The World's Littlest Counterfeiters

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The World's Littlest Counterfeiters

GARY, Ind. (AP) ? A cafeteria worker thought it was odd that a fourth-grader would pay for his lunch with a $20 bill.

The cashier at Marquette Elementary School was right. The cashier, who also noticed that the texture of the paper wasn't right, alerted the school's police officer, Patrolman Greg Tatum, who asked the 10-year-old about the money.

"He reached into his front pocket and pulled out more," Tatum said.

The discovery Tuesday led to the arrest of three fourth-graders at the Gary school, where police and school officials confiscated $179 in counterfeit money.

All three face juvenile charges of forgery and theft, Cpl. Nelson Otano after the students were brought to the police station.

Police found the bills in a trashcan next to a computer when they went to the first boy's home Tuesday, Gary Police Cpl. Nelson Otano said.

"It looked like they were trying to perfect them," he said.

Police arrested two 10-year-old boys and a 12-year-old girl. In all, police identified seven fake 20s, three 10s, one five and four ones, Otano said.
 

Toonces

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12 and under - no mens rea and can't be charged with a crime. End of case.
 

axelfox

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Originally posted by: UNESC0
12 and under - no mens rea and can't be charged with a crime. End of case.

is that statutory? by law they cannot have the requisite mental state?
 

Toonces

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Originally posted by: axelfox
Originally posted by: UNESC0
12 and under - no mens rea and can't be charged with a crime. End of case.

is that statutory? by law they cannot have the requisite mental state?

in Canada, yes - the courts have defined any child 12 years or younger as not possessing the faculties to distinguish right from wrong and therefore cannot be prosecuted for a criminal act.

In Indiana.. maybe? There's no hard and fast rule per say, it's more likely that parents of these children will be charged with some sort of neglect or similar (non)action.
 

axelfox

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Originally posted by: UNESC0
Originally posted by: axelfox
Originally posted by: UNESC0
12 and under - no mens rea and can't be charged with a crime. End of case.

is that statutory? by law they cannot have the requisite mental state?

in Canada, yes - the courts have defined any child 12 years or younger as not possessing the faculties to distinguish right from wrong and therefore cannot be prosecuted for a criminal act.

In Indiana.. maybe? There's no hard and fast rule per say, it's more likely that parents of these children will be charged with some sort of neglect or similar (non)action.

Well, in Canada, that would be case law, not statutory law, huh? :D :p
 

Toonces

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cut me some slack axel - I've had way too many exams this week and too little hours of sleep to think straight right now :laugh:
 

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Originally posted by: Homerboy
"the school's police officer"?
ugh sounds like a great school


Back in the day it was "Master At Arms". :)

They paddled behinds too for this kind of mischief.
 

Juice Box

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Originally posted by: Homerboy
"the school's police officer"?
ugh sounds like a great school

my school had 15+ security guards...granted, it was a High SChool

"You can get arrested for that?"

you are joking right?


We had a case like this at my HS. 3 of the 4 kids were expelled and sent to jail for many many years, the other was put on high watch by the FBI, and they confiscated all of his electronics in the process....they dont mess around when it comes to counteriftting
 

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Something tells me that these kids will go back and continue perfecting this until they can start fooling people and not get caught easily. I say those are some fairly smart kids, but I hope that they turn to something less illegal...
 

PHiuR

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Originally posted by: UNESC0
Originally posted by: axelfox
Originally posted by: UNESC0
12 and under - no mens rea and can't be charged with a crime. End of case.

is that statutory? by law they cannot have the requisite mental state?

in Canada, yes - the courts have defined any child 12 years or younger as not possessing the faculties to distinguish right from wrong and therefore cannot be prosecuted for a criminal act.

In Indiana.. maybe? There's no hard and fast rule per say, it's more likely that parents of these children will be charged with some sort of neglect or similar (non)action.


so in Canada, you can train an eleven year old to be a killer and have him or her murder people for you?
 

Kenazo

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Originally posted by: PHiuR
Originally posted by: UNESC0
Originally posted by: axelfox
Originally posted by: UNESC0
12 and under - no mens rea and can't be charged with a crime. End of case.

is that statutory? by law they cannot have the requisite mental state?

in Canada, yes - the courts have defined any child 12 years or younger as not possessing the faculties to distinguish right from wrong and therefore cannot be prosecuted for a criminal act.

In Indiana.. maybe? There's no hard and fast rule per say, it's more likely that parents of these children will be charged with some sort of neglect or similar (non)action.


so in Canada, you can train an eleven year old to be a killer and have him or her murder people for you?


You can still go to jail for corruption of a minor or some such thing.