The War is going really well !!!

[NightCrawler]

Pros:

No major chemical attacks on troops.
No bloody seige in bagdad.
Saddam caught and his sons killed.
No civil war between factions.
797 killed in 14 months......very low for a major war.

Cons:

Prison Abuse pics




Despite the rantings of the retired bookselling weasel Generals and anti-war nutjobbers the war has gone pretty damn well.

Vietnam:

250,000 troops sent
58,000 kia

250,000 combat troops at any given time since they served 2 year tours. Fresh troops were rotated in to replace the ones that were going home. Supporting troops add to the total number of troops in theater but they are nurses, doctors, clerks, mechanics, etc.

Hope that clears things up

Gulf 2:

180,000 troops sent
797 kia

 

[Orsorum]

And yet people will still compare it in scope and in importance to WWII.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Well I suppose if you're only talking about the war and how it relates to the US military on the ground in Iraq, then it's going OK. However, there are more cons when looking at the bigger picture.

 

[Czar]

forgetting the con of killing all those iraqis
and that civil war thing has been mostly useful of uniting the three factions against the US in iraq

 

[Steeplerot]

Summertime is almost here talk this noise in a few months when our troops have been in the desert for a year and a half and the natives are even more restless.

 

[NightCrawler]

Originally posted by: steeplerot
Summertime is almost here talk this noise in a few months when our troops have been in the desert for a year and a half and the natives are even more restless.

What...you mean they haven't been restless yet.......truthfully I think they are getting pretty tired.

 

[Steeplerot]

^ note the "even more restless" you just might need a nap it's waaay late here Night Night :laugh:

 

[Red Dawn]

Killing Iraqi's never bothered me. Killing them to set them free does strike me as counter productive though. Frankly I wouldn't sacrifice one American life for their freedom nor billions of dollars.

I would and did support the Dub invading them to wipe out the Vast Stockpiles of WMDs if they truly existed when we invaded. Of course they don't so it seems I along with Millions of other Americans and Politicians like Colin Powell and John Kerry were duped by the Dub and his cadre of nefarious Neocons.

 

[arsbanned]

ditto pretty much everything RD just said.

797 killed in 14 months......very low for a major war.

Major war? Against an enemy who'd been strangled for 12 years? They were defeated before we even started dropping the softening up bombs.

 

[biostud]

I thought the war ended more than a year ago?

 

[PatboyX]

the stats for both vietnam and gulf 1 are moot.
those wars are now over.

 

[arsbanned]

Do the words "Mission Accomplished" mean anything to you?

 

[Red Dawn]

Maybe if Kerry were to win he'd let the Generals who know WTF they are doing wage this war instead of a bunch of Myopic Chickenhawk Politicians like the Dub is doing. Then again he is a Politicians so maybe not!

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Maybe if Kerry were to win he'd let the Generals who know WTF they are doing wage this war instead of a bunch of Myopic Chickenhawk Politicians like the Dub is doing. Then again he is a Politicians so maybe not!

Nah, if this wasn't such a politicized war it wouldn't matter. I don't care who is in office. The first mistake that was made here is that they fell into the trap of politically correct warfare. If Kerry had been in office when this was going on he would have suffered the same fate as Bush is suffering now.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Maybe if Kerry were to win he'd let the Generals who know WTF they are doing wage this war instead of a bunch of Myopic Chickenhawk Politicians like the Dub is doing. Then again he is a Politicians so maybe not!

Nah, if this wasn't such a politicized war it wouldn't matter. I don't care who is in office. The first mistake that was made here is that they fell into the trap of politically correct warfare. If Kerry had been in office when this was going on he would have suffered the same fate as Bush is suffering now.

Sigh..probably.

 

[NeoV]

I have to add a few things -

Vietnam - the battle was against an organized, very potent and large army

Iraq - the battle is not against an army, but small groups of lightly armed men with no air power and no ground armor

Con - fueling anti-american sentiment all over the world
Con - creating how many future terrorists?
Con - making the rest of the world leery of anything our "intelligence" comes up with
Con - fighting a war for what turned out to be no apparent reason

 

[leeboy]

Originally posted by: NightCrawler
Pros:

797 killed in 14 months......very low for a major war.

I am being serious now, too. That is single handedly the most assine statement anyone has ever made on P&N. WTFG.

If you had 800 friends and family in this world and 797 of them just died in a war on lies, I am sure you would have ended your OP title with a few more !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Camparing this campaign to Vietman shows that you learned about war from fragging people online. Remember, when you die in war, you don't respawn 15 seconds later. You are dead.

grow up.

 

[Lonyo]

Con - huge cost

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Killing Iraqi's never bothered me. Killing them to set them free does strike me as counter productive though. Frankly I wouldn't sacrifice one American life for their freedom nor billions of dollars.

I'm pretty sure we're just killing the ones firing bullets at our troops. Ass.

I would and did support the Dub invading them to wipe out the Vast Stockpiles of WMDs if they truly existed when we invaded. Of course they don't so it seems I along with Millions of other Americans and Politicians like Colin Powell and John Kerry were duped by the Dub and his cadre of nefarious Neocons.

Oh, poor Red Dawn was wrong. He must have been duped by those evil neocons. That's right, Red, it's not your fault...you got bad intel. Was G-Dub himself duped by the intelligence community just like you say you were duped by him? Probably, but don't think about that...it makes it sooo much tougher to be a self-righteous condescending ass.

Iraq was one of those situations, having lost a war and been under requirements by the cease fire agreement and subsequent UN resolutions, where they were required to prove a negative...that they were not a threat and didn't possess WMD. They didn't. Everyone including Hans Blix will tell you that, so the point of whether or not they actually had them is irrelevent. This is a clear and easily understood point which is conveniently ignored by the libbies and I blame Bush for not painting it out in big bold colors so the hordes of nitwits can follow the logic. Then again, truth always did get in the way of political agendas or partisan teamsmanship.

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: NightCrawler
Pros:

No major chemical attacks on troops.
No bloody seige in bagdad.
Saddam caught and his sons killed.
No civil war between factions.
797 killed in 14 months......very low for a major war.

Cons:

Prison Abuse pics




Despite the rantings of the retired bookselling weasel Generals and anti-war nutjobbers the war has gone pretty damn well.

Vietnam:

250,000 troops sent
58,000 kia

Gulf 2:

180,000 troops sent
797 kia

Good statistics. :thumbsup:

 

[leeboy]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: NightCrawler
Pros:

No major chemical attacks on troops.
No bloody seige in bagdad.
Saddam caught and his sons killed.
No civil war between factions.
797 killed in 14 months......very low for a major war.

Cons:

Prison Abuse pics




Despite the rantings of the retired bookselling weasel Generals and anti-war nutjobbers the war has gone pretty damn well.

Vietnam:

250,000 troops sent
58,000 kia

Gulf 2:

180,000 troops sent
797 kia

Good statistics. :thumbsup:

Bad statistics :thumbsdown: You are both pulling below 100 on IQ.

In Vietnam, THERE WAS AN ORGANIZED ENEMY

In Iraq, other than the first week of the war, THERE IS NO ORGANIZED ENEMY.

Comparing troup count to death rate shows where abouts on the below 100 IQ scale you both fall. I would wager that you both have an extra 21st chromosome.

 

[irwincur]

Iraq - the battle is not against an army, but small groups of lightly armed men with no air power and no ground armor

You obviously don't know sh1t.

Iraq had the fourth largest standing army in the world. The Republican Guard (120,000) were consdiered to be the most experienced and one of the most dangerous forces in the world. Iraq had more armor and artillary than all of Europe combined.

Some tiny army. The fact that a lot of them did not fight is a testament to 1) planning, 2) deal brokering before the conflict started - two full armies sat the fight out, and 3) planning.

For all those idiots that say Bush didn't have a plan, well you are just that, idiots. I recall hearing Bush tell us three or four times what we were doing over there, how long it was going to take, and what the general process was to be. Add to that the most successful ground war in the history of the world and there most obviously was a damn plan. Democrats are just so damn bitter over this success that they cannot take it.

It's funny that when Kerry gives his plan (not that he has) it is remarkably similar to Bush's. But Kerry claims that he would have the UNs help. It is easier said than done. Bush ahs asked for the UNs help, the UN was there, the UN ran after a sigle bombing. Kerry's plan revolves around his idea of a perfect world that will cooperate totally with him because of his super Ego.



The fact of the matter is this has been the most successful modern war ever, as well as the most successful occupation. Tell the 10,000 US troops that died in Germany after WWII that this is going poorly. How about the 10,000 more that died in Japan after the war due to insurrection. If the liberal media would open their eyes (and actually leave their hotels which they have not done for months) they could possibly report on the 15,000 public works projects that have been completed. But no, they sit back and reprint hateful Al Jazeera news wires as if they are doing their own reporting. If anything is screwed up over there it is the fact that the media seems to be ignoring their jobs and plagerizing hate speech off of the Arabs.

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: leeboy

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: NightCrawler
Pros:

No major chemical attacks on troops.
No bloody seige in bagdad.
Saddam caught and his sons killed.
No civil war between factions.
797 killed in 14 months......very low for a major war.

Cons:

Prison Abuse pics




Despite the rantings of the retired bookselling weasel Generals and anti-war nutjobbers the war has gone pretty damn well.

Vietnam:

250,000 troops sent
58,000 kia

Gulf 2:

180,000 troops sent
797 kia

Good statistics. :thumbsup:

Bad statistics :thumbsdown: You are both pulling below 100 on IQ.

In Vietnam, THERE WAS AN ORGANIZED ENEMY

In Iraq, other than the first week of the war, THERE IS NO ORGANIZED ENEMY.

Comparing troup count to death rate shows where abouts on the below 100 IQ scale you both fall. I would wager that you both have an extra 21st chromosome.

I disagree. There is no organized Iraqi army right now, but there is still an organized enemy. Al-Sadr's militia men are quite organized in their attacks. Also Al Queda and fighters from other nations are organized pockets of resistance. The attacks against 4 US contractors in Fallujah was thought to be a well setup booby trap involving blockades and fake Iraqi policemen. These are not just angry ordinary Iraqi's picking up AK47's and spraying streets. These are former Baathists and foreign fighters operating in small cells with high levels of organization.

Can we please be civil and stop with the name calling and attacks? leeboy, I understand you don't like me, but attack the message, not the messanger.

 

[leeboy]

Originally posted by: irwincur

Iraq - the battle is not against an army, but small groups of lightly armed men with no air power and no ground armor

You obviously don't know sh1t.

Iraq had the fourth largest standing army in the world. The Republican Guard (120,000) were consdiered to be the most experienced and one of the most dangerous forces in the world. Iraq had more armor and artillary than all of Europe combined.

Some tiny army. The fact that a lot of them did not fight is a testament to 1) planning, 2) deal brokering before the conflict started - two full armies sat the fight out, and 3) planning.

For all those idiots that say Bush didn't have a plan, well you are just that, idiots. I recall hearing Bush tell us three or four times what we were doing over there, how long it was going to take, and what the general process was to be. Add to that the most successful ground war in the history of the world and there most obviously was a damn plan. Democrats are just so damn bitter over this success that they cannot take it.

It's funny that when Kerry gives his plan (not that he has) it is remarkably similar to Bush's. But Kerry claims that he would have the UNs help. It is easier said than done. Bush ahs asked for the UNs help, the UN was there, the UN ran after a sigle bombing. Kerry's plan revolves around his idea of a perfect world that will cooperate totally with him because of his super Ego.



The fact of the matter is this has been the most successful modern war ever, as well as the most successful occupation. Tell the 10,000 US troops that died in Germany after WWII that this is going poorly. How about the 10,000 more that died in Japan after the war due to insurrection. If the liberal media would open their eyes (and actually leave their hotels which they have not done for months) they could possibly report on the 15,000 public works projects that have been completed. But no, they sit back and reprint hateful Al Jazeera news wires as if they are doing their own reporting. If anything is screwed up over there it is the fact that the media seems to be ignoring their jobs and plagerizing hate speech off of the Arabs.

*cookie*

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: NightCrawler
Pros:

No major chemical attacks on troops.
No bloody seige in bagdad.
Saddam caught and his sons killed.
No civil war between factions.
797 killed in 14 months......very low for a major war.

Cons:

Prison Abuse pics




Despite the rantings of the retired bookselling weasel Generals and anti-war nutjobbers the war has gone pretty damn well.

Vietnam:

250,000 troops sent
58,000 kia

Gulf 2:

180,000 troops sent
797 kia

Cons:

Prisoner Abuse
Bloody siege in Fallujah
Halliburton price gouging
Kickbacks
Inadaquate Size of military forces
191 billion dollars
No WMD Stockpiles
Scandal in Iraqi Governing Council
5500 Iraqi Civilians dead
797 dead american soldiers... most of which were killed after major military operations announced over... very high for a 'peaceful occupation'
repeated Oil infrastructure sabotage
...