The World must see this

[ZzZGuy]

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
"Traditional rules of war" changed in the 1770s when the colonies used snipers, special forces, hit and run tactics, etc.. No more "Gentleman's Rules".

yeah, it is the same saying, "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter". What the colonists did in the Revolutionary war was EXACTLY what is considered terrorism now. Our forefathers had no problems organizing their resistance in churches, and sniping soldiers in city streets, etc.. The founders of this country fought against a government they had no representation on that still controlled their moves, kinda exactly like what Hamas is doing.

But you could win back then, the pali's don't have a chance in hell. Protets on a massive scale and get in the Israelis face, that is what will work for them.

Back a few months ago, hamas claimed that they where about to stage a million man protest along the Israeli border, this SCARED the Israelis into moving a artillery division to the border, something not even hamas in it's strongest state can make Israel do (defensively I mean).

Drop the sword and pick up the banner. Let the Israelis open fire on a crowd of protesters, and watch a world of s*** come down on them for it. What we have right now is a bunch of world leaders with some hard words but no bite, there is no pressure on Israel. If everyone pulled a South Africa on them, they might think twice about trying to make it a one sided peace deal.

If the pali's turn peaceful then Israel has no reason not to play ball and will be called out for it if they don't, hopefully by the USA with the threat of Z E R O support if they don't play ball. That is how you end this cluster f***, but good luck getting the pali's to even consider that.

 

[JSt0rm]

zomg day be usin da tactics! I ph34r.

Who gives a shit if they have a mpa with sniper positions? You expect them to shoot themselves? Just roll in there with nerve gas and if that doesn't work, nuke the site from orbit, its the only way to be sure.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: dahunan
just fighting injustice with injustice

Like Israel follows all the rules eh?

You are lucky the boogieman Neocons created called Al-Qaeda doesn't help.. right?

Let me treat you like a sewer rat and push you and your family off your land and build walls around you and kill a few innocent neighbors every few months and then tell me you would be just a sweet little neighbor

Seriously, man--let me give you a piece of advice: no one you are trying to convince is hearing you.

I've been following this abortion of a "discussion" across many threads on P&N, and have come to the conclusion that those who see a middle-ground in the conflict are in single-digit minority. The rest are so sexually aroused by the smell of the "others'" blood, that they will never think clearly and logically when it comes to settling this ME dispute.

Violence is for simpletons. Hopefully, in time, the simpletons will succumb to the methods they hold above all. Until then, we bite our lips and let God sort them out.

You know what's fucked up? People like you and dahunan think you guys are on "middle-ground" or unbiased or whatever you want to call it.

Says the guy that preaches genocide. You're a piece of shit.

 

[JSt0rm]

"Had soldiers entered the home, the mannequin would have exploded, collapsing the floor and causing the troops to fall into a tunnel, where Hamas men would have tried to abduct them."

Somebody needs to put that in the videogame lol.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
"Had soldiers entered the home, the mannequin would have exploded, collapsing the floor and causing the troops to fall into a tunnel, where Hamas men would have tried to abduct them."

Somebody needs to put that in the videogame lol.

Yes, what a clever booby-trap concept.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

The thing is, you retard

Great argjewment. I concede.

and the truth is revealed. piece of shit anti-semite.

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Hey, I thought I could either waste more of my precious time, or let you deal with the facts straight up. Seems to have worked.

OMG U FOUNDZ ME U GUYZ, BUT U FAILED TO FIND THE IRONY!

HOW DO I LIVE WITH MYSELF! OY VEY! :roll:

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: dahunan
just fighting injustice with injustice

Like Israel follows all the rules eh?

You are lucky the boogieman Neocons created called Al-Qaeda doesn't help.. right?

Let me treat you like a sewer rat and push you and your family off your land and build walls around you and kill a few innocent neighbors every few months and then tell me you would be just a sweet little neighbor

Would you start killing civilians?

 

[palehorse]

They have a lot in common with their terrorist brethren in the Taliban... and Hezbollah... and AQI... and ... and...

Their terrorist tactics are textbook, and their goal is media-driven sympathy for the atrocities they themselves cause or commit.

Please raise your hand if this surprises you...

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: dahunan
just fighting injustice with injustice

Like Israel follows all the rules eh?

You are lucky the boogieman Neocons created called Al-Qaeda doesn't help.. right?

Let me treat you like a sewer rat and push you and your family off your land and build walls around you and kill a few innocent neighbors every few months and then tell me you would be just a sweet little neighbor

Seriously, man--let me give you a piece of advice: no one you are trying to convince is hearing you.

I've been following this abortion of a "discussion" across many threads on P&N, and have come to the conclusion that those who see a middle-ground in the conflict are in single-digit minority. The rest are so sexually aroused by the smell of the "others'" blood, that they will never think clearly and logically when it comes to settling this ME dispute.

Violence is for simpletons. Hopefully, in time, the simpletons will succumb to the methods they hold above all. Until then, we bite our lips and let God sort them out.

You know what's fucked up? People like you and dahunan think you guys are on "middle-ground" or unbiased or whatever you want to call it.

Says the guy that preaches genocide. You're a piece of shit.

:roll: it's not genocide when you kill people who are trying to kill you.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: dahunan
just fighting injustice with injustice

Like Israel follows all the rules eh?

You are lucky the boogieman Neocons created called Al-Qaeda doesn't help.. right?

Let me treat you like a sewer rat and push you and your family off your land and build walls around you and kill a few innocent neighbors every few months and then tell me you would be just a sweet little neighbor

Seriously, man--let me give you a piece of advice: no one you are trying to convince is hearing you.

I've been following this abortion of a "discussion" across many threads on P&N, and have come to the conclusion that those who see a middle-ground in the conflict are in single-digit minority. The rest are so sexually aroused by the smell of the "others'" blood, that they will never think clearly and logically when it comes to settling this ME dispute.

Violence is for simpletons. Hopefully, in time, the simpletons will succumb to the methods they hold above all. Until then, we bite our lips and let God sort them out.

You know what's fucked up? People like you and dahunan think you guys are on "middle-ground" or unbiased or whatever you want to call it.

Says the guy that preaches genocide. You're a piece of shit.

:roll: it's not genocide when you kill people who are trying to kill you.

I thought that moral relativity was a "liberal Commie cop-out?"

Edit: You fucking Marxists disgust me.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
"Traditional rules of war" changed in the 1770s when the colonies used snipers, special forces, hit and run tactics, etc.. No more "Gentleman's Rules".

Bill Cosby's take on this.
Great for a laugh.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: freshgeardude

Halamish said the map showed how Hamas does not hesitate to use civilian infrastructure for its terrorist activity. A brown dot marked next to a mosque represents a sniper position. "This is a civilian area, and you can see on the map how Hamas booby-trapped the entrance to homes to hit the IDF," Halamish said.

The traps and snipers were obviously set for the Israeli military. Where is the terrorism in that?

Hamas are most certainly terrorists, and I condemn them for their attacks on civilians, but that obviously wasn't what was going on here.

 

[gingermeggs]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: dahunan
just fighting injustice with injustice

Like Israel follows all the rules eh?

You are lucky the boogieman Neocons created called Al-Qaeda doesn't help.. right?

Let me treat you like a sewer rat and push you and your family off your land and build walls around you and kill a few innocent neighbors every few months and then tell me you would be just a sweet little neighbor

Seriously, man--let me give you a piece of advice: no one you are trying to convince is hearing you.

I've been following this abortion of a "discussion" across many threads on P&N, and have come to the conclusion that those who see a middle-ground in the conflict are in single-digit minority. The rest are so sexually aroused by the smell of the "others'" blood, that they will never think clearly and logically when it comes to settling this ME dispute.

Violence is for simpletons. Hopefully, in time, the simpletons will succumb to the methods they hold above all. Until then, we bite our lips and let God sort them out.

You know what's fucked up? People like you and dahunan think you guys are on "middle-ground" or unbiased or whatever you want to call it.

maybe people whom claim dirt to be holly trump them!

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
"Traditional rules of war" changed in the 1770s when the colonies used snipers, special forces, hit and run tactics, etc.. No more "Gentleman's Rules".

There are rules of war created in the modern era, post WW2 that are being violated.

People never set booby traps in WW2

People never used church steeples as sniper posts in WW2?

No one bombed fuel depots in WW2?

Honestly OP, I have *slightly* more sympathy for Israel in general, although both sides disgust me...but this is a real disappointment. The Palestinians had an article about Israeli snipers deliberately targeting children...can't your propaganda machine do SLIGHTLY better than a map showing fairly obvious military strategies for an invading army in urban warfare?

 

[kylebisme]

Their propaganda machine usually does much better, this was just a fluke.

And note that there are more than two sides in a conflict. extremists on both sides perpetuating it by misleading people to support them, and then the rest of us trying to end it.

I have great sympathy for the Israelis who suffer terrorist attacks. However, it is the extremists on their side that continue to colonize Palestinian territory across the West Bank who hold all the power, and keep popular opinion focused on the resulting attacks and counter attacks as this madness continues.

 

[jpeyton]

HOLY MOLY!

Someone got a hold of the IDF's top secret map of Gaza!

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: dahunan
just fighting injustice with injustice

Like Israel follows all the rules eh?

You are lucky the boogieman Neocons created called Al-Qaeda doesn't help.. right?

Let me treat you like a sewer rat and push you and your family off your land and build walls around you and kill a few innocent neighbors every few months and then tell me you would be just a sweet little neighbor

hey, I have some neighbors that are real pains in the ass...so that is not a problem...make sure you take out their dogs will ya?

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
"Traditional rules of war" changed in the 1770s when the colonies used snipers, special forces, hit and run tactics, etc.. No more "Gentleman's Rules".

yeah, it is the same saying, "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter". What the colonists did in the Revolutionary war was EXACTLY what is considered terrorism now. Our forefathers had no problems organizing their resistance in churches, and sniping soldiers in city streets, etc.. The founders of this country fought against a government they had no representation on that still controlled their moves, kinda exactly like what Hamas is doing.

Exactly - the Swamp Fox FTW.

I've never felt that Hamas or al Qaeda *should* use the tactics that they're using, but I've also never been surprised that they do. After all, if you feel the need to fight and don't have a conventional army, you use any means necessary. That's not apologism - that's pragmatism.

I agree with others saying that they are doing it mostly for the attention in the short run. It's almost like they're trying to use Satyagraha without the passive resistance portion. Induce suffering of your population by having as many innocent bystanders blown up, instead of inducing suffering by having a few thousand volunteers go on a salt march or whatever to demand your rights. Violence will never get Hamas anywhere, and thus they are doomed to fail. Unfortunately the civilian population will pay the price, and that spiral of hate of course means that future generations of all involved parties will be paying the price.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
It's almost like they're trying to use Satyagraha without the passive resistance portion.

The vast majority of Palestinians are only engaged in passive resistance, and have been for four decades now as Israel continues to colonize their homeland out from under them. Our media just doesn't bother to tell anyone about the peaceful demonstrations, lead by Arabs and Jews together who want to stop this madness, or how Israeli military runs them off with tear gas and rubber bullets.

The violent resistance even didn't pick up popular support until 20 years into that colonization, with the First Intifata, "intifata" being Arabic for "shaking off". And still the vast majority of polling within the Palestinians territories have shown the majority of people there condemn attacks on Israel and want peace.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
"Traditional rules of war" changed in the 1770s when the colonies used snipers, special forces, hit and run tactics, etc.. No more "Gentleman's Rules".

yeah, it is the same saying, "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter". What the colonists did in the Revolutionary war was EXACTLY what is considered terrorism now. Our forefathers had no problems organizing their resistance in churches, and sniping soldiers in city streets, etc.. The founders of this country fought against a government they had no representation on that still controlled their moves, kinda exactly like what Hamas is doing.

Interesting... I do not recall reading ANY stories of U.S. Revolutionary War fighters attacking innocent civilians or intentionally using them as human shields... care to provide a link?

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
It's almost like they're trying to use Satyagraha without the passive resistance portion.

The vast majority of Palestinians are only engaged in passive resistance, and have been for four decades now as Israel continues to colonize their homeland out from under them. Our media just doesn't bother to tell anyone about the peaceful demonstrations, lead by Arabs and Jews together who want to stop this madness, or how Israeli military runs them off with tear gas and rubber bullets.

The violent resistance even didn't pick up popular support until 20 years into that colonization, with the First Intifata, "intifata" being Arabic for "shaking off". And still the vast majority of polling within the Palestinians territories have shown the majority of people there condemn attacks on Israel and want peace.

They had an election, they chose Hamas. Hamas is not new - it exists since 1988 or so, was responsible for the most horrific suicide bombings against Israel and still they brought it up to power. There might have been other interests for them in doing that, but I'd hardly call it "passive".

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
"Traditional rules of war" changed in the 1770s when the colonies used snipers, special forces, hit and run tactics, etc.. No more "Gentleman's Rules".

yeah, it is the same saying, "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter". What the colonists did in the Revolutionary war was EXACTLY what is considered terrorism now. Our forefathers had no problems organizing their resistance in churches, and sniping soldiers in city streets, etc.. The founders of this country fought against a government they had no representation on that still controlled their moves, kinda exactly like what Hamas is doing.

Interesting... I do not recall reading ANY stories of U.S. Revolutionary War fighters attacking innocent civilians or intentionally using them as human shields... care to provide a link?

Additionally, the Palestinians have their own government. In fact, they even voted them in Democratically. They DO have representation. Extremist asshole representation, but representation nonetheless. So attempting to equate Palestinians with American revolutionaries is really quite a stretch.

A better comparison might be to the American Indians. Many more similarities there.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
"Traditional rules of war" changed in the 1770s when the colonies used snipers, special forces, hit and run tactics, etc.. No more "Gentleman's Rules".

yeah, it is the same saying, "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter". What the colonists did in the Revolutionary war was EXACTLY what is considered terrorism now. Our forefathers had no problems organizing their resistance in churches, and sniping soldiers in city streets, etc.. The founders of this country fought against a government they had no representation on that still controlled their moves, kinda exactly like what Hamas is doing.

Interesting... I do not recall reading ANY stories of U.S. Revolutionary War fighters attacking innocent civilians or intentionally using them as human shields... care to provide a link?

Who fucking cares.. it doesn't give you the right to murder more innocents.. Eye for an Eye Makes the whole world go blind

Israel takes out eyes at a rate of 200:1?? and then wonders why their neighbors want to kill them

I wish you people would seek immigration to Israel and go live on some of that stolen land and then go to church and pray for thanks for it and thank you for god for the help in killing your neighbors..

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
"Traditional rules of war" changed in the 1770s when the colonies used snipers, special forces, hit and run tactics, etc.. No more "Gentleman's Rules".

yeah, it is the same saying, "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter". What the colonists did in the Revolutionary war was EXACTLY what is considered terrorism now. Our forefathers had no problems organizing their resistance in churches, and sniping soldiers in city streets, etc.. The founders of this country fought against a government they had no representation on that still controlled their moves, kinda exactly like what Hamas is doing.

Interesting... I do not recall reading ANY stories of U.S. Revolutionary War fighters attacking innocent civilians or intentionally using them as human shields... care to provide a link?

Who fucking cares.. it doesn't give you the right to murder more innocents.. Eye for an Eye Makes the whole world go blind

Israel takes out eyes at a rate of 200:1?? and then wonders why their neighbors want to kill them

I wish you people would seek immigration to Israel and go live on some of that stolen land and then go to church and pray for thanks for it and thank you for god for the help in killing your neighbors..

The difference is that Israel is not purposefully targeting innocents. Can't say the same for Hamas and the Palestinians. Certain people apparently can't get that difference through their heads though. Either that or they patently ignore it because if they recognize that fact it erodes whatever pathetic little argument they do have.

Israel takes out more eyes because they are vastly stronger. If the Palestinians had any brains at all they wouldn't be that little mouse poking the lion constantly. But blind hatred and religious fervor are quite a potent mix that tends to overwhelm any sort of clear-headed thinking.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: palehorse
Interesting... I do not recall reading ANY stories of U.S. Revolutionary War fighters attacking innocent civilians or intentionally using them as human shields... care to provide a link?

Who fucking cares.. it doesn't give you the right to murder more innocents.. Eye for an Eye Makes the whole world go blind

Israel takes out eyes at a rate of 200:1?? and then wonders why their neighbors want to kill them

I wish you people would seek immigration to Israel and go live on some of that stolen land and then go to church and pray for thanks for it and thank you for god for the help in killing your neighbors..

First, I'm not religious at all, so please drop the "God" and "eye for an eye" nonsense. When conducted properly, war is not "fair." Get over it.

Second, I really wish you'd sign up to fight alongside your beloved Hamas friends. Then again, by feeding on and redistributing their lies, you're already fighting for them...

imagine that.