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<< And &quot;Wide Track&quot; is a marketing gimmick. And as Tee pointed out, the Maxima is cheaper, faster, and better built. Having more HP and torque doesn't make a great car...

>>



um... the GTP is cheaper.. the GTP is faster.. and &quot;better built&quot; is your opinion.



<< People buying an S2000 do not cross shop Trans Ams. >>



whats your point? you show a japanese sports car, I show an american one thats cheaper and LOTS more powerful. thats what I said I would do.

there isn't a similar american car to the s2000, simply because american car companies are stupid enough to make low-powered totally torquless little bitty cheap 2 seaters that the avg american couldn't fit in.



 
let me put in my 2 cents:

Trans Am whoops an S2000 - hands down.
You can't get get the S2000 for MSRP, dealer markup is ridiculous.

Now, Maxmima 2001 vs. Grand Prix GTP

Close, very close matchup. 222HP vs. 240HP (Supercharged)
I have driven the Grand Prix and was definitely impressed. However, there is a definite LAG from the supercharger
and no stick is available. The Maxima has a much smoother engine and comes in stick. I would take
the Maxima SE. The interior in the Maxima is much nicer too.

The old SHO with the Yamaha engine was the closest the US carmakers came to a real sports sedan.
 
I usually ignore these American vs Japanese car threads...but someone brought the Maxima into it and Valhalla1 unfairly badmouthed it.

Now first off, let me say that I'm a Maxima fanatic and frequent their forums and lurked over threads between GTP and Maxima owners.

NFS4: You said that the Maxima will smoke the GTP. That is not true..usually the GTP would win (it would be close)..however if you have an decent driver driving a 5-spd Maxima..then the Max would win. An auto Max would lose to the GTP in a straight line race.

Valhalla1: The wide track in the GrandPrix is marketing BS. Hell, the Buicks/Olds are wider than the GrandPrix and that don't make them (Buick/Olds) good handlers. The Maxima will outhandle the GTP. And don't forget you are talking about a SC 3.8 V6 in a car that has horrendous torque steer (ask any GTP owners) with shabby build quality compared to a NA 3L V6 that has better handling and a more elegant and quiet interior.

Also Valhalla1, just don't look at the hp numbers..look at how the engine delivers the power. The V6 in the Maxima has a nearly flat torque curve usually reserved for V8s. And it's a damn smooth engine too that pulls all the way to redline. The 3.8L V6 in the GTP stops pulling after 5K RPMs and the SC starts to work its magic at around 2500-3000RPMs. If your gonna look at the numbers, then you'll think the Hyundai XG300 (with 200hp) would seem fast..but it ain't.

About 1/4 times..there are two drivers who have gotten the 4th gen Maxima to do the 1/4mi in 14.4s with only intake/exhaust mods. It was all motor..also these two were AMAZING drivers. Usual 1/4 times are in the high 14s (14.8s) to low 15s (15.1-15.3) depending on driver and location of the track.

Both are good cars, but the Maxima seems to have the edge in terms of overall ownability while the GTP just has the edge in raw power. It depends on the prospective buyers on what they want. Just try to test drive a 5spd Maxima and tell me it doesn't change your mind about Japanese sedans.

btw, Valhalla1...buy an older (95-99) Maxima <take advantage of their low resale value> and slap a $3K SC kit on it. You got yourself making 280hp at the wheels and prolly ~310hp at the flywheel. That'll smoke the GTP, be cheaper than a brand new GTP, and still have better build quality.

Back to topic:: the Z06 is an excellent machine..and so are the late 80s Trans-Am...oh how I want one soo badly..and in black only please!
 
<<there isn't a similar american car to the s2000, simply because american car companies are stupid enough to make low-powered totally torquless little bitty cheap 2 seaters that the avg american couldn't fit in.>>

haha, so true 🙂
 
mAdD, what I meant is, if a Maxima 5-speed and GTP were taken to a roadcourse, the GTP would be handed its ass on a silver platter.
 
mad indian.. you are much more qualified to make those calls than me, I don't really care much about economy cars and family cars, so I don't study up much.. I just pulled an american coupe/sedan out of midair with the GTP, and it turns out it is faster than the Maxima stock for stock, with much more torque, more fuel efficiency, and is cheaper.

I don't honestly know how it handles, but who's going to be doing slaloms in 5 oclock traffic? anyway, I dont know how this thread turned from praising a world class american beast of a car, the Corvette Z06, into an american vs japan ecnonobox war, something I really don't want any part of
 
I have to get in on this. Regardless of my thoughts on the Z06 (i love it), I can't take anything Valhalla says seriously ever since he called the Audi S4 a &quot;POS family sedan crapper&quot;.

Madd Indian pretty much debunked all of Valhalla's points. Good job.
 


<< what I meant is... >>



famous words of many argument losers with their foot stuck in their mouth.. 😛

and I think it would be a lot closer than you think.. the more powerful GTP would make up for the slight handling difference, if there is at all.. I've yet to see documented proof of how much better the Maxima is, but honestly, I don't really care either way.. I'd take a Z28 Camaro for the price and shove my foot up either one's ass with my 350 horses.
 
aiight..but then don't bad mouth the Maxima if you don't know much about it. You looked at the numbers and dissed it. That's why I wrote that reply. I'm not flaming you or anything..just research a bit before you make a statement.

I got respect for American V8s..I love the Trans-Am..although I like the older ones better than the new body shapes (looks way to bubbly for me).

 


<< ), I can't take anything Valhalla says seriously ever since he called the Audi S4 a &quot;POS family sedan crapper&quot;. >>



I have to ask you to show me the thread where I said those exact words. misquotes are not to be taken lightly.

nonetheless, the S4 is a family sedan.. I love the quote on the audi page - &quot;the S4's 250 hp V6 emulates the oomph of a V8. &quot;

haha... no thanks. I'll take the real thing, emulators suck. 😛

and 250hp ain't squat
 


<< anyway, I
dont know how this thread turned from praising a world class american beast of a car, the Corvette Z06, into an american vs japan ecnonobox
war,something I really don't want any part of >>


Your comment got me back into this thread:


<< oh really?

well heres my joke - Japanese cars are slow rice burning pieces of sh!t that couldn't hold a candle to
american muscle any day of the
week..anyone who thinks different is just trying to defend the slow
econo junk their daddy bought for them when they know its a piece.


don't get upset. its just a joke. all japanese cars are jokes. >>


Don't start nuthin, won't be nuthin 😉
 
Valhalla,

With regards to sports sedans, the American car makers aint got sh!t on the European and Japanese.
American's are the leaders in low cost sports car performance. i.e, Z28, Trans Am, Vette.


 
Valhalla1..instead of trying to find documented sources..try driving one..that is if your really interested..other wise don't say one is better than the other.

Also when you weave in traffic, its like slaloming.

and another note, the Maxima is a proven SCCA autocross car. It has beaten a Integra Type-R once..it was in the magazine where they tested a JWT Turbo Maxima (which was a garbage car..the turbo didn't have much gains.) The Maxima usually does win its class <in SCCA>.

Truimph: thanks..=)

oh and by the way..any stock (95+) Maxima (auto or 5spd) will outhandle and out-accelerate any stock V6 F-body..that includes your car Valhalla1...plus it has room for 4 other passengers.
 


<< Don't start nuthin, won't be nuthin >>




obviously you missed the &quot;joke&quot; part, as well as the very next reply that said the above thread was a joke.

also you missed the one before that, that said all american cars are junk.

thank you please drive thru
 
well slalom all you like in a nissan..

but if I stomp it from a dead stop and I'm greeted with 150ft-lbs of torque, I'm not ever going to be happy, no matter how good it handles
 
But coming from you, it is NOT a joke no matter what kind of disclaimers you throw up.

From reading your comments in other threads, those ARE your feelings.

Thank you, come again😉
 
sorry, was referring to the s2000, the nissan has 217 I believe.. a little more respectible, but not the kind of car that I like.. but obviously you do, so go for it.

I'm tired of this, its always the same old thing.. all people care about are japanese torque-less, low horsepower, 4-door ugly boxy econocar, whiney V6's and 4-bangers.. what has this world come to.

America is the land of powerful torquey high horsepower loud rumbling satisfying V8's..
 
Me unashamedly gives a thumbs up to a Ford! (Ford lover here! 🙂)
Ford Falcon AU Coupe, 5.4 Litre V8, 310kW!!!!!!! YEEHAA!!! /me *drools* does low 12 seconds on the quarter mile...Now bring on the Japanese cars!!!!!! 🙂 Heck, it's even quicker than the 300kW Gen III 5.7 Litre VT HSV Clubsport! I guess Australian cars rule!! 😉
 
Name me any torqueless Japanese V6?? The Camry V6 has 200lb/ft, the Accord V6 is similar..the only torqueless items are the 4cyl..and I agree with you wholeheartedly about them...well except for the new QE25DE (in the new Sentra SER) which has 180lb/ft for a 4cyl..not bad eh..has only 10lb/ft less torque then a Chevy V6 Malibu yet more hp than it. 180hp for Sentra and 170hp for Malibu.

Those Japenese 4cyl econo cars arent meant to compete agaist your Camaro. They are meant for ppl wh don't give a sh!t about hteir car's performance..they just wanna get from point A to point B..which is great.

You seem to have th wrong idea about us. We aren't saying that the Civics are better than your Camaro. We are just trying to get you to see through your curtain of hatred for Japanese cars. Look at the facts..dont just loo a the wimpy 115hp of a Honda 4cyl and compare everything against it. Why not look at the 180hp &amp; 180 lb/ft of the Senta's 4cyl which will probably kill the V6 F-bodies in a race.
 
200ft-lbs isn't all that in the land of 405ft-lb Z06's and 500ft-lb Vipers..

the problem is, people are trying to put souped-up body-kitted Civics against American V8's.. every day in off-topic you'll read about people hopping up japanese 6cyl's and calling them &quot;camaro killers&quot; and &quot;mustang killers&quot;. some even have the balls to say they'll beat Vette's.

the other thing is, this goes both ways.. I immediately dismiss a japanese car because its weak and feeble, you dismiss all american cars instantly because of this intangible &quot;thing&quot; of build quality..

and you all immediately dismiss all american cars as having $2.95 interiors like a Cavalier or something.

I've sat in plenty of Corvettes, and I plan on buying one. I simply melt in the interior of a Corvette. I am awe-struck.. I couldn't speak if I tried. I am reduced to a grinning lump of flesh with a hard-on surrounded by such power, grace, and ominence.

I sit in a Civic or Accord, and its &quot;just another economy car&quot;. 🙁

 
Jesus Valhalla, why don't you drop your bias and go take a Maxima on a test drive? Beat the living hell out of it. Get a young sales rep who will let you lite it up.

I'm not gonna say the Corvette line isn't impressive, but in the field its competing in, its not top dog. If you want to call it a supercar, be prepared to have dinky 6cyls come and whoop its ass (Porsche 911 Turbo)

I find it hard to believe that you refuse to accept that imports can compete with domestics.
 
nah, sorry.. won't be driving a japanese car. 😛


if anyone had read the &quot;name your first car&quot; thread, you'd understand why I will never ever ever have a japanese car.


I don't care if the tables completely turned and the japanese started making high hp V8's and the americans made puny V6's, I'd buy used American V8's

 
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