The Walking Dead - season 6 discussion thread

[Leyawiin]

Sad part is we've got two to three seasons before Negan is successfully dealt with. I don't think I can stand a stagnant storyline for that long. The Governor about did me in waiting for him to bite it (never saw a character escape death so many times).

 

[Cappuccino]

I know a little bit, I know where we’re going. I’ve got a stack of the “Walking Dead” comic books next to my bed here. I think we’re going to stick pretty close to what you see in the graphic novel with this character because he’s so iconic to this world, so this storyline is going to stay true. From what I understand talking to Scott Gimple and Robert Kirkman, we’re gonna try and keep it pretty close. I think that’s something to be able to look forward to because it’s a great storyline.

Yep it's 110% confirmed.

Spoiler

Glenn

is dead 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁
My fav character. RIP. Internet will go wild when ep 1 is out! 🙁

 

[Charmonium]

Sad part is we've got two to three seasons before Negan is successfully dealt with. I don't think I can stand a stagnant storyline for that long. The Governor about did me in waiting for him to bite it (never saw a character escape death so many times).

You would hope that they don't resolve it the same way at least. I mean, they've put all of this time and energy in creating this atmosphere of moral uncertainty, it would be nice to work that into Negan's story line rather than just have another epic battle where he gets killed. I don't know how he's dealt with in the comics but I hope it's a little more imaginative than that.

 

[Childs]

I believe Eugene said 23 miles last night. I'm pretty sure he was referring to the distance between the two camps.

Alexandria is a pretty major city in VA and there would be a considerable number of ways to get from there to most places within 25 miles. They were trying to go north, so I assume Hilltop is somewhere between Reston and Leesburg.

It looks like Hilltop is 20 miles from Alexandria according to the wikis. There still might be only a few viable routes if you remove the major roads. If the characters in the show are looking at a map and choosing backroads, I assume the Saviors would have the same reasoning. From what we see in the TV show a blockade could work.

The thing about the TV series is that they make every settlement appear in a rural setting, but looking at a map, Alexandria and the surrounding areas is fairly developed. I thought this setting was similar to some place like in NJ, where you have these long stretches of green land thats either undeveloped or farm land. It made sense the settlement was on the outer rim of Alexandria, and there was nothing major between cities. In reality its looks like traveling in the Bay Area, where the cities just blend together. At least within a 20 mile radius.

 

[duragezic]

So who the heck was the guy they were chasing threw the woods then beat on the road? Someone from the Hilltop I guess?

Also what was with Dwight when Daryl first met him? He and the girls seemed to be trying to get away from the Saviors. Now he's tight with them? You'd think he'd be pushing Negan to take out Eugene for what he did, LOL.

And yeah, I'm very curious who the guys were with the horses and armor. I'm guessing some other group that might team up with Rick's group to take down Negan and crew.

 

[Imp]

I don't think I can stand a stagnant storyline for that long. The Governor about did me in waiting for him to bite it (never saw a character escape death so many times).

I hated the Governor seasons. Looks like I'll hate the next season then.

Also not understanding this whole "Negan is so badass" thing. Waiting for someone to frag him or put a cap in his ass, sooner the better.

P.S. Saw someone mention on some other site that Enid told Lauren Cohan to eat, then gave her a jar of pickles, and then she got sick. Then she told one-eye to not go. Circumstantial or she up to something... Can't think up names right now, other half of screen is in French, brain is fried.

 

[Phoenix86]

I hated the Governor seasons. Looks like I'll hate the next season then.

Also not understanding this whole "Negan is so badass" thing. Waiting for someone to frag him or put a cap in his ass, sooner the better.

P.S. Saw someone mention on some other site that Enid told Lauren Cohan to eat, then gave her a jar of pickles, and then she got sick. Then she told one-eye to not go. Circumstantial or she up to something... Can't think up names right now, other half of screen is in French, brain is fried.

I'm guessing this will be different than the governor, Negan will make them submit.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I find it funny everyone complaining about the cliff hanger. That is what TV shows do, and you know what? Everyone will come back to see who it was. That's why they do it.

I liked the episode except for (1) how did they know where they were going and (2) hoe did Rick not see that coming (3) If Negans group was so large, how did they not know about Ricks group until he killed a bunch of them. Seriously are we supposed to believe that group is THAT well organized, but didn't know about a small group and the LAST batch of bad people they blew up?

It's kind of too bad it wasn't the series finale. When they were surrounded, they could have just cowboyed it:

Negan: "on your knees"
Rick: "Nah, we are all going to die, but a whole lot of you are going to go with us."

then just empty their clips...

As the last of Ricks group hits the ground, fade to black.

 

[Ferzerp]

Saw someone mention on some other site that Enid told Lauren Cohan to eat, then gave her a jar of pickles, and then she got sick. Then she told one-eye to not go. Circumstantial or she up to something... Can't think up names right now, other half of screen is in French, brain is fried.

Yeah, I hadn't picked Enid out, but all the questions about how they knew when they'd head to Hilltop to me said traitor.

 

[Imp]

I liked the episode except for (1) how did they know where they were going and (2) hoe did Rick not see that coming (3) If Negans group was so large, how did they not know about Ricks group until he killed a bunch of them. Seriously are we supposed to believe that group is THAT well organized, but didn't know about a small group and the LAST batch of bad people they blew up?

On the road, it was maybe semi-believable because there are only so many roads.

How the hell did they know that they would get out of their RV, how did they know which off-road path they would take, how did they know the path they would take would have a clearing, how did they get into that clearing with a bunch of vehicles and make no noise. Bull. Shit.

And we're supposed to believe a bunch of rag-tag bandits whom Rick's been killing en masse are that quiet, skilled, and organized. Fuq off, now you're just insulting me.

 

[Kaido]

On the road, it was maybe semi-believable because there are only so many roads.

Remember with the red-haired lady from Negan's group? They had radios & used codes and stuff to communicate. They're pretty well-organized, and also indoctrinated through fear, so they have a huge advantage in terms of communication & coordination.

They really pushed the point that Rick has been being too cocky for the finale.

 

[Kaido]

imo...they should have shown who Negan killed. Then that gives us, the fans, the next six months to stew about it & really grow to hate Negan. I'm wondering if they killed off a secondary character like Abraham or Sasha or Rosita too, instead of a main character.

I'm also curious about what the long-term gameplan is. The Governor storyline dragged on forever, but the Terminus storyline ended way too quickly for all the build-up they did. Obviously Negan is going to kill one of their people to make an example of them, and Rick is going to chafe under their rule & plot to kill them all, but he's going to have to change tactics to do it...he can't just cowboy things up anymore because from what we've seen of Negan's group, he has at least 100 people and probably a lot more, considering Rick's group took out the biker gang, plus the group at the compound, which was at least 20 people, which would be a much bigger hit if Negan has less than 100 people. Plus, we're talking about having survived 2 years in this world...he's got pretty merry band of hardcore dudes in his group, and most people they run into are going to be hardcore for having survived so long, versus Rick's group, half of which are pretty weak townsfolk who have minimal gun training.

I'm thinking Rick is going to have to team up with other camps to get power in numbers to overtake Negan's group. Kill the head & the bulk of the crew, and let the rest scatter off. Then they can resume trading etc. with the other groups.

 

[Imp]

Remember with the red-haired lady from Negan's group? They had radios & used codes and stuff to communicate. They're pretty well-organized, and also indoctrinated through fear, so they have a huge advantage in terms of communication & coordination.

They really pushed the point that Rick has been being too cocky for the finale.

They say they are coordinated, but up until the finale, all I saw was sheer incompetence...

Rick's score:
- dozens of Saviors in their sleep and/or in their home base
- red-haired lady plus three friends
- red-haired lady's back-up burned alive
- about four of Dwight's crew despite getting the drop
- Half-dozen that stopped Carol
- Entire motorcycle gang in one explosion

Saviors:
- Christine
- somewhat wounded Carol?
- captured Lauren Cohan and Carol but got away.

Edit: Believable would have been Negan's group attacking. They clearly had numbers. Ambush Rick's group, Rick kills a bunch and runs out of ammo, they surrender and end up in a clearing where Negan's setup camp. Incompetent to ninja in one episode = too big a stretch.

 

[Kaido]

They say they are coordinated, but up until the finale, all I saw was sheer incompetence...

Rick's score:
- dozens of Saviors in their sleep and/or in their home base
- red-haired lady plus three friends
- red-haired lady's back-up burned alive
- about four of Dwight's crew despite getting the drop
- Half-dozen that stopped Carol
- Entire motorcycle gang in one explosion

Saviors:
- Christine
- somewhat wounded Carol?
- captured Lauren Cohan and Carol but got away.

A few points on that though:

1. They seem to travel in gang packs of 5, 10, or 20 people. So a group can get killed, which is a risk, but not the whole army.

2. They seemed to be giving Dwight a chance at redemption by proving himself. He caught Daryl & was also a part of the finale in the big group of Negan's men.

3. They have a specific methodology that can be exploited - they travel in packs & try to work through intimidation & fear. That made it easy for Daryl to take out the motorcycle crew in one shot with the RPG.

I rolled my eyes that they threw nearly all of the main characters into a single RV for a trip, I mean, come on...why would you take all of your best fighters out of the safe place, into a single vehicle, across a long stretch of road filled with question marks? I'm willing to roll with it, if the next season pans out. I'm hoping that it will be a solid one-season fight...not an endless Governor battle and not a quick 3-episode Terminus die-off, despite the build-up. Enough to keep you interested, but not sick of it & not saddened by how quickly it ended.

 

[ultimatebob]

They say they are coordinated, but up until the finale, all I saw was sheer incompetence...

Rick's score:
- dozens of Saviors in their sleep and/or in their home base
- red-haired lady plus three friends
- red-haired lady's back-up burned alive
- about four of Dwight's crew despite getting the drop
- Half-dozen that stopped Carol
- Entire motorcycle gang in one explosion

Saviors:
- Christine
- somewhat wounded Carol?
- captured Lauren Cohan and Carol but got away.



Edit: Believable would have been Negan's group attacking. They clearly had numbers. Ambush Rick's group, Rick kills a bunch and runs out of ammo, they surrender and end up in a clearing where Negan's setup camp. Incompetent to ninja in one episode = too big a stretch.

What can I say... Negan knows talent when he sees it! If he did get Rick's group to join him (fat chance!) they could probably take over most of Virginia.

 

[Imp]

P.S. Total cop-out would be having Aaron die. Have we even seen his partner since last season?

 

[ImpulsE69]

Saw this funny comment:

RIP Camera man 1. Your POV shots were legendary and was easily the best acting of the season.

 

[Strk]

What can I say... Negan knows talent when he sees it! If he did get Rick's group to join him (fat chance!) they could probably take over most of Virginia.

I was going to post this. Negan even says he doesn't want them dead.

 

[Nebor]

Should have gone out in a gunfight when they were surrounded. The Saviors would have hammered each other with crossfire. And don't they remember what happened when they gave up their guns at Terminus? Better to die on your feet.

 

[Imp]

Read it somewhere else...

Go rewatch those first-person scenes in the finale where someone's in a cage with light seeping in. Then watch the order in which the people in the cage come out at the end. Fairly good indication of who gets it.

 

[pontifex]

Read it somewhere else...

Go rewatch those first-person scenes in the finale where someone's in a cage with light seeping in. Then watch the order in which the people in the cage come out at the end. Fairly good indication of who gets it.

That was michonne darryl rosita and glen. I think glen was last one out. Are you saying the first-person cage person is the first-person bat to the head person?

 

[destrekor]

That was michonne darryl rosita and glen. I think glen was last one out. Are you saying the first-person cage person is the first-person bat to the head person?

I think that's what he's arguing, and it makes sense, because they don't really do a lot of first-person in the show, so it was one character the whole time.

But I can't remember that sequence now... did that moment show the others leaving from the point of view of the first-person camera? As if that was definitely just a single person who's head we were in?

I thought there was only one person who left the cage in first-person, but I can't recall exactly.

 

[Kaido]

RIP Camera man 1. Your POV shots were legendary and was easily the best acting of the season.

Hahaha :thumbsup:

 

[CZroe]

Gah! I wanted to rip my hair out listening to the super cliche "But I wanna go!" "No! You have to stay because... reasons!" exchanges over and over and over again. First, Carl and "JSS" girl who goes out more confidently and often than him, then Mr. and Ms. "package deal," then Mr. Mullet having to convince Mr. Beard that he can do it so he should go.

How many times have we had to sit through that exact conversation?! It's done to death and suddenly we get an episode where half the damn episode is people appealing to go while being discouraged by others.

I thought it was funny that Carl locked her in a closet that she obviously can't easily get out of and his answer to "what if you don't come back?" is "J.ust S.urvive S.omehow." Wow! That's going to be easy to do while locked in a closet. 🙄

Fake drama is fake.

 

[CZroe]

Holy crap I hope those Saviors in the woods were trying NOT to hit Ricks group, as that was just horrible. If you can't hit somebody from 50' with a full auto, you obviously intend to allow them to live for one reason or another.

He said that they were not trying to hit them because they were shooting at the ground. There was an SFX cloud at their feet but then they had the bright idea to have Rick's hatchet shot out of his hand. STUPID!

That's kind of bullshit... That they're that well organized, that quiet, that well trained, and that good at predicting what someone else will do.

They were covering all of the routes. They only needed to know one thing: Where they were trying to go.

Little did they know that Negan has access to the military's satellite and drone systems and can track people on foot, at night, to within a couple of feet. This whole episode has been awful.

There were only a few routes and they blocked all of them. What's so hard to understand about that? It's not like Eugene was the only person in the world who had/could read a map.

Seriously, A leads to B because we need B.

These people got massacred three times by Rick's group and completely botched a situation where they got the drop on the other guys... But suddenly they broke out the ninjas who get the drop on everyone and have crystal balls.

I thought the bridge hanging scene was pretty stupid. Not sure why they wouldn't assume that there's someone up there before ever approaching Savior Wall. That fire looked incredibly fake too.

Simply replace Negan with the CEO of AMC and you'll understand why this episode ended in a cliff hanger.

Guess what cast of TWD -- you all just became expendable (besides Rick and Carl) and if you want to play hardball with contract negotiations then your character was the one that fed Lucille.

THAT'S why so many felt sick after reading the script! They all saw it as the end of their bargaining positions for Season 7.

I thought it was a pretty good episode until they undermined everything in the last seconds with that cheap cliffhanger crap.

Really? What else was good about that episode? All the "But I wanna gooooo!" whining? Please. Bad episode is bad.

I have to say, they did a good job setting up Negan at the end there. The scene was full of tension and it was working. Why they went with that cliff hanger was beyond stupid. All it did was fuck up Negan's entrance. What should have been a break with people talking about how much of a bad ass and how dangerous Negan was, is now "who got hit?" It's such a shame. The worst part for me personally is, I shouldn't be surprised. It's beyond laughable at this stage on how bad this show is becoming in terms of surprise.

Also, what is this show's obsession on creating characters that don't want to kill? They always go one of two ways, they're ether broken down and become killers saying "gee, I guess I was wrong" or they're just killed off proving to everyone else they were wrong. How many more times are we going to do that dance. Carol being the latest is even stupider as there isn't really any real reason for it. At least Murder-Stick Morgan had a reason for not wanting to kill, even if they threw that out the window and firmly put him in the "gee, I guess I was wrong" camp tonight.

The only really good thing I can see that came out of this is Comicbookresources had a recap article called "The Walking Dead Recap: "Last Day on Earth" Trolls fans in season finale. At last that title made me chuckle a bit. Outside of that I'm back to hoping the woman gives up on the show so I can just move on..

Next week on the Walking Dead.. Rick's group wander around the woods wondering how they're going to cope with the loss of a camera man after his brutal murder.

It's like they think it's an endless source of entertainment. Seeing Morgan come full circle like EVERY OTHER character who has had such a hang-up seals it for me: When they have nothing else to do with a character they just tick off that bullet point and give them a personal crisis/change-of-heart plot. 🙄