The Worst-Run Big City in the U.S.

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throwing money at a problem isn't going to fix the problem. maybe one day they will learn that.
 
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eskimospy said:
What would the 'real world' be then? San Francisco is one of the wealthiest and most successful areas of the entire planet. If they don't know how to succeed, almost nobody does.
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it sure is, it's ranked 18th, that doesn't mean they know what the fuck they are doing when it comes to running a city, that just means they know how to make money. there's 7 places in the USA with higher GDP and aren't as poorly ran as SF, although a couple are close.
 
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eskimospy said:
What would the 'real world' be then? San Francisco is one of the wealthiest and most successful areas of the entire planet. If they don't know how to succeed, almost nobody does.
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You might be thinking of the San Francisco Bay Area. Much of that "wealth" is fleeing the city.
 
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What bothers me is that some idiots think that money == success.
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*sigh* It is the easiest and probably most widely agreed upon measure of success that we have. Of course there are many ways to be successful that do not involve making lots of money, but exactly where do you measure a happy family?

If it bothers you that much by all means change my post in your head to 'economically successful'.
 
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eskimospy said:
*sigh* It is the easiest and probably most widely agreed upon measure of success that we have. Of course there are many ways to be successful that do not involve making lots of money, but exactly where do you measure a happy family?
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I didn't say you could measure a happy family - I simply pointed out the folley of trying to claim that money==success.
If it bothers you that much by all means change my post in your head to 'economically successful'.
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The problem is that the article got your panties in a bunch because it points out the problems intrinsic to many of your ideals. For example, it seems to be a place where someone can get hired because they are of ethnicity x, but can only get fired for discriminating against someone because they are of religion y - merit (or lack thereof) isn't even a consideration in this hiring/firing scheme.
 
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Interesting article on the fallacies of a hyperdemocracy with an uninformed populace.
 
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CycloWizard said:
I didn't say you could measure a happy family - I simply pointed out the folley of trying to claim that money==success.

The problem is that the article got your panties in a bunch because it points out the problems intrinsic to many of your ideals. For example, it seems to be a place where someone can get hired because they are of ethnicity x, but can only get fired for discriminating against someone because they are of religion y - merit (or lack thereof) isn't even a consideration in this hiring/firing scheme.
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The problems intrinsic to many of my ideals? You're just inventing things for me to think, and the thing is that you're even failing to knock down your own invented opponent by resorting to hilarious hyperbole. Merit isn't even a consideration in the hiring/firing scheme. Suuuuuuure it isn't.
 
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Skoorb said:
worse than detroit?!
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Not possible.

As eskimospy unintentionally pointed out, SF is more a victim of its own success than anything. Just like Detroit was... a long time ago.
 
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Ineffective bureaucrats? Uniformed voters? Sounds like every other city in America.
I just wish I was on the gravy train working for the city.
The saving grace you are overlooking is that SF brings in more tourist dollars than almost anywhere, in not that large a city. As a result the city govt spends (wastes) more money than anywhere else. They can at least attempt to solve problems like health care for kids and helping the homeless. They have the money. Sure most of the money is wasted on $100k city workers, but at least they are trying.

As for Newsom, not a big fan, but at least he didn't spend $1 billion fixing up city hall like his predecessor, Willie Brown.
Money papers over a lot of mismanagement, if you really want to see mismanagement, look across the bay to Oakland. Jerry Brown was a failure as mayor, as is Ron Dellums.
Bad news for Californians is it looks like Jerry Brown could be the next governor.
 
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eskimospy said:
What would the 'real world' be then? San Francisco is one of the wealthiest and most successful areas of the entire planet. If they don't know how to succeed, almost nobody does.
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Even if some San Franciscans personally know how to succeed in life, what does that have to do with many of their local government policies being a major failure?

It seems this topic is about the local government, not the happiness of the successful portion of the local populace. Or did you not get that part?
 
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Vic said:
Not possible.

As eskimospy unintentionally pointed out, SF is more a victim of its own success than anything. Just like Detroit was... a long time ago.
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The only victims of San Francisco were that entire family that was assassinated by an illegal immigrant....An illegal immigrant who had been arrested many times for breaking numerous laws including weapons violations but was shielded by the city because of their "sanctuary city" policy.
 
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Patranus said:
The only victims of San Francisco were that entire family that was assassinated by an illegal immigrant....An illegal immigrant who had been arrested many times for breaking numerous laws including weapons violations but was shielded by the city because of their "sanctuary city" policy.
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Hi, dipshit troll! :rolleyes:
 
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Vic said:
Hi, dipshit troll! :rolleyes:
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Typical.

The thread is titled "The Worst-Run Big City in the U.S." and I point out an example of how the city is poorly run. Your only comment is to call my a "dipshit troll".
 
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Typical.

The thread is titled "The Worst-Run Big City in the U.S." and I point out an example of how the city is poorly run. Your only comment is to call my a "dipshit troll".
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My comments about you personally, and the OP's article about SF (with which I already agreed and said so), are completely unrelated. Any moron with an IQ above 60 could know that.

It's the fact that you troll something entirely unrelated (with something ridiculous, like "the ONLY victims of San Francisco"), then take my comments about your blatant trolling as being on-topic is what makes you a dipshit as well as troll.

Quite frankly, if I ever argued with someone as pathetically stupid and dishonest as you in real life, I'd beat the fucking shit out of them. You're worthless as a human being. 3rd generation welfare moms contribute more to the sum of human knowledge than you do, and probably cost the taxpayers less.
 
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Vic said:
My comments about you personally, and the OP's article about SF (with which I already agreed and said so), are completely unrelated. Any moron with an IQ above 60 could know that.

It's the fact that you troll something entirely unrelated (with something ridiculous, like "the ONLY victims of San Francisco"), then take my comments about your blatant trolling as being on-topic is what makes you a dipshit as well as troll.

Quite frankly, if I ever argued with someone as pathetically stupid and dishonest as you in real life, I'd beat the fucking shit out of them. You're worthless as a human being. 3rd generation welfare moms contribute more to the sum of human knowledge than you do, and probably cost the taxpayers less.
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Again. Typical. Vic resorting to name calling.

How is a CITY policy that is DIRECTLY responsible for the murder of an entire family not related to why the city might be "the worst run big city in the US" per the article?
 
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Patranus said:
Typical.

The thread is titled "The Worst-Run Big City in the U.S." and I point out an example of how the city is poorly run. Your only comment is to call my a "dipshit troll".
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To clarify, you didn't point out AN example, you said it was the ONLY example (i.e. "the only victims of San Francisco... "). And it was completely unrelated to the anything in the OP's article, so we all know now that you didn't read it. Plus, there's something ridiculous about self-proclaimed 'small govt' conservatives railing against 'illegal' immigration. "Ihre Papiere bitte!"
 
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