have meant, and that they MUST have been forcefully, purposefully implying that the earth is flat, that there can't possibly be a translational issue somewhere.

Oh, and LMFAO at you trying to educate me about the bible.

The earth was believed to be flat. A common belief was that the earth was a flat and round disk. The bible explicitly says round, so I don't know why anyone would think it's square. It was also a popular belief that the earth had a dome covering it, the sky was blue because outer space was full of water, and rain was when water leaked through the firmament.

I actually like this idea because they at least attempted to explain things that they saw. The sky looks kinda similar to tropical water, so I guess the sky is water. It doesn't fall down because there must be glass or something holding it out. Sometimes water falls from the sky, so maybe the dome is leaking.

 

[geno]

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

And you're telling me that "four corners" is what the original writers MUST have meant, and that they MUST have been forcefully, purposefully implying that the earth is flat, that there can't possibly be a translational issue somewhere.

Oh, and LMFAO at you trying to educate me about the bible.

I give up, i've given you enough to search on, unfortunantly the proxy from where i am at (Afghanistan) does not allow me to do the search for you, but you have enough to educate yourself.

And yes, son, i don't believe you are more than a casual observer of some things that you read on this forum regarding the bible (you did just admit that in your earlier post) so excuse me while i continue to think that you are not an authority on the Bible.

 

[sdifox]

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

It wasn't just written in Hebrew originally. Many books were translated into other languages before the books were bound together in the tome we recognize today as the Bible, nubcake.

Neither one of those assertions is correct.



I went through seminary. You lose.

Well, i don't really want to win this game of indoctrination in "supposed truth" so ok.

You do realise that the KJV and the NIV are the only two versions used today apart from those who have added more like Mormons, right?

 

[sdifox]