Will/can Illinois go bankrupt? Or is it all talk we have heard before?
https://www.investing.com/analysis/...inois-history-erupts-as-state-compt-200195870
https://www.investing.com/analysis/...inois-history-erupts-as-state-compt-200195870
I predict the outcome will be the same as every other "government bankruptcy is imminent" situation in recent history.
I will say this though, the government pension racket needs some serious restructuring. CT is facing a lot of these same issues. Of course it is all liberals' fault.
No, that is certainly not what I mean. However, I do think that people should not be able to work 20 years in one department and 20 in another and walk away with 2 full pensions on our dime.Yea because a teacher that works their entire lifetime with a predefined benefit promised to them, should have it taken away from them when they retire when they no longer have other options.
IL is major fucked. They have one of, if not *the* highest property taxes in the country. Sales taxes are high...upwards of 7.5%-10% depending on location and what is being purchased. And they have been bouncing the income tax rate all over the place. It was at 3.5%. Then it went to 5%. Then back to 3.75% and now they are looking at moving it to 6%.
They are losing high paying jobs at record rates as people leave the state to cheaper places to live. They can't squeeze any more out of property taxes. And the shift to higher income taxes will further push more people away from the state for those with lower tax rates. They are in trouble. I left 3 years ago and never looked back.
Where do you think the money should come from to pay those pensions?Yea because a teacher that works their entire lifetime with a predefined benefit promised to them, should have it taken away from them when they retire when they no longer have other options.
It's a totally unnecessary theft. Raise taxes to cover the promises made. Don't like the promises? Fine, elect politicians who won't make those promises in the future. The taxpayers (the ones who bothered to vote anyway) wanted their to eat their dinner but didn't want to pay the bill. Too bad, the dinner is eaten and the bill is due, pay up. In the future, order a more modest meal.Where do you think the money should come from to pay those pensions?
People taking a haircut on pensions is nothing new. It's extremely unfortunate to put it mildly, but it's not uncharted territory.
In your opinion, why is the state having so much trouble and why haven't their attempted remediation plans worked? I know nothing about the subject, but it's interesting and you always seem to have your head on straight, so I'm curious what you think.
It's like asking why healthcare is so expensive. The answer is...it's complicated
It's just overall bloat everywhere.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/statelocal_spending_2017ILbn
Chicago and the cost associated with the upkeep of it is certainly not helping. Look at the pensions in IL vs IN or IA. All of those cops, teachers, firemen, ect are getting municipal pensions. The cost of employing them is high raising the protection and education budgets. When it comes to healthcare, IL gets back $.46 on the dollar (3 lowest in the country) for every federal dollar that goes out. Compare that to Kentucky that gets almost $2.20 back on the dollar from the feds for healthcare and you have another hole to dig out of.
Then you get into the whole debt issue where 7% of your annual budget is there to repay debt from the previous years.
It's just a pile of factors. Toss in the fleeing tax base of 1500 people (net loss per year), of which I am certain are higher paying jobs .My wifes dept (Pharmacist making 125k a year) lost 10 jobs to out of state positions before she left. I know half a dozen doctors that moved out to better gigs else where. And I doubt that many people are moving *into* rural IL (where we were) to make up for them.
Which is whole other issue. Outside of Chicago it's just not a highly desirable place to live. You have extreme weather in both the summer and winter. Falls are typically awesome. But otherwise it's hot and muggy summers, and cold and shitty winters. Outside of a few pockets in a couple interstate enabled cities there is zero diversity, it's completely rural, and you get shafted in property taxes.
How do they get out of it? There's no magic bullet. They'll need to start moving new municipal employees over to defined contributions instead of benefits for retirement. Hope that their current pension pullers die off earlier than expected. Maybe do some sort renegotiating on the pension rates currently being honored. Figure out some way to reduce their municipal overhead (which means more private schools/emergency responders/ect). And generally shrink down the size of the government.
They can also hope for some kind of federal medicaid expansion and/or a shift to single payer and maybe get more reimbursement for their health care costs vs. other states. They aren't getting paid the same way that others are right now.
Will they do it? No clue. It's second only to DC in swampy'ness.
It sounds like the solution is for people to work together, which means it won't be solved any time soon even if a budget is cobbled together. Am I close?
They have some very hard decisions to make. In Chicago alone they have over 11,000 employees making over $100,000. That's a payroll of over 1 billion. For just those 11,000 employees. That doesn't count retirement or health benefits, just salaries. Total payroll for Chicago was pushing 3 billion. Municipal jobs and wages are going to have to get shrunk down. It's a vicious cycle of inflation. But they will get pummeled with the press by cutting emergency responder jobs. Even looking at things like going to salary and getting rid of the overtime draws helps some. But the unions and organized groups will scream bloody murder.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/politic...rd-of-chicago-city-workers-make-100k-or-more/
It's a terrible situation of which there is not many easy choices to fix.
Yea because a teacher that works their entire lifetime with a predefined benefit promised to them, should have it taken away from them when they retire when they no longer have other options.
I've heard Chicago has it bad in terms of various unions exerting a stranglehold on the city's ability to adjust its finances, but I have no first hand experience or knowledge
Expectations for public services have outstripped the desire to pay for them.
Socialism, brought to you by the Democrats, is a GIGANTIC failure. Detroit, CA & IL are living proof.
Still ripping off another members avatar. Add admitted thief to admitted troll. Poor Felix and his lack of morals.
Socialism, brought to you by the Democrats, is a GIGANTIC failure. Detroit, CA & IL are living proof.
Okay, since all you do is repeat the same lie over and over and refuse to say anything worthwhile, you are now on ignore. I have given you several chances and pointed out your lie, but it appears to be the only thing you have. You will be released on 6/20/2018. Maybe by then you will get over yourself.
He's also posing as sonnikku, stolen avatar is stolen.I thought you disliked safe spaces.
Capitalism, brought to you by the United States, is a GIGANTIC failure.
The invasion of Vietnam, overthrowing of Iran, overthrowing of Iraq, overthrowing of Libya, invasion of Somalia, tyranny and subsequent strangling of Cuba, persistent persecution of Native Americans, endorsement of East Timor genocide, overthrowing of Venezuela, are living proofs.
Okay, since all you do is repeat the same lie over and over and refuse to say anything worthwhile, you are now on ignore. I have given you several chances and pointed out your lie, but it appears to be the only thing you have. You will be released on 6/20/2018. Maybe by then you will get over yourself.