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The White vote.

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Will have to wait on 2012 data... but my guess is black and hispanic voter participation will be up again.
 
The big question is why do minorities vote at such a low level?
Disregarding the racist, bullshit Republicans who say they are lazy, etc I have to think that the voting system is somehow to blame.

Working men and women, women with children, people who work two jobs, etc are the least likely to vote. We need a system that lets them vote as easily as a corporate executive, a retired person, or a just plain wealthy person.

Early voting was a start. It should be expanded into every state. There should be a goal where no American should have to wait more than 15 minutes to vote. Ever.
 
Its very easy for minorities to vote. Millions of them are in cities where they can walk to a close vote unit. Many of them don't work and have the time to vote. They don't vote for similar reasons why they don't graduate high school - they don't care and have other things they want to do. The radicals on the left always hated welfare because they felt it kept minorities slackened when they thought angry and radicalized would have been more effective.
 
finglobes said:
Its very easy for minorities to vote. Millions of them are in cities where they can walk to a close vote unit. Many of them don't work and have the time to vote. They don't vote for similar reasons why they don't graduate high school - they don't care and have other things they want to do. The radicals on the left always hated welfare because they felt it kept minorities slackened when they thought angry and radicalized would have been more effective.
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Are you a parody account? If not, you have clearly never voted in a city.
 
CharlesKozierok said:
Dunno. But for all our flaws, nobody's made anything better yet...
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I'm a firm believer in real democracy. How well we've achieved that is a matter I'll leave aside for now.

I was wondering what he would make of how our system has evolved an about ourselves as stewards.
 
finglobes said:
Its very easy for minorities to vote. Millions of them are in cities where they can walk to a close vote unit. Many of them don't work and have the time to vote. They don't vote for similar reasons why they don't graduate high school - they don't care and have other things they want to do. The radicals on the left always hated welfare because they felt it kept minorities slackened when they thought angry and radicalized would have been more effective.
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Hayabusa Rider said:
I'm a firm believer in real democracy. How well we've achieved that is a matter I'll leave aside for now.

I was wondering what he would make of how our system has evolved an about ourselves as stewards.
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Have 51% of the country rule the rest... Brilliant! Real democracies are terrible. How much longer would we have not had civil rights for minorities if everything was put to a majority vote?
 
"Are you a parody account? If not, you have clearly never voted in a city.'

I grew up in the city. That's why I also know election day falls not too far from the first of the month when the crazy checks come out. The bars, liquor stores, Dunkin Donuts are full of the Dem base that week. It doesn't help Monday Night Football is the night before election. Lucky for Obama this years game stank
 
AyashiKaibutsu said:
Have 51% of the country rule the rest... Brilliant! Real democracies are terrible. How much longer would we have not had civil rights for minorities if everything was put to a majority vote?
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What a real democracy means is that real people have real choices. Would you rather one rule all? To do away with government and let the strong ravage the weak? Do you not know that there are proportional democracies where winning does not mean one party takes all?

State you case and offer alternatives and then they can be considered.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
What a real democracy means is that real people have real choices. Would you rather one rule all? To do away with government and let the strong ravage the weak? Do you not know that there are proportional democracies where winning does not mean one party takes all?

State you case and offer alternatives and then they can be considered.
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A system of checks and balances with people experienced in governing is far better than relying on what's popular. Proportional democracies aren't "real" democracies at that point. Who gets to choose how popular something is before it's enough? Besides that no matter how much you require the US is comprised of small enough groups that some group will be disenfranchised.
 
It's simply Obama's campaign success in getting the none-whites to vote, which is a easier task because historically they had lower vote rate.

The red states are deep red, so what's the point for a moderate white voter to actually cast a vote in such state?

Want to see what really happened? Look at Iowa, an extremely white state that voted Obama.
 
techs said:
96 percent of Mitts vote came from white people. Honestly tell me nothing is wrong with that?
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Of course not, White people are the least racist group of people on the planet. They do SO much to help Humanity. Whites are REALLY humanitarians but they end up victim to minorities.

The White Establishment is being damaged.
 
Incorruptible said:
95%? of black people voted for obama, now honestly tell me that nothing is wrong with that
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I'm still not sure I see what point you are trying to make. 96% of blacks voted for Clinton's second presidential run.

Blacks historically vote Democratic. Obama being black doesn't really change that fact very much.
 
NFS4 said:
I'm still not sure I see what point you are trying to make. 96% of blacks voted for Clinton's second presidential run.

Blacks historically vote Democratic. Obama being black doesn't really change that fact very much.
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sssh, they just need a reason to explain Obama getting elected TWICE.
 
NFS4 said:
I'm still not sure I see what point you are trying to make. 96% of blacks voted for Clinton's second presidential run.

Blacks historically vote Democratic. Obama being black doesn't really change that fact very much.
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This is a point that keeps popping up and people keeping citing statistics which aren't scientifically valid. The truth is that no one can demonstrate why blacks voted for Obama. Blacks aren't monolithic despite numbers. Someone might vote for him because of party. Some because they feel underrepresented and that Obama might share a common perspective on some things. Others indeed might want a black over a white because they don't like them. Note this isn't a list of all possibilities, and they are not mutually exclusive.

We can state conclusions, but I have not found casual data.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
This is a point that keeps popping up and people keeping citing statistics which aren't scientifically valid. The truth is that no one can demonstrate why blacks voted for Obama. Blacks aren't monolithic despite numbers. Someone might vote for him because of party. Some because they feel underrepresented and that Obama might share a common perspective on some things. Others indeed might want a black over a white because they don't like them. Note this isn't a list of all possibilities, and they are not mutually exclusive.

We can state conclusions, but I have not found casual data.
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Again, I'm not sure I see what point you're getting at. If a black person was going to vote for Obama JUST because he was black, what difference does it make because that black voter was damn near certain to vote democratic anyway.

If a black voter was going to vote democratic simply because they identify with democratic ideals, Obama being black I guess could be "icing on the cake", but that still doesn't change the fact that blacks have for decades voted primarily for democratic presidential candidates.

Do you guys not remember that Clinton was called the "First Black President"? The black community absolutely (and still does) love Clinton. I may be talking out of my ass, but I'd say that blacks love Bill Clinton just as much if not more than Obama.
 
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