The Worst-Run Big City in the U.S.

[AAjax]

money doesn't make you smart.

qft

 

[CycloWizard]

the problems intrinsic to many of my ideals? You're just inventing things for me to think, and the thing is that you're even failing to knock down your own invented opponent by resorting to hilarious hyperbole. Merit isn't even a consideration in the hiring/firing scheme. Suuuuuuure it isn't.

rtfa.

 

[Vic]

Again. Typical. Vic resorting to name calling.

How is a CITY policy that is DIRECTLY responsible for the murder of an entire family not related to why the city might be "the worst run big city in the US" per the article?

As usual, you resort to having no argument whatsoever besides whining. Such a childish sense of entitlement you have!

*psst* I'm not defending SF, troll, you just want me to in order to troll your own off-topic agenda.

 

[Patranus]

To clarify, you didn't point out AN example, you said it was the ONLY example (i.e. "the only victims of San Francisco... "). And your was completely unrelated to the anything in the OP's article. Plus, there's something ridiculous about self-proclaimed 'small govt' conservatives railing against 'illegal' immigration. "Ihre Papiere bitte!"

"the only" is a common locution. Stop attacking me on semantics and address the actual issue. This happened IN San Francisco because of a CITY policy. It has nothing to do with "conservatives railing against illegal immigration. The city willingly violated state and federal law. I would say any city that does this is probably one of the "worst run" cities.

 

[Patranus]

As usual, you resort to having no argument whatsoever besides whining. Such a childish sense of entitlement you have!

*psst* I'm not defending SF, troll, you just want me to in order to troll your own off-topic agenda.

Your the one that replied to my post simply by calling me a name.

 

[Vic]

"the only" is a common locution. Stop attacking me on semantics and address the actual issue. This happened IN San Francisco because of a CITY policy. It has nothing to do with "conservatives railing against illegal immigration. The city willingly violated state and federal law. I would say any city that does this is probably one of the "worst run" cities.

The actual issue is something you're trying very hard not to address in this thread, most likely because you didn't bother to read the OP's article, which contained not one word about your immigration agenda. Your exuse for not readiing is "TL;DR" we can only assume, but we all know is because you're lazy and entitled...

 

[Vic]

Your the one that replied to my post simply by calling me a name.

Ahh.... someone call the WAHmbulance!

 

[Patranus]

The actual issue is something you're trying very hard not to address in this thread, most likely because you didn't bother to read the OP's article, which contained not one word about your immigration agenda. Your exuse for not readiing is "TL;DR" we can only assume, but we all know is because you're lazy and entitled...

So now I have an agenda? I see.
Well, I was simply providing another example of a failed San Francisco policy that has lead many to be upset at the city government (according to local newspapers) but I guess I cannot bring in outside evidence to support the article.

I guess I can only read one source and come to a conclusion.
I guess critical thinking is frowned upon.

 

[Vic]

Interesting article on the fallacies of a hyperdemocracy with an uninformed populace.

Just in case anyone might be confused about my opinion of the OP's article, for those who actually bothered to read it, of course.

 

[Vic]

So now I have an agenda? I see.
Well, I was simply providing another example of a failed San Francisco policy that has lead many to be upset at the city government (according to local newspapers) but I guess I cannot bring in outside evidence to support the article.

I guess I can only read one source and come to a conclusion.
I guess critical thinking is frowned upon.

Since when did you get the idea that you think critically? That's some Tyrone Biggums quality shit you been smoking!

Newsflash, you don't think critically. All you ever do here is post your spoonfed talking points du jour. Then whine like you have some kind of right to be moron.

RTFA or STFU.

And obviously you have an agenda, why else would you have trolled your anti-immigration rhetoric in this thread when it had nothing to do with the OP besides they both contain the words "San Francisco"??

 

[Patranus]

Since when did you get the idea that you think critically? That's some Tyrone Biggums quality shit you been smoking!

Newsflash, you don't think critically. All you ever do here is post your spoonfed talking points du jour. Then whine like you have some kind of right to be moron.

RTFA or STFU.

And obviously you have an agenda, why else would you have trolled your anti-immigration rhetoric in this thread when it had nothing to do with the OP besides they both contain the words "San Francisco"??

The basis of the article is essentially that San Francisco has enacted policies that sound good but simply do not work.

The sanctuary city policy an example of such a policy. It sounds good until to leads to the assassination of an entire family on their way home from a family BBQ because a criminal illegal immigrant (I know, its redundant) was shielded by the city (via a program that sounded good, but simply didn't work).

If you cannot see how this is relevant to the article than, well, I am not going to lower myself to your level and resort to name calling.

 

[Vic]

The basis of the article is essentially that San Francisco has enacted policies that sound good but simply do not work.

The sanctuary city policy an example of such a policy. It sounds good until to leads to the assassination of an entire family on their way home from a family BBQ because a criminal illegal immigrant (I know, its redundant) was shielded by the city (via a program that sounded good, but simply didn't work).

If you cannot see how this is relevant to the article than, well, I am not going to lower myself to your level and resort to name calling.

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"



Seriously, quit trolling. If you want to discuss this particular incident you've such a hard on about, create your own thread about it.

In the meantime, though, your posts in this thread are an interesting case study in how right wingnuts are equally infected by the disease of irresponsible uneducated democracy that the article was discussing. You didn't read the OP and you have no fucking clue what you're talking about, and no knowledge of civics or political theory whatsoever, but by GOD you've got some random anecdote that you think might be on topic, and that means your agenda is the right one!

Seriously, uninformed people like you, right and left, are everything that is wrong with politics in this country. I mean, who doesn't like the frail and the elderly? Who doesn't like families not getting murdered?

 

[Steeplerot]

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[silverpig]

Holy ads squishing the text to 200 pixels wide batman!

 

[venkman]

lol, not no mo' anyway

:confused; it has more people than SF

 

[Genx87]

I am about halfway through and not sure there is enough time to get the whole thing done.

But this is sadly not atypical when it comes to govt run organizations and projects. Having worked on a federal project and having a few friends in govt who vent at me. This sounds like a lot of things that happen elsewhere in less liberal areas. No accountability, nobody wanting accountability, crushing labor protections, and terrible cost overruns. And when they fail to make the books they hit up the ignorant populace for more money and we happily vote it away.

 

[fskimospy]

rtfa.

I did genius, I'm saying that such an idea is a load of shit, not that someone hasn't had that idea.

 

[waggy]

stories like this make me sad and pissed off. I wonder how the US would be if the goverment was ran without the greed and curruption. IF they kept track of all money and didnt give jobs to people who they think they owe favors to.


and i agree with vic on patranus

 

[Red Dawn]

Luckily for the residents of SF they can afford it unlike Detroit and other less affluent Big Cities poorly managed.

 

[Mursilis]

stories like this make me sad and pissed off. I wonder how the US would be if the goverment was ran without the greed and curruption. IF they kept track of all money and didnt give jobs to people who they think they owe favors to.

It's a nice thought, but you really can't expect humanity to deny its nature so much, now can you? Of course, not all of us are greedy and/or corrupt, but those traits are prominent enough in our nature that they're practically emblematic of large organizations.

 

[Craig234]

An interesting thing about a situation like this is that the massive 'waste' described actually has some elements of the very liberal notions of high salaries for workers - 'wealth redistribution'.

And by that measure, you can see the economic effects - somehow the money going to the workers leaves the city very prosperous overall, even though the 'waste' issue isn't addressed.

Unfortunately, it's a lot easier to get big waste, than big money for workers by policy. FWIW it's worth, I wouldn't point to San Francisco as a model for efficiency b any means.

But before saying it's 'worse' than other cities, I'd pont out that many other cities are lacking in government in areas San Francisco is trong, including the efforts to be progressive and a sense of 'democracy'.

For example, compare it to the much larger Los Angeles. Quick, name anything about Los Angeles' city government. Who's the mayor? What are their policies?

New York City is largely praised more for broken things they do better at than anything - Bloomberg may be a better excepton, but the 'corruption' and 'waste' there seem massive as well.

Giuliani was a joke IMO.

Chicago? Ha. If righties need their anti-Obama criticisms of Chicago criticism repeated back...

Most cities seem to have the occassional corruption story, and to have moderate amounts of 'waste'.

There is a right-wing city in the south - was it Atlanta? - that got a bit obnoxious, where the rich section re-incorporated itself so that its larger tax base could stop paying for schools and services for the rest.

There was an experiemt to sort of abolish the city government and replace it with all contractors.

Of course, that's sort of what Palin's city where she was mayor did, as we saw on the Daily Show - the mayor shows up Thursday afternoon for a quick staff meeting and to sign checks. Doesn't run the schools, the police, the services, not much at all. I don't think 'well run' city government is really a democrat or republican thing. Those seem more accidental labels to fit the local populace. Theyre more for the national and to a lesser amount the state level governments.

The basics, running trash service, street lights, local police, and so on just don't really seem like a party issue. San Francisco has good and bad. The residents like some things about it.

The articlle here misses a lot of the good, but makes some very valid crticisms.

 

[Craig234]

I am about halfway through and not sure there is enough time to get the whole thing done.

But this is sadly not atypical when it comes to govt run organizations and projects. Having worked on a federal project and having a few friends in govt who vent at me. This sounds like a lot of things that happen elsewhere in less liberal areas. No accountability, nobody wanting accountability, crushing labor protections, and terrible cost overruns. And when they fail to make the books they hit up the ignorant populace for more money and we happily vote it away.

I have to give you credit in this post for ackowledging that this is an issue not about 'liberal' and happens elsewhere. Of course it's not limitefd to government either. Private has plenty of problems.

At some point people need to get past the simplistic 'oh my gosh look at the anecdote' approach and recognize there's 'waste' inherent, and deal with just reducing it and more important issues.

What's better, an ineffiicient project for somethig useful or efficiency for a 'bridge to nowhere'?

 

[Toastedlightly]

I read the article last night and this is just silly. Having been in the working world for only half a year (horray internship), I see why the waste happens in such a system. I think the author hit the nail right on the head. If nobody is held accountable, who cares?

 

[CycloWizard]

I did genius, I'm saying that such an idea is a load of shit, not that someone hasn't had that idea.

So you're going to tell me that the main example in the article earned his job due to his qualifications and kept it because he was doing such a good job? Really?:\

 

[alphatarget1]

What would the 'real world' be then? San Francisco is one of the wealthiest and most successful areas of the entire planet. If they don't know how to succeed, almost nobody does.

Also one of the most "segregated" cities. Sure, you have a bunch of rich people in Nob Hill, Richmond district, blah blah blah, but there are also a lot of places that are sh!tty (like Tenderloin).

Gavin Newsom is a failure and he is running San Francisco into the ground. Bring back Willie Brown please.