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The Will Of The Voters? HA!!! Be Gone With That!!

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Pohemi420 said:
I wasn't talking about the danger of driving while intoxicated. Anything mind-altering can/will do that.

I'm referring to all the other bullshit reasoning or excuses still being flung at the wall like so much feces. The rest of your posit is all bullshit. ALL of it.

You claim this anecdotal evidence of, "I was THERE! I SAW IT MYSELF!" Fuck off. People do dumb shit, and not because of MJ. The fact you buy into the whole 'gateway drug' nonsense tells me that you are retarded.
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Written like a very defensive pothead, lol, I had the same attitude as yours back in the day!

Yes people do dumb shit... now get them STONED and see if their behavior improves. 😉

Some people can use marijuana responsibly but some can't. It's the some that can't that are the problem.

Plus, just as marijuana can be a gateway drug, it is also a gateway to driving intoxicated. If someone uses marijuana for more than a little while, and has a vehicle, we both know they're eventually going to drive intoxicated, thinking they are "okay, not that high"... error in judgement, because they are intoxicated.
 
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mindless1 said:
Written like a very defensive pothead, lol, I had the same attitude as yours back in the day!

Yes people do dumb shit... now get them STONED and see if their behavior improves. 😉

Some people can use marijuana responsibly but some can't. It's the some that can't that are the problem.
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As someone who basically never smokes weed it seems clear to me that the costs and problems created by making weed illegal are way, way higher than the problems that come from its use.
 
mindless1 said:
Written like a very defensive pothead, lol, I had the same attitude as yours back in the day!
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Written like a condescending imbecile trying to sound like some kind of wise sage.

Being called out on being full of shit on a topic doesn't mean I'm defending an opposite stance. There is no opposition to your statement besides truth.
It's not like you are taking my birthday away. You are just full of shit, and I'm going to point it out.
 
^ Again, excessively defensive. I never used the phrase "full of shit", so why so much drama in an internet conversation?

Clearly you feel passionately about this topic but at the same time, maybe marijuana is having more of a long term effect on you than you realize.

If it's THAT important to you, that right there is a sign it's TOO important to you. Disagree if you like, carry on... it's none of my business as long as you do it responsibly.
 
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It's more true than false. Back in the day, I smoked my share, lived in that scene, and can assure you that if you have potent marijuana, or are inexperienced using it (especially if you consume too much edibles), or have anxiety disorder or other psychological or medical issues, it can sufficiently impair your driving to the point of being unsafe.

This is particularly true if you're also drinking, that you might be under the legal limit for alcohol but combined with the marijuana intoxication, not be safe to drive. Some even argue that if alcohol was a new drug, it would never have been made legal today.

It can lead to harder drugs for two reasons...

1) It removes the blinders for those who thought marijuana was harder than it is, so they wonder about other drugs. Face it, gateway drugs are a real thing by not only showing a person new mental states they never experienced before but also #2 below.

2) The circle of friends and dealer network causes exposure to harder drugs, and for younger people, peer pressure. Several people I smoked pot with back in the day, went on to harder drugs. One ended up so bad that he did a terrible thing and is now serving a life sentence in prison. Could be coincidence that he started out with marijuana, but I was there, in his circle, and saw how it evolved until we lost touch ~20 years ago. It is very unlikely that he would have jumped from no drugs to hard drugs, without marijuana in the middle.

Marijuana increasing other crimes? Yes/no/maybe. If you make the leap that marijuana is a gateway drug, harder drugs do tend to cause criminal activity to generate income to get them. Blame the drugs or blame the druggie circle of friends, it ends up being the same difference.

What marijuana does more than anything else, is wreck a person's ambitions so they lose out on opportunities in life, often at a critical point in their life, like dropping out of or never going to college, then their circle of friends tends to change to be others that do use harder drugs.

It's not just a drug, it's a culture. Legalization can help keep younger adults insulated, one step away from the dealer, harder drug network, but it is still only one step away rather than two or more.

The above does not mean that I am in favor of government regulating what we can and can't do, as long as it only impacts the individual with no harm to others.
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So that's called dancing with bullshit, or what? Legalization is simply better public policy. We've been proving that here in CO since 2012.
 
Pohemi420 said:
"Opponents have argued that marijuana leads to use of harder drugs, and may also lead to more impaired driving and other crimes."

This bullshit is just as false as it was 40 years ago at the start of Nancy's bullshit war on drugs. It's just Reefer Madness fear, nonsense, and lies. Bunch of scared c*nts.


Lesson 2: Turn it into a glass parking lot.

Yep. You can grab one at the local scrapbooking club, too. 🙄
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Yea, it was a gateway to alcohol.
 
mindless1 said:
It's more true than false. Back in the day, I smoked my share, lived in that scene, and can assure you that if you have potent marijuana, or are inexperienced using it (especially if you consume too much edibles), or have anxiety disorder or other psychological or medical issues, it can sufficiently impair your driving to the point of being unsafe.

This is particularly true if you're also drinking, that you might be under the legal limit for alcohol but combined with the marijuana intoxication, not be safe to drive. Some even argue that if alcohol was a new drug, it would never have been made legal today.

It can lead to harder drugs for two reasons...

1) It removes the blinders for those who thought marijuana was harder than it is, so they wonder about other drugs. Face it, gateway drugs are a real thing by not only showing a person new mental states they never experienced before but also #2 below.

2) The circle of friends and dealer network causes exposure to harder drugs, and for younger people, peer pressure. Several people I smoked pot with back in the day, went on to harder drugs. One ended up so bad that he did a terrible thing and is now serving a life sentence in prison. Could be coincidence that he started out with marijuana, but I was there, in his circle, and saw how it evolved until we lost touch ~20 years ago. It is very unlikely that he would have jumped from no drugs to hard drugs, without marijuana in the middle.

Marijuana increasing other crimes? Yes/no/maybe. If you make the leap that marijuana is a gateway drug, harder drugs do tend to cause criminal activity to generate income to get them. Blame the drugs or blame the druggie circle of friends, it ends up being the same difference.

What marijuana does more than anything else, is wreck a person's ambitions so they lose out on opportunities in life, often at a critical point in their life, like dropping out of or never going to college, then their circle of friends tends to change to be others that do use harder drugs.

It's not just a drug, it's a culture. Legalization can help keep younger adults insulated, one step away from the dealer, harder drug network, but it is still only one step away rather than two or more.

The above does not mean that I am in favor of government regulating what we can and can't do, as long as it only impacts the individual with no harm to others.
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User name checks out.
 
VashHT said:
People have a perception of stoners being lazy because people who use it and aren't idiots keep it secret. I know engineers, doctors and lawyers who use pot, it definitely doesn't turn everyone into a lazy moron.
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I had too for most of my career. Yea, I had one of those, how is that possible.
 
hal2kilo said:
I had too for most of my career. Yea, I had one of those, how is that possible.
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Right, I know people in their 60s at my work who have been smoking pot their entire career. I started smoking in college and graduated summa cum laude so it apparently didn't destroy my brain. One of the things that kind of surprised me when it was legalized in IL is just how many older people (like 50+) I saw at the dispensary. Talking to them a lot of them were afraid to even support legalizing MJ because they didn't want people in their lives to know they used it. Kind of a shame because if more people had openly supported it then it probably would have been legalized faster.
 
Pohemi420 said:
I wasn't talking about the danger of driving while intoxicated. Anything mind-altering can/will do that.

I'm referring to all the other bullshit reasoning or excuses still being flung at the wall like so much feces. The rest of your posit is all bullshit. ALL of it.

You claim this anecdotal evidence of, "I was THERE! I SAW IT MYSELF!" Fuck off. People do dumb shit, and not because of MJ. The fact you buy into the whole 'gateway drug' nonsense tells me that you are retarded.
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Plus the gateway drug argument falls flat when most people that went that route started with other shit (alcohol and tobacco/nicotine being the actual beginner drugs for many). Hell by that logic caffeine is the real gateway drug as it almost certainly is the first real habitually used drug by most people, and you could then go from there to talk about how sugar already fucked up people's habits.
 
More red state republican governance for you. Oh the voters want to change the law and voted for it? Suggestion noted, summarily dismissed, now piss off you bothersome commoners. Just like we've seen them do in Wisconsin, North Carolina, etc.

Banana republican traitors are into liberty like they're into religion: all for it, providing it's the right one.
 
VashHT said:
People have a perception of stoners being lazy because people who use it and aren't idiots keep it secret. I know engineers, doctors and lawyers who use pot, it definitely doesn't turn everyone into a lazy moron.
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My experience as well, both with business owners I know personally and a circle of friends my dad had when he was still alive. One guy in particular was a big wig at Merrill Lynch, quite a character. Infamous for rolling spliffs on private jets while wooing/entertaining clients.
 
Red state republicans all about the freedumbs when it comes to mask wearing. Forgetting the fact not wearing masks infects others.

Meanwhile this freedom? We can't have it.
 
fskimospy said:
Yes, this ruling seems impossibly silly and I have a hard time imagining it holds up unless the rest of the courts are similarly corrupted.

As you allude to, the idea that changing something from illegal to legal covers more than one subject because the state has chosen to pass other business, tax, and farming laws is irrational. By this logic South Dakota can immunize any statute from constitutional amendment by regulating the subject in two different ways.
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Ya but Dude what if future South Dakotans want Government to have no Agency that collects Revenue? That damned Dirty Hippy Amendment is gonna screw them over....
 
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