The War is going really well !!!

[Passions]

Originally posted by: irwincur

Iraq - the battle is not against an army, but small groups of lightly armed men with no air power and no ground armor

You obviously don't know sh1t.

Iraq had the fourth largest standing army in the world. The Republican Guard (120,000) were consdiered to be the most experienced and one of the most dangerous forces in the world. Iraq had more armor and artillary than all of Europe combined.

Some tiny army. The fact that a lot of them did not fight is a testament to 1) planning, 2) deal brokering before the conflict started - two full armies sat the fight out, and 3) planning.

For all those idiots that say Bush didn't have a plan, well you are just that, idiots. I recall hearing Bush tell us three or four times what we were doing over there, how long it was going to take, and what the general process was to be. Add to that the most successful ground war in the history of the world and there most obviously was a damn plan. Democrats are just so damn bitter over this success that they cannot take it.

It's funny that when Kerry gives his plan (not that he has) it is remarkably similar to Bush's. But Kerry claims that he would have the UNs help. It is easier said than done. Bush ahs asked for the UNs help, the UN was there, the UN ran after a sigle bombing. Kerry's plan revolves around his idea of a perfect world that will cooperate totally with him because of his super Ego.



The fact of the matter is this has been the most successful modern war ever, as well as the most successful occupation. Tell the 10,000 US troops that died in Germany after WWII that this is going poorly. How about the 10,000 more that died in Japan after the war due to insurrection. If the liberal media would open their eyes (and actually leave their hotels which they have not done for months) they could possibly report on the 15,000 public works projects that have been completed. But no, they sit back and reprint hateful Al Jazeera news wires as if they are doing their own reporting. If anything is screwed up over there it is the fact that the media seems to be ignoring their jobs and plagerizing hate speech off of the Arabs.

:beer::beer: That was beautiful!!!!!

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: irwincur

Iraq - the battle is not against an army, but small groups of lightly armed men with no air power and no ground armor

You obviously don't know sh1t.

Iraq had the fourth largest standing army in the world. The Republican Guard (120,000) were consdiered to be the most experienced and one of the most dangerous forces in the world. Iraq had more armor and artillary than all of Europe combined.

Some tiny army. The fact that a lot of them did not fight is a testament to 1) planning, 2) deal brokering before the conflict started - two full armies sat the fight out, and 3) planning.

We're talking about 2003, not 1990

 

[GTaudiophile]

Between February 19 and February 23, 1945: 4,574 Marines died taking Mount Suribachi on Iwo Jima.

Just to put things into perspective.

 

[leeboy]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: leeboy

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: NightCrawler
Pros:

No major chemical attacks on troops.
No bloody seige in bagdad.
Saddam caught and his sons killed.
No civil war between factions.
797 killed in 14 months......very low for a major war.

Cons:

Prison Abuse pics




Despite the rantings of the retired bookselling weasel Generals and anti-war nutjobbers the war has gone pretty damn well.

Vietnam:

250,000 troops sent
58,000 kia

Gulf 2:

180,000 troops sent
797 kia

Good statistics. :thumbsup:

Bad statistics :thumbsdown: You are both pulling below 100 on IQ.

In Vietnam, THERE WAS AN ORGANIZED ENEMY

In Iraq, other than the first week of the war, THERE IS NO ORGANIZED ENEMY.

Comparing troup count to death rate shows where abouts on the below 100 IQ scale you both fall. I would wager that you both have an extra 21st chromosome.

I disagree. There is no organized Iraqi army right now, but there is still an organized enemy. Al-Sadr's militia men are quite organized in their attacks. Also Al Queda and fighters from other nations are organized pockets of resistance. The attacks against 4 US contractors in Fallujah was thought to be a well setup booby trap involving blockades and fake Iraqi policemen. These are not just angry ordinary Iraqi's picking up AK47's and spraying streets. These are former Baathists and foreign fighters operating in small cells with high levels of organization.

Can we please be civil and stop with the name calling and attacks? leeboy, I understand you don't like me, but attack the message, not the messanger.

This has nothing to do with likes and dislikes. It has to do with distorting reality. The OP is the one who compared Iraq to Vietnam. Having served in one and having a child die in the other, I can tell you both unequivocally, the two are as different as night and day.

800 is an INCREDIBLY high number of casualties when there is no organized enemy. Our kids are being sniped, blow to pieces by road side bombs, having convoys ambushed by people that LOOK like the people we are trying to protect. Our kids don't have the slightest clue who the enemy actually IS over there. There are sitting ducks on the side of the road.

 

[leeboy]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: irwincur

Iraq - the battle is not against an army, but small groups of lightly armed men with no air power and no ground armor

You obviously don't know sh1t.

Iraq had the fourth largest standing army in the world. The Republican Guard (120,000) were consdiered to be the most experienced and one of the most dangerous forces in the world. Iraq had more armor and artillary than all of Europe combined.

Some tiny army. The fact that a lot of them did not fight is a testament to 1) planning, 2) deal brokering before the conflict started - two full armies sat the fight out, and 3) planning.

We're talking about 2003, not 1990

Funny how he left that part out. Had me scratching my head for a minute there! Thanks for proving Irwincur that you don't know sh!t.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: Czar
forgetting the con of killing all those iraqis
and that civil war thing has been mostly useful of uniting the three factions against the US in iraq

they dont count.. they are not human. i though you knew.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: lozina
797 dead american soldiers... most of which were killed after major military operations announced

About 300 people are murdered in Washington DC (a city of 600,000) each year. DC is a quagmire.

 

[leeboy]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Between February 19 and February 23, 1945: 4,574 Marines died taking Mount Suribachi on Iwo Jima.

Just to put things into perspective.

??? I don't have my scorecard handy today (try and keep track of who is who on the board), what exactly does that put into perspective? Is that a good or bad thing IYO?

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Passions

I disagree. There is no organized Iraqi army right now, but there is still an organized enemy. Al-Sadr's militia men are quite organized in their attacks.

Woah, I thought these guys were a band of "thugs" or terrorists, as Donald Rumsfeld puts it? Which is it? Are they an organized military structure or a band of thugs? Can't have your cake and eat it too.

Oh I love this part:

Originally posted by: Passions
Can we please be civil and stop with the name calling and attacks? leeboy, I understand you don't like me, but attack the message, not the messanger.

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: irwuncur
You obviously don't know sh1t.
(impetuous rant continues...)
For all those idiots that say Bush didn't have a plan, well you are just that, idiots.
(impetuous rant continues...)

:beer::beer: That was beautiful!!!!!

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: lozina
797 dead american soldiers... most of which were killed after major military operations announced

About 300 people are murdered in Washington DC (a city of 600,000) each year. DC is a quagmire.

We have a problem with crime, thanks for pointing that out. Alot more people died in car accidents per year than in the twin towers, but you don't see me trying to play down their deaths. Can we get back on topic with a relevent post now?

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: leeboy

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: irwincur

Iraq - the battle is not against an army, but small groups of lightly armed men with no air power and no ground armor

You obviously don't know sh1t.

Iraq had the fourth largest standing army in the world. The Republican Guard (120,000) were consdiered to be the most experienced and one of the most dangerous forces in the world. Iraq had more armor and artillary than all of Europe combined.

Some tiny army. The fact that a lot of them did not fight is a testament to 1) planning, 2) deal brokering before the conflict started - two full armies sat the fight out, and 3) planning.

We're talking about 2003, not 1990

Funny how he left that part out. Had me scratching my head for a minute there! Thanks for proving Irwincur that you don't know sh!t.

exactly and i QUOTE - "It is as if we are fighting the flintstones".....All they have is RPG's and Ak-47's. And dont forget we have been bombing Iraq back to the stone-age (no pun intended with the quote) since 1991.

 

[leeboy]

Originally posted by: irwincur

Iraq - the battle is not against an army, but small groups of lightly armed men with no air power and no ground armor

The fact that a lot of them did not fight is a testament to 1) planning, 2) deal brokering before the conflict started - two full armies sat the fight out, and 3) planning..

I missed this part the first time I read your drivel.

I guess the fear of having their asses kicked into the ground by bunker busters and DYING had nothing to do with why they didn't fight! Deal brokering! Two full armies sat out! Sitting out when they did not have the defenses to shoot those zippy zippy quick planes down dropping bombs on them with their pistols and rifles. Too funny, you are lost.

 

[arsbanned]

I'm pretty sure we're just killing the ones firing bullets at our troops. Ass.

Really?

Just a few examples:

When our delegation traveled to Iraq in July to establish the Occupation Watch Center, we met the family of Mazen Nouradin, a 32-year-old Iraqi veterinarian who was shot dead by U.S. soldiers on June 28 while he was trying to hail a taxi in Baghdad. The soldiers claimed that Mazen was holding a pistol, but according to his family, he does not even own a pistol; the object he was holding was his daybook.

Amnesty International?s July 23 memo on ?concerns relating to law and order? in Iraq describes the case of 12-year-old Mohammad al-Kubaisi, who was killed by U.S. troops in the Hay al-Jihad area of Baghdad on June 26. He was carrying his family?s bedding up to the roof of their house when he was spotted and then shot by U.S. soldiers who were carrying out search operations in nearby houses.


According to the LA times, at least two civilians were shot dead at a checkpoint during a raid in the hunt for Saddam Hussein in Baghdad?s Mansour neighborhood. ?Many witnesses angrily criticized the U.S. soldiers who were responsible, saying the checkpoint was badly organized and the area was not properly sealed. They also questioned why soldiers shot to kill in a populated area.? (U.S. Limits Payments to Kin of Slain Iraqi Civilians, LA Times, 8/4/03)

link

 

[Moonbeam]

"History is over and it's time to rate the Iraq war. We will do that by counting our dead." I need it simple like that because I'm a moron. Also I'm really pissed off that people are attacking my Great Leader. Don't they realize how bad I feel? If you attack my Wonderful Leader you attack everything I've substituted for myself as being worth while. Please, please don't do that. I'm too small and feel too inferior to lose that. Oh Glorious Leader let me bask in your light. You have lead us into a wonderful war. You massaged my testicles and made me feel like a man. We killed so many people with smart weapons and lost so few of our own. Oh, Glorious leader, you have given me a great orgasm. You are wonderful. I love you. I really really love you. In your Glorious Reflection I am Great. And You get your Glory from God to Whom You talk. Wow, I think I'll kill a liberal for God. WEEEEEEEEEEEEE

GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!!

Marching around in my reptile brain I can take anybody on.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
"History is over and it's time to rate the Iraq war. We will do that by counting our dead." I need it simple like that because I'm a moron. Also I'm really pissed off that people are attacking my Great Leader. Don't they realize how bad I feel? If you attack my Wonderful Leader you attack everything I've substituted for myself as being worth while. Please, please don't do that. I'm too small and feel too inferior to lose that. Oh Glorious Leader let me bask in your light. You have lead us into a wonderful war. You massaged my testicles and made me feel like a man. We killed so many people with smart weapons and lost so few of our own. Oh, Glorious leader, you have given me a great orgasm. You are wonderful. I love you. I really really love you. In your Glorious Reflection I am Great. And You get your Glory from God to Whom You talk. Wow, I think I'll kill a liberal for God. WEEEEEEEEEEEEE

GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!!

Marching around in my reptile brain I can take anybody on.

Did you get your artificial dose of self-importance today, MB? Hopefullly someday you'll realize it's just a placibo.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
"History is over and it's time to rate the Iraq war. We will do that by counting our dead." I need it simple like that because I'm a moron. Also I'm really pissed off that people are attacking my Great Leader. Don't they realize how bad I feel? If you attack my Wonderful Leader you attack everything I've substituted for myself as being worth while. Please, please don't do that. I'm too small and feel too inferior to lose that. Oh Glorious Leader let me bask in your light. You have lead us into a wonderful war. You massaged my testicles and made me feel like a man. We killed so many people with smart weapons and lost so few of our own. Oh, Glorious leader, you have given me a great orgasm. You are wonderful. I love you. I really really love you. In your Glorious Reflection I am Great. And You get your Glory from God to Whom You talk. Wow, I think I'll kill a liberal for God. WEEEEEEEEEEEEE

GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!!

Marching around in my reptile brain I can take anybody on.

Did you get your artificial dose of self-importance today, MB? Hopefullly someday you'll realize it's just a placibo.

No but clearly I offended yours.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
"History is over and it's time to rate the Iraq war. We will do that by counting our dead." I need it simple like that because I'm a moron. Also I'm really pissed off that people are attacking my Great Leader. Don't they realize how bad I feel? If you attack my Wonderful Leader you attack everything I've substituted for myself as being worth while. Please, please don't do that. I'm too small and feel too inferior to lose that. Oh Glorious Leader let me bask in your light. You have lead us into a wonderful war. You massaged my testicles and made me feel like a man. We killed so many people with smart weapons and lost so few of our own. Oh, Glorious leader, you have given me a great orgasm. You are wonderful. I love you. I really really love you. In your Glorious Reflection I am Great. And You get your Glory from God to Whom You talk. Wow, I think I'll kill a liberal for God. WEEEEEEEEEEEEE

GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!!

Marching around in my reptile brain I can take anybody on.

Did you get your artificial dose of self-importance today, MB?

No but clearly I offended yours.

You offend(ed) my sense of reasoning and fairness of thought.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
"History is over and it's time to rate the Iraq war. We will do that by counting our dead." I need it simple like that because I'm a moron. Also I'm really pissed off that people are attacking my Great Leader. Don't they realize how bad I feel? If you attack my Wonderful Leader you attack everything I've substituted for myself as being worth while. Please, please don't do that. I'm too small and feel too inferior to lose that. Oh Glorious Leader let me bask in your light. You have lead us into a wonderful war. You massaged my testicles and made me feel like a man. We killed so many people with smart weapons and lost so few of our own. Oh, Glorious leader, you have given me a great orgasm. You are wonderful. I love you. I really really love you. In your Glorious Reflection I am Great. And You get your Glory from God to Whom You talk. Wow, I think I'll kill a liberal for God. WEEEEEEEEEEEEE

GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! GEORGE BUSH, GEORGE BUSH, RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!!

Marching around in my reptile brain I can take anybody on.

Did you get your artificial dose of self-importance today, MB?

No but clearly I offended yours.

You offend(ed) my sense of reasoning and fairness of thought.

Were that so you wouldn't have projected your own feelings about yourself onto me. You would simply have stated your reasoning and shown me in what way I was unfair. No?

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: leeboy


This has nothing to do with likes and dislikes. It has to do with distorting reality. The OP is the one who compared Iraq to Vietnam. Having served in one and having a child die in the other, I can tell you both unequivocally, the two are as different as night and day.

800 is an INCREDIBLY high number of casualties when there is no organized enemy. Our kids are being sniped, blow to pieces by road side bombs, having convoys ambushed by people that LOOK like the people we are trying to protect. Our kids don't have the slightest clue who the enemy actually IS over there. There are sitting ducks on the side of the road.

You say you served in Vietnam, okay but how is it so different than in Iraq? You say kids are being sniped, blown to pieces by road side bombs, "have convoys ambushed by people that LOOK like the people we are trying to protect," how is that different than Vietnamese gorillas? You had Vietcong women and children who would be friendly until the moment they tossed a few grenades at you. Booby traps in the jungles. Snipers hiding in trees. As far as I know, Vietcong LOOKed just like the South Vietnamese, and used it to their advantages in ambushes, just like the Iraqi's are doing. The Vietnamese had Soviet Union supplying them, and I believe Iran/Syria/etc are supplying the Iraqi's. The Iraqi's have no organzied official Army, but I think their gorilla tactics are quite organized.

I never served in Vietnam, all of what I know comes from history books. Please elaborate in how Vietnamese gorilla tactics are different than Iraqi gorilla tactics. I think both are quite similar, but I would like your opinion since you were there.

 

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Killing Iraqi's never bothered me. Killing them to set them free does strike me as counter productive though. Frankly I wouldn't sacrifice one American life for their freedom nor billions of dollars.

I would and did support the Dub invading them to wipe out the Vast Stockpiles of WMDs if they truly existed when we invaded. Of course they don't so it seems I along with Millions of other Americans and Politicians like Colin Powell and John Kerry were duped by the Dub and his cadre of nefarious Neocons.

:beer:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Killing Iraqi's never bothered me. Killing them to set them free does strike me as counter productive though. Frankly I wouldn't sacrifice one American life for their freedom nor billions of dollars.

I'm pretty sure we're just killing the ones firing bullets at our troops. Ass.

Hmmm all those women and children who were killed as a result of collateral damage were enemy combatants? Also because you don't agree with what I have to say you feel it's alright to call me names? Well two can play that game you feeble minded tree swinging flinger of feces

I would and did support the Dub invading them to wipe out the Vast Stockpiles of WMDs if they truly existed when we invaded. Of course they don't so it seems I along with Millions of other Americans and Politicians like Colin Powell and John Kerry were duped by the Dub and his cadre of nefarious Neocons.

Oh, poor Red Dawn was wrong. He must have been duped by those evil neocons. That's right, Red, it's not your fault...you got bad intel. Was G-Dub himself duped by the intelligence community just like you say you were duped by him? Probably, but don't think about that...it makes it sooo much tougher to be a self-righteous condescending ass.[/quote] while it's ok with you to be buffaloed by our leader into supporting an ill conceived military action it isn't with me. And if the Dub was buffaloed himself I guess he's not a very competent leader is he you Anal Retentive Bottom Sniffing Bunghole Yodeler LOL

Iraq was one of those situations, having lost a war and been under requirements by the cease fire agreement and subsequent UN resolutions, where they were required to prove a negative...that they were not a threat and didn't possess WMD. They didn't. Everyone including Hans Blix will tell you that, so the point of whether or not they actually had them is irrelevent. This is a clear and easily understood point which is conveniently ignored by the libbies and I blame Bush for not painting it out in big bold colors so the hordes of nitwits can follow the logic. Then again, truth always did get in the way of political agendas or partisan teamsmanship.

If he had presented his case that way instead of trying to prey on our fears following 9/11 he would never have gotten the support of the American Public to proceed with his ill conceived excellent adventure in Iraq!

 

[Moonbeam]

Come on Red. You know the Neocons had a secret ambition to free the Iraqi peopler and knew the rest of us just didn't have the moral fiber to make that a reality. It's OK to trick people into doing the good they should do anyway. The means justify the ends.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Come on Red. You know the Neocons had a secret ambition to free the Iraqi peopler and knew the rest of us just didn't have the moral fiber to make that a reality. It's OK to trick people into doing the good they should do anyway. The means justify the ends.

OK...nevermind

 

[Moonbeam]

Hehe, never mind. You know, I really don't even know what I think about it. It seems to be that the Iraqi people will be better off, and I know that we will too if it turns out well. Perhaps a democratic Iraq will one day be an invaluable ally. I just don't know. But I'd bet my ass the Neocons don't give a sh!t about the Iraqi people either. It seems to make absolute sense in this world to mind your own business and let others take care of themselves, but I'm glad Saddam's gone. Maybe there were just better ways to take care of the issue, I don't know.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Killing Iraqi's never bothered me. Killing them to set them free does strike me as counter productive though. Frankly I wouldn't sacrifice one American life for their freedom nor billions of dollars.

I'm pretty sure we're just killing the ones firing bullets at our troops. Ass.

Hmmm all those women and children who were killed as a result of collateral damage were enemy combatants? Also because you don't agree with what I have to say you feel it's alright to call me names? Well two can play that game you feeble minded tree swinging flinger of feces

Ignoring the numerous times you've called me names, I'll retract my comment and say, I'm sorry for hurting your feelings...as we all know, good liberals believe that nobody's feeling should ever be hurt regardless of what stupid things they've done unless they're a Republican, but that's not a double standard or anything.

:lips: :heart:

Apologies.