The White House's second intern class -----MAWA

[UglyCasanova]

Think about it: if you were a black person living in the US (as an example), would you hold out any hope that the White House would have your back? No, of course not

Why should you feel hope that a Democrat has your back?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/31/democrats-black-voters-granted-abandoned-them

 

[UglyCasanova]

I read this and all I see is weaseling, rationalizing, excusing.

Let’s start with the first one and maybe make our way down. How is a Wall horrible to minorities? Are border agents horrible to minorities? Is having a border at all horrible to minorities?

I see it as a waste of money but beyond that...?

 

[Commodus]

Why should you feel hope that a Democrat has your back?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/31/democrats-black-voters-granted-abandoned-them

Because giving even token support (it's more than that, but still) is infinitely better than open contempt, which is what the current administration offers. I'm not going to run toward the worst option just because the alternative isn't as good as I'd like it to be.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I could argue the token support just peddles bs for votes and lulls everyone into a sense of complacency. The civil rights movement has a long ways to go. BLM is part of that unfinished business. The police are at war with the black community which is insane. They are being rounded up and thrown in jail for stuff as benign as marijuana. The black community has its own problems too and the breakdown of the nuclear family causes much of it. Huge swaths if the black community grow up without father, either because they are incarcerated, dead, or simply gone (multiple kids from multiple baby mammas). That has to stop too.

There’s a lot of work left to do and I’m not really seeing a difference between Democrats and Republicans on outcomes.

 

[UglyCasanova]

So again, why is a wall horrible to minorities?

 

[Capt Caveman]

What’s he done that’s so horrible

You really are a retarded troll aren't you.

 

[UglyCasanova]

You really are a retarded troll aren't you.

So answer the question

 

[Sunburn74]

Why should you feel hope that a Democrat has your back?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/31/democrats-black-voters-granted-abandoned-them

It's not even a question which side seems to care more about minorities having equality in the US. Look I'm willing to have a good argument with someone but at least lets be reasonable here. Don't insult our intelligence; this is supposed to be somewhat intelligent discourse here.

There is a very strong track record within the actions of the democratic party if you look at even just the last 10 years. Minority rights (both black and lgbt) is formally a large part of the democratic party platform (in fact this is why people complain that Dems are just playing identity politics; there's some truth behind that). Democrats elected a black president overwhelmingly and have considerably more minority representation in their party than the other side. In the most recent democratic presidential, administration the democratic dept of justice fought against african american abuses by city police departments (review the dojs finding and punishment of ferguson, baltimore, etc) and for LGBT and female rights (with all of the dept of education rulings and policies they instituted). The current republican doj and dept of edu are trying to actively sabotage minority rights. The current dept of education is filing lawsuits to end affirmative action in example. They also are scaling back recommendations regarding gay and transgender rights in colleges. Ryan Zincke the secretary of the interior was recently quoted as saying "diversity is not important " and wouldn't be something he'd be interested in for his staff. Thats not even talking about repeated attempts to gerrymander districts to limit the influence of african american voters (and this is not debateable. There have been several court ruling specifically saying such gerrymanders had racial intent and thus were unconstitutional. they were not overturned on partisan grounds but strictly grounds of racism) as well as the rampant efforts to limit african american voters with voter ID laws and other requirements. I cannot actually think of one piece of legislation or regulation the GOP has passed in the last 10 years that predominantly improves the outcomes of minorities (in other words minorities got most of the benefit from it). Not one. On both the state and federal level. If you can please share it.

It's one thing to be neutral but I don't think any reasonable person would look at the current administration and say they are neutral towards minorities: hostile would be the more appropriate word for sure.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's not even a question which side seems to care more about minorities having equality in the US. Look I'm willing to have a good argument with someone but at least lets be reasonable here. Don't insult our intelligence; this is supposed to be somewhat intelligent discourse here.

There is a very strong track record within the actions of the democratic party if you look at even just the last 10 years. Minority rights (both black and lgbt) is formally a large part of the democratic party platform (in fact this is why people complain that Dems are just playing identity politics; there's some truth behind that). Democrats elected a black president overwhelmingly and have considerably more minority representation in their party than the other side. In the most recent democratic presidential, administration the democratic dept of justice fought against african american abuses by city police departments (review the dojs finding and punishment of ferguson, baltimore, etc) and for LGBT and female rights (with all of the dept of education rulings and policies they instituted). The current republican doj and dept of edu are trying to actively sabotage minority rights. The current dept of education is filing lawsuits to end affirmative action in example. They also are scaling back recommendations regarding gay and transgender rights in colleges. Ryan Zincke the secretary of the interior was recently quoted as saying "diversity is not important " and wouldn't be something he'd be interested in for his staff. Thats not even talking about repeated attempts to gerrymander districts to limit the influence of african american voters (and this is not debateable. There have been several court ruling specifically saying such gerrymanders had racial intent and thus were unconstitutional. they were not overturned on partisan grounds but strictly grounds of racism) as well as the rampant efforts to limit african american voters with voter ID laws and other requirements. I cannot actually think of one piece of legislation or regulation the GOP has passed in the last 10 years that predominantly improves the outcomes of minorities (in other words minorities got most of the benefit from it). Not one. On both the state and federal level. If you can please share it.

It's one thing to be neutral but I don't think any reasonable person would look at the current administration and say they are neutral towards minorities: hostile would be the more appropriate word for sure.

He's just here to tear down the dirty Democrats cuz they're just as bad...

 

[zinfamous]

Is that Trump in the middle or some mannequin with a creepy Joker face? It really looks fake/creepy at the resolution in the OP.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I find it hard to believe they got Trump to stand still long enough for a picture like this. Probably a cardboard cutout.

Leftover from TrumpU

 

[UglyCasanova]

Fair points on most of your post I agree. For this though

I cannot actually think of one piece of legislation or regulation the GOP has passed in the last 10 years that predominantly improves the outcomes of minorities (in other words minorities got most of the benefit from it). Not one. On both the state and federal level. If you can please share it.

The most important thing that’s happened for blacks is the absolutely booming economy. Jobs. Do minorities get the most benefit from it...no. We all do. Minority unemployment is at its lowest level since we’ve been recording, that’s significant. Nothing raises the well being of someone more than going from unemployed to having a job.

Now he may derail it all with all this tariff bs, but so far the cutting of regulation and such is juicing the economy and causing growth, hiring. Even for black people. Shocking.

 

[UglyCasanova]

So again, why is a wall horrible to minorities?

No one has answered this yet

 

[fskimospy]

Fair points on most of your post I agree. For this though

The most important thing that’s happened for blacks is the absolutely booming economy. Jobs. Do minorities get the most benefit from it...no. We all do. Minority unemployment is at its lowest level since we’ve been recording, that’s significant. Nothing raises the well being of someone more than going from unemployed to having a job.

Now he may derail it all with all this tariff bs, but so far the cutting of regulation and such is juicing the economy and causing growth, hiring. Even for black people. Shocking.

I’m not aware of any credible economic expert that thinks actions taken by Trump are the cause of the current economic expansion.

Even if you wanted to attribute all of 2017’s gains to Trump, which would be foolish, it grew at approximately the same rate as it did in 2015 under Obama.

 

[fskimospy]

No one has answered this yet

He has repeatedly publicly stated that the purpose of the wall is to prevent immigration of Mexican citizens into the US because they are criminals, rapists, etc. These are all transparent lies of course but the government acting to build the wall indicates that it views these lies as credible.

It’s not exactly a great leap of logic as to why the government stating it thinks people of your ancestry are rapists is bad.

 

[umbrella39]

Imagine the odds of a goalpost moving shit poster shit trolling in P&N...

 

[UglyCasanova]

I’m not aware of any credible economic expert that thinks actions taken by Trump are the cause of the current economic expansion.

No one thinks deregulation is helping the economy? Really?

 

[Bitek]

Let’s start with the first one and maybe make our way down. How is a Wall horrible to minorities? Are border agents horrible to minorities? Is having a border at all horrible to minorities?

I see it as a waste of money but beyond that...?

The answer is staring you in the face of you care to actually look.

Why is it an admitted waste of money?

Do you not think more people have figured this out? We've discussed it over and over again...

So why did it become the Trump war chant?

Why the huge push to build it despite the presented facts and push back from gop Congress?

Bueller? Any sparks?

Why is the wall so popular amongst the whites who also support Confederate flags and statues?

Answer these questions and you will have yours.

Try, and if you can't figure it out, we'll baby step you through it.

 

[UglyCasanova]

He has repeatedly publicly stated that the purpose of the wall is to prevent immigration of Mexican citizens into the US because they are criminals, rapists, etc.

To prevent illegal immigration if Mexican citizens. Do you think they should be able to come as they please?

 

[Bitek]

I’m not aware of any credible economic expert that thinks actions taken by Trump are the cause of the current economic expansion.

Even if you wanted to attribute all of 2017’s gains to Trump, which would be foolish, it grew at approximately the same rate as it did in 2015 under Obama.

Everyone knows that the economic expansion started exactly on Jan 20, 2017.

Stop with your fucking facts. Next you'll post charts. Jesus H Christ...

 

[UglyCasanova]

The answer is staring you in the face of you care to actually look.

Why is it an admitted waste of money?

Do you not think more people have figured this out? We've discussed it over and over again...

So why did it become the Trump war chant?

Why the huge push to build it despite the presented facts and push back from gop Congress?

Bueller? Any sparks?

Why is the wall so popular amongst the whites who also support Confederate flags and statues?

Answer these questions and you will have yours.

Try, and if you can't figure it out, we'll baby step you through it.

Why is it a waste of money? Because it won’t be effective, there are better ways to secure the border at a fraction of the cost. Being expensive doesn’t mean it’s horrible to minorities (it means it’s gorrible to everyone because we have to pay for it). The horrible part comes in because a lot of you feel people should be able to come as they please, not through immigration channels.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Everyone knows that the economic expansion started exactly on Jan 20, 2017.

Stop with your fucking facts. Next you'll post charts. Jesus H Christ...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/01/us/politics/trump-businesses-regulation-economic-growth.html

A wave of optimism has swept over American business leaders, and it is beginning to translate into the sort of investment in new plants, equipment and factory upgrades that bolsters economic growth, spurs job creation — and may finally raise wages significantly.


NYT. Fake news

 

[Anubis]

im willing to bet 90% of the applicants were white, so it makes sense that most of them are white

 

[Bitek]

Why is it a waste of money? Because it won’t be effective, there are better ways to secure the border at a fraction of the cost. Being expensive doesn’t mean it’s horrible to minorities (it means it’s gorrible to everyone because we have to pay for it). The horrible part comes in because a lot of you feel people should be able to come as they please, not through immigration channels.

Swing and a miss. It's like you wanted to hit it and pulled the bat back and stuck your head out instead. Sorry, no free walks.

Want to keep trying?

So we're agreed the wall is expensive and useless at it's stated purpose... Yet this is not new facts...

Perhaps.. the stated purpose is not the actual reason a vocal minority want it to be built.

Hmmm..

 

[bshole]

I could argue the token support just peddles bs for votes and lulls everyone into a sense of complacency. The civil rights movement has a long ways to go. BLM is part of that unfinished business. The police are at war with the black community which is insane. They are being rounded up and thrown in jail for stuff as benign as marijuana. The black community has its own problems too and the breakdown of the nuclear family causes much of it. Huge swaths if the black community grow up without father, either because they are incarcerated, dead, or simply gone (multiple kids from multiple baby mammas). That has to stop too.

There’s a lot of work left to do and I’m not really seeing a difference between Democrats and Republicans on outcomes.

You may find this shocking but new in depth research demonstrates that black women are doing slightly better than white women in the work force. The problem seems to entirely rest on black males. This was not all that surprising to me as it kind of matches my life experience. My son's black friends are not doing well in school and spend their free time smoking pot with him. On the other hand, my daughter's black friends are excelling in school. I see female black professionals all the time but male black professionals are a rarity. This disparity between black males and black females is somewhat of a head scratcher.

Read the attached article. It is one of the best I have read in a long time. Thank god there are still some good journalists out there. I strongly suspect they are going to win some prizes for this one.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/19/upshot/race-class-white-and-black-men.html