The young kid on the Pistons?

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: digitalsm
He'll be an excellent player in a few years.

He's going to suck forever. Look, Dirk averaged like 30 points a game for his European team. Same with Peja. These guys were stars in Europe. Darko didn't score double digits.

Everyone said the same crap w/ Tskitishvilli and he's HORRIBLE. Even if you are raw and young you don't do some of the retarded things I've seen Darko do.

to Detroit's credit, they have one of the top European scouts in the NBA.

i forget his name, but he found gems like Mehmet Okur and Rebracca when no one had even heard of him. now Okur will be a sought after free agent and Rebracca will be a solid backup PF/C.

anyways, Joe Dumars has shown that he will cut his loses quickly if draft picks or players aren't what he expected (Rodney White, Mateen Cleaves, etc). i expect Dumars to do the same if Darko doesn't show the signs that the Pistons expect.

I'm not a fan of Okur either although he did some good things in the series. Joe Dumars does know though...Rodney White is going to get signed by some other team and score 18-20 a game next year..just watch.

There's this stat that no one talks about in the NBA. It's called points per 48 minutes. Last year Randolph was in the top 10 and didnt' get much time and he was an allstar this year. If you look at the top points per 48 minutes Rodney White is in there. The other guys in the top 25 points per 48 minutes are all all stars and great players. As soon as the guys who score a lot in the minutes they're on the court get playing time they become all stars. There was one game vs Houston the Nuggets are down 10, Rodney White hits 2 3's in a row and then dunks on Yao. All in a 2 minute span to bring them back.

The Nuggets are retarded though...they'll let him go. He was our 3rd best player this year behind Carmelo and Camby.

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: virtuamike

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: virtuamike
Dirk only averaged 8.2 PPG his rookie year, look at him now.

They drafted Darko on potential. Unlike Melo and LJ, the Pistons are good enough that they have the luxury of waiting for him to develop, they didn't need a rookie to come in and immediately contribute.

Right...but he was a star in Europe. He averaged 30 for his European team. Darko can't score 10 a game in Europe.

But Dirk was 2 years older than Darko when he was drafted. Give him time, hell he's only 18.

He's only 18 but I've seen plenty of 18 year olds go to the NBA that didn't get rejected twice in a row, go up again, get fouled then shoot 1 free throw short, then proceed to airball the next one. Not to mention all the times he loses the ball or shoots a shot off the backboard or misses a wide open dunk.

If you're as good as they say you are it doesn't matter how old you are. You're not going to make that many stupid mistakes all the time. He reminds me of watching Tkistishvilli...only he's worse.

 

[gunblade]

He looked really bad in last night game though. He was playing like it didn't matter to him. His only chance to score came and went when he couldn't even hit close to the rim in his two free throw attempt. He was day dreaming when the ball got stolen.

All in all, he totally sucked in the game now and hadn't justify the number 2 pick. When Yao Ming came to the league, he at least showed potential and did something that showed he cared for the game.

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: gunblade
He looked really bad in last night game though. He was playing like it didn't matter to him. His only chance to score came and went when he couldn't even hit close to the rim in his two free throw attempt. He was day dreaming when the ball got stolen.

All in all, he totally sucked in the game now and hadn't justify the number 2 pick. When Yao Ming came to the league, he at least showed potential and did something that showed he cared for the game.

Yao was clumsy...and pretty terrible at times. But you're right, he showed potential. I haven't seen a good play by Darko yet. Now, I don't watch many Detroit games but the few I caught here and there he did absolutely nothing right. Darko is horrible all the time. I guess it does make a difference when you don't get much playing time though.

I know I know, some of you might say but he's nervous. By the 10th game when all you play is garbage minutes in victories you should -not- be nervous.

 

[gunblade]

Btw , was Yao Ming 19 when he came to the league?

 

[virtuamike]

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: virtuamike

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: virtuamike
Dirk only averaged 8.2 PPG his rookie year, look at him now.

They drafted Darko on potential. Unlike Melo and LJ, the Pistons are good enough that they have the luxury of waiting for him to develop, they didn't need a rookie to come in and immediately contribute.

Right...but he was a star in Europe. He averaged 30 for his European team. Darko can't score 10 a game in Europe.

But Dirk was 2 years older than Darko when he was drafted. Give him time, hell he's only 18.

He's only 18 but I've seen plenty of 18 year olds go to the NBA that didn't get rejected twice in a row, go up again, get fouled then shoot 1 free throw short, then proceed to airball the next one. Not to mention all the times he loses the ball or shoots a shot off the backboard or misses a wide open dunk.

If you're as good as they say you are it doesn't matter how old you are. You're not going to make that many stupid mistakes all the time. He reminds me of watching Tkistishvilli...only he's worse.

No one evaluates a player's potential or skill during garbage time. Prince made a name for himself because of his playoff performance last year, ditto with Walton this year. Should revisit this issue when Darko actually gets meaningful minutes in a game.

 

[iamme]

while there is no concrete evidence that Darko will be good or a bust, he does have all the necessary tools in place to become a good player.

- he's on a championship team, so there's no pressure to produce right away. from the very beginning everyone in the Piston's organization has said that Darko will be ready in 2-3 years. the Pistons can make serious runs for the title during those years. and then Darko might be a legit center. the future's bright for the Pistons.

- he gets to battle guys like Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace, Elden Campbell, and Mehmet Okur everyday in practice. that's will definitely keep him sharp. there have been articles that talk about how he was banged around during the first week of practice. his head would be down and it looked like he would lose confidence. fast forward months later and Darko is the one banging and not backing down from anyone.

- he's got a coach who, while he doesn't tend to play rookies, loves to teach. he has gotten nearly every player on the Pistons to expand their games and i know that he's helping Darko do the same.

- Mehmet leaving for free agency might be a blessing in disguise, as it will open up more minutes for Darko.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: gunblade
He looked really bad in last night game though. He was playing like it didn't matter to him. His only chance to score came and went when he couldn't even hit close to the rim in his two free throw attempt. He was day dreaming when the ball got stolen.

All in all, he totally sucked in the game now and hadn't justify the number 2 pick. When Yao Ming came to the league, he at least showed potential and did something that showed he cared for the game.

Yao was clumsy...and pretty terrible at times. But you're right, he showed potential. I haven't seen a good play by Darko yet. Now, I don't watch many Detroit games but the few I caught here and there he did absolutely nothing right. Darko is horrible all the time. I guess it does make a difference when you don't get much playing time though.

I know I know, some of you might say but he's nervous. By the 10th game when all you play is garbage minutes in victories you should -not- be nervous.

well, whenever there is a "Darko opportunity", the entire crowd (even on the road a few times) starts chanting "Darko! Darko!" i'd say that could make a kid nervous.

 

[FuZoR]

don't make fun of DARKO!!!

he owns!

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: virtuamike

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: virtuamike

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: virtuamike
Dirk only averaged 8.2 PPG his rookie year, look at him now.

They drafted Darko on potential. Unlike Melo and LJ, the Pistons are good enough that they have the luxury of waiting for him to develop, they didn't need a rookie to come in and immediately contribute.

Right...but he was a star in Europe. He averaged 30 for his European team. Darko can't score 10 a game in Europe.

But Dirk was 2 years older than Darko when he was drafted. Give him time, hell he's only 18.

He's only 18 but I've seen plenty of 18 year olds go to the NBA that didn't get rejected twice in a row, go up again, get fouled then shoot 1 free throw short, then proceed to airball the next one. Not to mention all the times he loses the ball or shoots a shot off the backboard or misses a wide open dunk.

If you're as good as they say you are it doesn't matter how old you are. You're not going to make that many stupid mistakes all the time. He reminds me of watching Tkistishvilli...only he's worse.

No one evaluates a player's potential or skill during garbage time. Prince made a name for himself because of his playoff performance last year, ditto with Walton this year. Should revisit this issue when Darko actually gets meaningful minutes in a game.

Walton also is horrible. I'll admit it though, everything I ever said bad about Prince I take back. He still sucked during the regular season and he's never going to be an awesome player but he does lots of really awesome things and plays great team basketball. Up until the finals I was like imagine the Pistons with Anthony....now I think they'd be worse with Anthony.

 

[virtuamike]

Originally posted by: gunblade
He looked really bad in last night game though. He was playing like it didn't matter to him. His only chance to score came and went when he couldn't even hit close to the rim in his two free throw attempt. He was day dreaming when the ball got stolen.

All in all, he totally sucked in the game now and hadn't justify the number 2 pick. When Yao Ming came to the league, he at least showed potential and did something that showed he cared for the game.

Yao played every game. He only showed potential because you got to see him all the time. Compared to Yao's 82 games, Darko this year played 159 minutes. Are you seriously going to evaluate a guy that's played less than 3 hours?

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: virtuamike

Originally posted by: gunblade
He looked really bad in last night game though. He was playing like it didn't matter to him. His only chance to score came and went when he couldn't even hit close to the rim in his two free throw attempt. He was day dreaming when the ball got stolen.

All in all, he totally sucked in the game now and hadn't justify the number 2 pick. When Yao Ming came to the league, he at least showed potential and did something that showed he cared for the game.

Yao played every game. He only showed potential because you got to see him all the time. Compared to Yao's 82 games, Darko this year played 159 minutes. Are you seriously going to evaluate a guy that's played less than 3 hours?

btw, i don't know if it was mentioned above, but Darko broke his hand from a Brian Cook hack.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: virtuamike
Dirk only averaged 8.2 PPG his rookie year, look at him now.

They drafted Darko on potential. Unlike Melo and LJ, the Pistons are good enough that they have the luxury of waiting for him to develop, they didn't need a rookie to come in and immediately contribute.

Right...but he was a star in Europe. He averaged 30 for his European team. Darko can't score 10 a game in Europe.

lol you are stupid
dirk didn't score 30 points a game when he was 18.
lol you are stupid

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: Xiety

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: virtuamike
Dirk only averaged 8.2 PPG his rookie year, look at him now.

They drafted Darko on potential. Unlike Melo and LJ, the Pistons are good enough that they have the luxury of waiting for him to develop, they didn't need a rookie to come in and immediately contribute.

Right...but he was a star in Europe. He averaged 30 for his European team. Darko can't score 10 a game in Europe.

lol you are stupid
dirk didn't score 30 points a game when he was 18.
lol you are stupid

I exaggerated a little. I think he scored over 20 when he was 20. The point is he was good on his European team...Darko was horrible on his European team. I bet if you looked at Dirk when he was 18 on his European team he was scoring at least 14 or 15. Age or not if you have skills you have skills and it's apparent.

 

[Playmaker]

The fact is, the 2003 draft was guard heavy at the top. It was either Darko or Bosh for Detroit for obvious reasons. Hindsight being what it is, Bosh may have been a better choice from how things look currently, but saying Darko doesn't have potential is crazy. I'm not about to make any judgment on Darko until he has at least another season, maybe 2, under his belt.

One thing I will say, though, is that I've read numerous times that he has played well against Wallace, Wallace, Campbell, etc. in practice. He clearly didn't care at the end of that game on Tuesday, so you can't really judge anything from that. Not caring is a problem in itself, though. Hopefully he gets things together, as he has the base to be a great player.