The War in Iraq could determine if the US draft is reinstated...

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: Jzero

May i ask why i win that prize? please explain, i would LOVE to hear it... thank you beforehand...

Too drunk to find the potato chips, too drunk to post. Although honorable mention is added for being a complete choad.

Wear it with pride 😀

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B.....E
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oooohhhh, i am drunk, you are sober, and still, you cannot come up with a good answer? (i wouldn't ever eat potato chips)

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Stark
if they have a draft, I will be the first in line for the protest march in washington.

Do you really mean that you're only going to protest if it comes down to your own life being on the line, but as long as you can sit home in relative safety while others risk their lives, you aren't going to protest?

no, i'm 30 and don't need to worry about being drafted. If there was a need for soldiers, I would enlist. A draft would be about the dumbest thing the president or the government could ever do. When American citizens are inspired to fight, history has shown they can not be defeated. When they are not inspired, they can help divide the country's will and give legitimacy to anti-war rhetoric (thinking through it now I probably wouldn't protest unless the demonstration was specifically targeted at the draft).

One of the worst things about Vietnam was that kids were forced by their country to go and die. If they refused, they were labeled unamerican traitors. That's not what the USA is about. We're not in Israel with enemies surrounding us and where military service is mandatory.

Saddam is like Hitler in many ways, but Iraq is not even close to the threat the Axis posed in terms of the amount of manpower needed to defeat it.

So why DONT YOU ENLIST? Tell them what you think!

Scared shitless, does that describe the sifuation?

no, that's not the sifuation... troops are on iraq's border NOW, genius! I don't think enlisting will do a whole lot for the war effort now. By the time they trained me to do something worthwhile Saddam will be a bomb crater. Plus I don't think my wife or work would appreciate the move.

I'm all in favor of the men who make the choice to join the military, but it was never even a faint calling for me. If there was ever a need, however, I'd enlist just like my grandfathers did back in the 40's.

Yes, of course you would enlist, so when did it strike you that this was for a good cause? this moment or earlier, and why didn't you enlist then?

It's easy sitting behind your keyboard and thinking... KILL... KILL.KILL... isn't it?

have you had your head implanted up your sphincter for the past year and a half?

After 9/11 lots of people were willing to enlist in the military... I thought about it myself. But the special ops forces we had were all that was needed to take care of the Taliban in Afghanistan. Iraq is a target that's been simmering on the backburner for awhile and now is a major target... not exactly the same as the Germans or Japanese after Pearl Harbor.

We have the soldiers trained to take care of these situations. When the Army says it needs middle-aged, out of shape, computer geeks to help win a war, you may have a valid argument. Until then you need to take a midol and cool your jets.

 

[UncleWai]

Double citizenship rocks,
I am flying my Chinese @$$ back to HK if draft is reinstated.

 

[iwearnosox]

I love people that think debating on the internet is somehow a useful thing.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
the draft is a good thing, it should be mandatory.

How is it a good thing?
History has proven time and again that a drafted (or slave) army doesn't stand a chance against an army of volunteers. Draftees are usually only good for cannon fodder.

How so? 60% of the US miltary who served in WWII were draftees.

 

[Jzero]

oooohhhh, i am drunk, you are sober, and still, you cannot come up with a good answer? (i wouldn't ever eat potato chips)

You are being a complete choad. We're pretty much arguing in favor of the same concept, the difference is I'm not a dick about it.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: Jzero

oooohhhh, i am drunk, you are sober, and still, you cannot come up with a good answer? (i wouldn't ever eat potato chips)

You are being a complete choad. We're pretty much arguing in favor of the same concept, the difference is I'm not a dick about it.

So when will you enlist then?

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: Jzero

oooohhhh, i am drunk, you are sober, and still, you cannot come up with a good answer? (i wouldn't ever eat potato chips)

You are being a complete choad. We're pretty much arguing in favor of the same concept, the difference is I'm not a dick about it.

So when will you enlist then?

I don't recall stating whether or not I was in favor of a war to begin with.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Stark
if they have a draft, I will be the first in line for the protest march in washington.

Do you really mean that you're only going to protest if it comes down to your own life being on the line, but as long as you can sit home in relative safety while others risk their lives, you aren't going to protest?

no, i'm 30 and don't need to worry about being drafted. If there was a need for soldiers, I would enlist. A draft would be about the dumbest thing the president or the government could ever do. When American citizens are inspired to fight, history has shown they can not be defeated. When they are not inspired, they can help divide the country's will and give legitimacy to anti-war rhetoric (thinking through it now I probably wouldn't protest unless the demonstration was specifically targeted at the draft).

One of the worst things about Vietnam was that kids were forced by their country to go and die. If they refused, they were labeled unamerican traitors. That's not what the USA is about. We're not in Israel with enemies surrounding us and where military service is mandatory.

Saddam is like Hitler in many ways, but Iraq is not even close to the threat the Axis posed in terms of the amount of manpower needed to defeat it.

So why DONT YOU ENLIST? Tell them what you think!

Scared shitless, does that describe the sifuation?

no, that's not the sifuation... troops are on iraq's border NOW, genius! I don't think enlisting will do a whole lot for the war effort now. By the time they trained me to do something worthwhile Saddam will be a bomb crater. Plus I don't think my wife or work would appreciate the move.

I'm all in favor of the men who make the choice to join the military, but it was never even a faint calling for me. If there was ever a need, however, I'd enlist just like my grandfathers did back in the 40's.

Yes, of course you would enlist, so when did it strike you that this was for a good cause? this moment or earlier, and why didn't you enlist then?

It's easy sitting behind your keyboard and thinking... KILL... KILL.KILL... isn't it?

have you had your head implanted up your sphincter for the past year and a half?

After 9/11 lots of people were willing to enlist in the military... I thought about it myself. But the special ops forces we had were all that was needed to take care of the Taliban in Afghanistan. Iraq is a target that's been simmering on the backburner for awhile and now is a major target... not exactly the same as the Germans or Japanese after Pearl Harbor.

We have the soldiers trained to take care of these situations. When the Army says it needs middle-aged, out of shape, computer geeks to help win a war, you may have a valid argument. Until then you need to take a midol and cool your jets.

So when will you enlist?

Won't even try? ok, thought so...

 

[Ryan]

SnapIT feels as if he is above us all because he's going to be a "peacekeeper" if their is a war.

I still don't understand how he can be of much help if he has his head stuck up his ass 😕

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: Jzero

oooohhhh, i am drunk, you are sober, and still, you cannot come up with a good answer? (i wouldn't ever eat potato chips)

You are being a complete choad. We're pretty much arguing in favor of the same concept, the difference is I'm not a dick about it.

So when will you enlist then?

I don't recall stating whether or not I was in favor of a war to begin with.

Nah, sorry... you didn't... i apologize

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
the draft is a good thing, it should be mandatory.

How is it a good thing?
History has proven time and again that a drafted (or slave) army doesn't stand a chance against an army of volunteers. Draftees are usually only good for cannon fodder.

How so? 60% of the US miltary who served in WWII were draftees.

The book Band of Brothers explains this pretty well. Those guys were motivated to fight and get back home. Most of them hated the army, but they were committed to each other and their country. They knew what they were fighting for and wanted to do it right or not do it at all. Those were the kinds of citizen soldiers who won the war for us.

Vietnam showed that forcing citizens to die for their country in an undeclared war did as much harm to the country as it helped.

 

[Brutuskend]

Been there and done that and I have the "T" shirt (well uniform anyway).

Back in the NAM days.

You younger guys are going to have to sort it out for yourselves this time.

Good luck!

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: rbloedow
SnapIT feels as if he is above us all because he's going to be a "peacekeeper" if their is a war.

I still don't understand how he can be of much help if he has his head stuck up his ass 😕

And your sorry little but will be where? behind the keyboard... but oh, you are sooo for the war... while polishing your nails...

One would believe that as a Swede (a drunk swede even) i wouldn't have to correct you... "if their is a war"? ehhh... i don't get that...

 

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
I love people that think debating on the internet is somehow a useful thing.

It is for these simple reasons.

1. They go on forever
2. Nobody is gonna break your face
3. No bad breath
4. ???
5. Refer to above

 

[SuperGroove]

stupidest thing ever.


War is stupid...for you to make thread insinuating that 18-25yo would get their sh*t together if we went to war is stupid. Teaching young adults that their sh*t does indeed smell at the expense of lives...


Man...and I thought I was stupid.

 

[GamblingIdiot]

I'm in college. I don't have time for some god damn war. If they reinstate the draft I'm moving to Canada to continue my studies. :|

 

[datalink7]

SnapIT,

Even if you don't go to sign up, you can still be for the war and against the draft. I don't see where there is a problem...?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
the draft is a good thing, it should be mandatory.

How is it a good thing?
History has proven time and again that a drafted (or slave) army doesn't stand a chance against an army of volunteers. Draftees are usually only good for cannon fodder.

How so? 60% of the US miltary who served in WWII were draftees.

The book Band of Brothers explains this pretty well. Those guys were motivated to fight and get back home. Most of them hated the army, but they were committed to each other and their country. They knew what they were fighting for and wanted to do it right or not do it at all. Those were the kinds of citizen soldiers who won the war for us.

Vietnam showed that forcing citizens to die for their country in an undeclared war did as much harm to the country as it helped.

Exactly. Thanks.
It's not so much just the draft but whether the soldiers wish to fight or not. In Vietnam, our drafted soldiers for the most part did not wish to fight, while the Vietnamese were dedicated to their fight. Same thing happened to the USSR in Afghanistan. The best soldier is the one who is fighting to defend his country, whose heart is in the battle. That occurred with the soldiers in WWII, despite the high numbers of draftees. OTOH, slave soldiers fighting simply for some political leader's whims are the worst soldiers of all. Win, lose, what do they care as long as they get out alive...

 

[Konigin]

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
the draft is a good thing, it should be mandatory.

Most countries have it, we really have it easy, and then we cry when we feel like our loafing will be threatened.

 

[Red Dawn]

Most of the other countries that have the draft don't seem to be as Warlike as the US. You get drafted in the US Army the odds are you are going to be facing the angry end of a gun barrel. Now if you get drafted and are given the same perks as those who enlist that could be a blessing in disguise for some Slacker but the last time we had a draft those who were drafted were just cannon fodder for those in Power and the Lobbyist who were making big bucks from war. If they made it out of Viet Nam the Government gave them a big F.U. without even a kiss and forgot about them.

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Most of the other countries that have the draft don't seem to be as Warlike as the US. You get drafted in the US Army the odds are you are going to be facing the angry end of a gun barrel. Now if you get drafted and are given the same perks as those who enlist that could be a blessing in disguise for some Slacker but the last time we had a draft those who were drafted were just cannon fodder for those in Power and the Lobbyist who were making big bucks from war. If they made it out of Viet Nam the Government gave them a big F.U. without even a kiss and forgot about them.

France has a professional (ie., non-draft/conscript) military these days. Last I heard, Germany was working towards that if they haven't already. Russia is also attempting to move to a professional military, though their lack of money makes it difficult (well, there's also the @ss-raping that keeps guys away...)

Conscription doesn't work, plain and simple. Further, it's also not needed for manning purposes and is detrimental for training purposes. The U.S. military is working toward a smaller and more lethal force which will rely heavily on unmanned or robotic equipment and less on forward deployed bases that suck up support manpower. The equipment we use today is exceptionally complicated, and the systems we use to fight take time to comprehend to be utilized effectively.

In short, there's a fairly steep learning curve in order to maximize our resources. When you throw in unmotivated troops, you receive unmotivated performance and subpar utilization of resources. When you compound that with the enormous effort that would be needed to continually train and equip new troops serving short tours, the strain on the services would show up in diminished mission effectiveness and dead troops.

THE - DRAFT - WILL - NOT - HAPPEN - AGAIN.