The worst has happened: MS removing GroupPolicy settings for Win10pro

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Red Squirrel

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I imagine someone will just write a management suite that will replace GPOs. I suppose this move does open up such a market.

Maybe Novell will be relevant again? This is their time to shine, maybe try to push Suse at same time. I assume with Suse Novell/central management is built in? Can it integrate with Windows too? It would make it possible for a company to fairly easily start migrating some machines to Linux while keeping Windows around for those that need it and they would all authenticate and be managed together. Stuff like HR who mostly use email and web based stuff could easily be switched to Linux while people using more specialized software would keep using Windows.
 

Kaido

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You can push out registry changes as well.

Yup. There's still a lot of crap that's simply easier to manage with tools like BatchPatch, ShutUp10, etc.

I understand both sides; it's a difficult situation. Due to the complexity of modern computers, they are more vulnerable than ever to attacks. These days, your computer stores your whole life...everything you search for, order, people you communicate with, personal photos, etc. Getting hacked is a big deal. Microsoft wants to stream in updates to keep you protected (as well as make money off ads & other built-in systems). On the flip side, this makes managing network system securely very difficult. Updates break things. Updates cause delays. I was just in a meeting where the instructor was giving a Powerpoint in front of 50 people, had his Win10 laptop popup asking to do the deferred update, and he clicked the wrong button in haste & it shut down on him and started doing reboot patching. Not only embarrassing, but a huge waste of time to everyone in that training meeting. This is a ridiculous event to have happen in 2016. And how do you do big companies like financial companies, government entities, etc., where anything that goes on the computers has to be approved by an IT administrator first?

imo, what they should really do is make Windows 10 Home available for free (ad-supported) & keep the streaming updates coming in automatically, and then create a separate version of Windows 10 Pro where you can control things explicitly & have a virtualized browser to handle Internet stuff, like Ntrepid. Any files, emails, or Internet-based stuff that comes in gets audited against a worldwide database first. That's how Symantec does it with their mail filtering system, which a huge portion of corporate America uses. Although advertising is scary too, with all of the ad networks getting hacked these days. I left my browser up on Imgur the other day & it bounced me over to a cycled-in ad that had been hacked & downloaded a virus. Fortunately I was on my Chromebook, but still...it's a tricky situation.

All I know is that from an IT standpoint, Windows 10 has made my life harder & I'm resisting rolling it out as much as possible for support reasons. We get 4 more years of Win7 support from Microsoft; hopefully they'll have figured this garbage out by then. I don't see corporate America switching to Mac due to the price. Maybe Chromebooks with some sort of VDI & Terminal Server setup going on. There are some cool systems like PaperSpace coming out using NVIDIA GRID & TESLA cards & some fancy PCoIP stuff that are really promising. But as of right now, Microsoft is making some really foolish decisions for people who operate in the business world, as well as home users who are endlessly annoyed at the ads (for an OS they paid for) & unwanted reboots.
 

Rifter

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Its a bait and switch, plain and simple. They sold a OS having group polices and then removed that functionality.

MS should be offering full refunds to all win10 pro users who want them, then they can buy win10 home or enterprise depending on their needs.

Im all for differentiating versions of your OS with features but you cant change what OS supports what major features AFTER you have sold/released it.
 

Anubis

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I fully agree with you, they should not do that for the Pro version, it is a pure $$$ grab forcing companies to use the Enterprise Edition.

TBH most companies of significant size already are on an enterprise level edition, and rightfully should be

im not even in IT but im on our Win10 Beta rollout program and its the enterprise version, same with the custom version of 7 we have
 

BarkingGhostar

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Windows 7 probably going to be like XP, they'll just keep extending the date and trying so hard to get people off. Businesses who just finished upgrading to 7 are probably not going to want to deal with that again for a while.
Agreed. One of my coworkers just did their lease-roll and it is a brand new laptop with Windows 7 Pro on it. AT&T has no plans to spend the money on W10 anytime that I am am aware of. My next lease roll isn't until next year.
 

superstition

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Yeah depends on the business too I imagine, some may be easier to switch than others, depends on how specialized the software is. I can't see an AutoCAD shop switch to Linux for example. Suppose you could Citrix it, but how baddly will that affect the performance. Once you start getting into VMs, then it kinda defeats the purpose too. May as well stay on Windows.
Maybe it's time for people to not allow themselves to be held hostage by developers who are too lazy to port their apps to Linux. It is not that tough to do.
 

mikeymikec

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My next licence purchase (for my own PC) was likely to be Win10 Pro retail, partly for the extra features like deferring updates and partly for what appears to be a fully transferable licence. However, with MS acting like this it seems increasingly unlikely that I'll get either advantage in the long term.