The Walking Dead - season 6 discussion thread

[Jeeebus]

So... were we supposed to assume that Denise knew the people at the pharmacy? Her reaction to everything, the makeshift cast on the dead person's leg, her hesitation about never being 'out there,'... all of that had me thinking we were in for backstory before she took an arrow to the eye.

 

[drquest]

So... were we supposed to assume that Denise knew the people at the pharmacy? Her reaction to everything, the makeshift cast on the dead person's leg, her hesitation about never being 'out there,'... all of that had me thinking we were in for backstory before she took an arrow to the eye.

No I didn't take it as she knew them. This was one of her first real experiences in the new world and she was taken aback about what she was seeing and was trying to process it.

 

[PokerGuy]

No I didn't take it as she knew them. This was one of her first real experiences in the new world and she was taken aback about what she was seeing and was trying to process it.

When she was looking at the pictures etc I kind of got the impression she knew something more than what was let on and I expected a zombie of someone she knew would sneak up on her or something... I thought there would be some additional story, but based on her getting the arrow not too long after, I guess you're right, it was just to illustrate her trying to come to grips with what the world is like now.

 

[CZroe]

Basic black powder shouldn't be that much of a challenge but I don't know how that compares to the smokeless powder used now. The primer could definitely be a challenge. Even if you go back to mercury fulminate you still need to find mercury and nitric acid. You can probably make the latter but finding mercury would definitely be difficult.

And even if you can synthesize the primer, that shit is seriously dangerous to work with.

Walter White blew up a whole bag of the crystallized stuff (fulminated mercury) and survived. Seems pretty tame.

Actually, they implied that the explosion was from one small crystal but with all the rest in the same bag it would have been part of the same explosion.

 

[CZroe]

Bullet farmers!



I'd expect they know of and possibly where Alexandria (roughly?) is by now. It's a named place on existing maps, although they might not know the name.

It was an unfinished subdivision. It would not be on any maps. Stumbling into the closest city is easy. Stumbling into the right subdivision is hard.

They know where Gregory's (?) settlement is. Jesus knows where Alexandria is, so that's a pretty easy way to get in.







Realistically, yes. I doubt they county where they film the show will let them though.

That would be my small county: Coweta. "Small" because Georgia has about 160 counties and they all have to be pretty tiny compared to most states (disproportionate to the land area). I don't know what the rules are but I doubt they can stop you from building a moat when everything used to be a swamp anyway.

 

[destrekor]

It was an unfinished subdivision. It would not be on any maps. Stumbling into the closest city is easy. Stumbling into the right subdivision is hard.




That would be my small county: Coweta. "Small" because Georgia has about 160 counties and they all have to be pretty tiny compared to most states (disproportionate to the land area). I don't know what the rules are but I doubt they can stop you from building a moat when everything used to be a swamp anyway.

Well the production company owns the land, so if they wanted to, so long as it stayed within regulation/code, I'm sure they could do so just fine. Developments create ponds, ditches, and streams all the time. It's just a matter if they would want to, and if they are trying to keep to the story, if it wasn't in the source they probably won't consider it for that kind of plot element. Small things, sure, but a compound protected by a moat when that wasn't in the story is a pretty large change, and definitely changes the defensive measures completely, impacting future plot.

 

[Phoenix86]

I'm pretty sure they said it was an unfinished subdivision, which makes it unlikely to exist on maps. It's not like finding the city means finding the subdivision.

Ah right, I forgot it was a subdivision not a town.

 

[CZroe]

Anyone else notice that she only puked on her glasses so that they wouldn't complicate the special effect of the arrow through the eye when she was killed? We all should have known then!

 

[gorcorps]

Abraham's lines are getting more yokel with every episode

 

[Eug]

They've had some helmet-headed zombies. But that one looked like it was just solid metal that was liquid and then hardened on the head, like he fell in or had it poured on him.

Exactly. As if they're setting up for a source of metal and the various equipment for making bullets or shot gun pellets.

So... were we supposed to assume that Denise knew the people at the pharmacy? Her reaction to everything, the makeshift cast on the dead person's leg, her hesitation about never being 'out there,'... all of that had me thinking we were in for backstory before she took an arrow to the eye.

I don't think she knew anyone there, but I too was thinking that this was a backstory episode, so the arrow to the eye caught me totally off guard.

Or maybe they're trying to create a new meme. Arrow to the... eye...

Anyone else notice that she only puked on her glasses so that they wouldn't complicate the special effect of the arrow through the eye when she was killed? We all should have known then!

 

[CZroe]

Abraham's lines are getting more yokel with every episode

That's because viewers respond positively to it. We can't get enough! Eugene sure knows "how to bite a dick."

 

[Charmonium]

Walter White blew up a whole bag of the crystallized stuff (fulminated mercury) and survived. Seems pretty tame.

Actually, they implied that the explosion was from one small crystal but with all the rest in the same bag it would have been part of the same explosion.

You're probably trolling me but if not, I don't think you want to take anything you see on tv too literally.
:whiste:

 

[CZroe]

Basic black powder shouldn't be that much of a challenge but I don't know how that compares to the smokeless powder used now. The primer could definitely be a challenge. Even if you go back to mercury fulminate you still need to find mercury and nitric acid. You can probably make the latter but finding mercury would definitely be difficult.

And even if you can synthesize the primer, that shit is seriously dangerous to work with.

Walter White blew up a whole bag of the crystallized stuff (fulminated mercury) and survived. Seems pretty tame.

Actually, they implied that the explosion was from one small crystal but with all the rest in the same bag it would have been part of the same explosion.

You're probably trolling me but if not, I don't think you want to take anything you see on tv too literally.
:whiste:

The wink indicates sarcasm. The explosion had a Howard Dean scream added in. I don't think anyone was meant to take it seriously if the producers didn't. To me, I considered it a silly plot hole/oversight, which is why I mentioned it.

I'm sure they'll Walter White some when they need it. After all, the Confederacy made their bullets from wood and bat guano during the Civil War and it seems that Eugene's will be a cut above those at least.

When I used "Walter White" as a verb for preparing fulminated mercury as primer using limited resources, I was pointing out that another AMC show has already demonstrated someone making his own homemade version of the very product we were saying their ammunition would require. If a smart guy making it at home was good enough for Breaking Bad, it's good enough for The Walking Dead.

Edit:
http://youtu.be/sGN3SBVIjjA

Notice: the rest of the bag is unexploded and he threatens them with it even though it was just subject to a lot more force than dropping it would do. Listen for the Howard Dean scream at about 1:07.

 

[Charmonium]

Sorry. Smilie didn't register.

 

[Imp]

That would be my small county: Coweta. "Small" because Georgia has about 160 counties and they all have to be pretty tiny compared to most states (disproportionate to the land area). I don't know what the rules are but I doubt they can stop you from building a moat when everything used to be a swamp anyway.

I was thinking more about the trees... It's a bitch to cut down trees in my city, but I think easier out in rural areas. Still, do you hate the earth and love carbon dioxide? Some groups will think so if you harm a tree...

 

[Skel]

Do crossbow's have major recoil? I can not remember any of the few I fired having anything I'd describe as 'kick'. It's been a very long time since I've touched one so I may not be remembering it well.

 

[CZroe]

I was thinking more about the trees... It's a bitch to cut down trees in my city, but I think easier out in rural areas. Still, do you hate the earth and love carbon dioxide? Some groups will think so if you harm a tree...

They cleared a lot of trees to build the subdivision.

The people who live there had to agree to all kinds of stipulations about the filming. A burden, for sure. I hope they got a good deal!

Their homes will be surrounded by this post-apocalyptic wall for many more months (years?) and they can't drive around or go out at certain hours and their yards can't just have guest vehicles parked around and what-not. I'm sure the CC&Rs are a PITA.

 

[Mayne]

my sister literally jumped 2 feet off the couch when the arrow scene happened. It was awesome.

 

[gorcorps]

Do crossbow's have major recoil? I can not remember any of the few I fired having anything I'd describe as 'kick'. It's been a very long time since I've touched one so I may not be remembering it well.

Nope

Where some energy from a firearm will go backwards because of pressure in the chamber, pretty much all of the energy from the string is traveling away from you into the bolt. You'll feel some movement in the bow because of that but it's not much. Nevermind the fact that even if it DID have "kick" like a gun, that should only affect followup shots because you don't feel the kick until after the projectile is away... so recoil won't affect your first (or in this case, only) shot. The implication that he missed because of recoil is very wrong, but I just chalked it up to him being a bad shot and trying to explain why he missed like a big shot. "It's not me, it's just the recoil! Yeah that's it..."

That got brought up when we watched the episode. The jackoffs writing this show have no idea how the weapons they use operate. You have the obvious things like pulling back the hammer on a gun that should already have the hammer back, and cocking a shotgun that should already have been loaded... but some of this shit is just overly stupid. There was one episode a while back where they either turned on or off the "safety" on a Glock, which has no safety. They just reached their thumb up there and they added a "click" sound in editing.

 

[Skel]

Nope

Where some energy from a firearm will go backwards because of pressure in the chamber, pretty much all of the energy from the string is traveling away from you into the bolt. You'll feel some movement in the bow because of that but it's not much. Nevermind the fact that even if it DID have "kick" like a gun, that should only affect followup shots because you don't feel the kick until after the projectile is away... so recoil won't affect your first (or in this case, only) shot. The implication that he missed because of recoil is very wrong, but I just chalked it up to him being a bad shot and trying to explain why he missed like a big shot. "It's not me, it's just the recoil! Yeah that's it..."

That got brought up when we watched the episode. The jackoffs writing this show have no idea how the weapons they use operate. You have the obvious things like pulling back the hammer on a gun that should already have the hammer back, and cocking a shotgun that should already have been loaded... but some of this shit is just overly stupid. There was one episode a while back where they either turned on or off the "safety" on a Glock, which has no safety. They just reached their thumb up there and they added a "click" sound in editing.

Thanks! I was really scratching my head at that as he kept saying "It kicks like a mule". It's been many many years since I've touched a crossbow (and I get different models do different things) but I don't remember anything close to the way they were saying it. I normally laugh at it when the writers screw it up that badly. Of course there are times where it gets under my skin, in Daredevil they keep referring to 556 as "Military Grade weaponry", so it could be much worse in this show. You would think as this show keeps trying to tell us that it's realistic (as a zombie show can be) as people would act/do things like this, that they'd at least get some idea how these tools work.

 

[destrekor]

Nope

Where some energy from a firearm will go backwards because of pressure in the chamber, pretty much all of the energy from the string is traveling away from you into the bolt. You'll feel some movement in the bow because of that but it's not much. Nevermind the fact that even if it DID have "kick" like a gun, that should only affect followup shots because you don't feel the kick until after the projectile is away... so recoil won't affect your first (or in this case, only) shot. The implication that he missed because of recoil is very wrong, but I just chalked it up to him being a bad shot and trying to explain why he missed like a big shot. "It's not me, it's just the recoil! Yeah that's it..."

That got brought up when we watched the episode. The jackoffs writing this show have no idea how the weapons they use operate. You have the obvious things like pulling back the hammer on a gun that should already have the hammer back, and cocking a shotgun that should already have been loaded... but some of this shit is just overly stupid. There was one episode a while back where they either turned on or off the "safety" on a Glock, which has no safety. They just reached their thumb up there and they added a "click" sound in editing.

To be fair, all of that is not necessarily truly inaccuracy on the part of the show writers and/or creators. These things are rampantly portrayed inaccurately in Hollywood, not because they don't know any better, but because to them they think it's cooler to the viewers to see that kind of action.

Also, depending on who was the one pulling back the hammer, and on what weapon, it could have been a fresh magazine, and it's only a single-action handgun? Or perhaps it's still only a single-action handgun, and regardless of new magazine or not, is kept in holster without the hammer pulled back? I don't know, I honestly never pay attention to these details in fiction, because there are many conceits when translating reality to what viewers find entertaining.

Now, if you want to talk inaccuracy on the part of plain stupidity, it's usually military uniforms. Note that the common misconception that military uniforms must not be displayed 100% accurately in media is 100% false. In fact, there are Hollywood production advisers that are ex-military, who make a point to put forth realism in military portrayals when producers utilize their talents. All the sloppy berets, missing patches, etc etc? Either ineptitude, lazy research (which could be grouped with the former), or, perhaps they knew what was real but thought it would be more entertaining to do otherwise.

But the worst offender is anything "cyber." I guess one might think that, sure, computing is, like, hard man, but firearms? Been around for eternity, of course they should have that down pat! But... Hollywood be cray-cray. Entertainment most often trumps realism, for many reasons. Ineptitude may be a reason, but more often than not, I would wager it is a strategic decision.


edit:
Also, I am with you in that I presume that line was meant to point to his effort in creating an excuse. If you've never shot a crossbow, I can't imagine most people would hit their target on the first try. It may be easy (I have no idea, never shot one), but figuring out the true aim on any given weapon usually takes a little bit. Unless you're a seasoned veteran with weapons, then you may understand how the different aiming systems and iron sights work.
Do you have any means of dialing in a sight on a crossbow? I've really only ever shot rifles, an occasional pistol but very rarely. I'm no crack shot, so... I think I'll just shut up now.

 

[Skel]

To be fair, all of that is not necessarily truly inaccuracy on the part of the show writers and/or creators. These things are rampantly portrayed inaccurately in Hollywood, not because they don't know any better, but because to them they think it's cooler to the viewers to see that kind of action.

Also, depending on who was the one pulling back the hammer, and on what weapon, it could have been a fresh magazine, and it's only a single-action handgun? Or perhaps it's still only a single-action handgun, and regardless of new magazine or not, is kept in holster without the hammer pulled back? I don't know, I honestly never pay attention to these details in fiction, because there are many conceits when translating reality to what viewers find entertaining.

Now, if you want to talk inaccuracy on the part of plain stupidity, it's usually military uniforms. Note that the common misconception that military uniforms must not be displayed 100% accurately in media is 100% false. In fact, there are Hollywood production advisers that are ex-military, who make a point to put forth realism in military portrayals when producers utilize their talents. All the sloppy berets, missing patches, etc etc? Either ineptitude, lazy research (which could be grouped with the former), or, perhaps they knew what was real but thought it would be more entertaining to do otherwise.

But the worst offender is anything "cyber." I guess one might think that, sure, computing is, like, hard man, but firearms? Been around for eternity, of course they should have that down pat! But... Hollywood be cray-cray. Entertainment most often trumps realism, for many reasons. Ineptitude may be a reason, but more often than not, I would wager it is a strategic decision.


edit:
Also, I am with you in that I presume that line was meant to point to his effort in creating an excuse. If you've never shot a crossbow, I can't imagine most people would hit their target on the first try. It may be easy (I have no idea, never shot one), but figuring out the true aim on any given weapon usually takes a little bit. Unless you're a seasoned veteran with weapons, then you may understand how the different aiming systems and iron sights work.
Do you have any means of dialing in a sight on a crossbow? I've really only ever shot rifles, an occasional pistol but very rarely. I'm no crack shot, so... I think I'll just shut up now.

I would assume that the process for zeroing a site on a crossbow is the same as a rifle. I don't think it'd be any more complicated, though my standard "I've never done it so I could be wrong" disclaimer applies here. I would also guess that a crossbow is sensitive to trigger pull. If you jerk the trigger you'll fire low, and off center. I've a 22 pistol (one day I'll sell it) that is extremely sensitive. If you don't have proper grip and trigger pull the bullet will fly off target.

 

[Cappuccino]

How the hell is Eugene going to make bullets lol?

 

[olds]

How the hell is Eugene going to make bullets lol?

Well, he can makes mullets so he's just a step or two away.

 

[CZroe]

How the hell is Eugene going to make bullets lol?

It looked like a metal-working facility. They keep telling us that he is really well learned/book-smart and this is probably how they expect to demonstrate.