The Walking Dead Season 4 - Official discussion thread

[steppinthrax]

I'm glad they did away with the governor and Mitch. The Governor was an old story-line. All you would hear from Mitch is "yes Sir", "Roger that" and "affirmative" bullshit that I won't really want to hear in the next seasons.

 

[Jeeebus]

I'm actually thinking Hershel may have survived and will be back later in the season. Sure, the decapitation looked severe, but he could probably patch that up and pull through.

 

[Drako]

I'm actually thinking Hershel may have survived and will be back later in the season. Sure, the decapitation looked severe, but he could probably patch that up and pull through.

:thumbsup: :awe:

 

[steppinthrax]

I'm actually thinking Hershel may have survived and will be back later in the season. Sure, the decapitation looked severe, but he could probably patch that up and pull through.

Initially the decapitation looked more like a large gash and he fell over. But the governor finished him off. I would doubt highly that he is still alive.

 

[Printer Bandit]

hershel (scott wilson) teared up on talking dead. he was sad about being killed off.

 

[Cappuccino]

hershel (scott wilson) teared up on talking dead. he was sad about being killed off.

Yep. Maggie also teared up too. :'(

 

[zinfamous]

I think you are thinking of someone else?... Lori was Rick's wife, who died in childbirth.

Oh right, yeah. Sorry. I'm thinking of the lady that shacked up with the governor and was killed at the end of last season.

The governor fed her to a zombie (she was tied up in that room, where governor killed the scientist guy died, scientist guy zombied-up, and bit her)--we saw this. Then we heard the gunshot that killed her. Forget who did that--was it Mishonne?

anyway, despite all of that, the knuckleheads were trying to argue that she was somehow still alive.

 

[zinfamous]

hershel (scott wilson) teared up on talking dead. he was sad about being killed off.

He became one of my favorites. 🙁

I hope Jeebus is right. Maybe they can keep his zombie head with them in a bag, and use it to find a cure. Then, just before he is cured and dies naturally (being only a head, after all), he will dispense one more piece of pastoral and sagely, bearded advice.

 

[Skel]

Oh right, yeah. Sorry. I'm thinking of the lady that shacked up with the governor and was killed at the end of last season.

The governor fed her to a zombie (she was tied up in that room, where governor killed the scientist guy died, scientist guy zombied-up, and bit her)--we saw this. Then we heard the gunshot that killed her. Forget who did that--was it Mishonne?

anyway, despite all of that, the knuckleheads were trying to argue that she was somehow still alive.

She killed herself to avoid turning. I am a bit confused on why they had the Gov survive last year only to redo his entire story again this year.

Have a little girl he'll fail to protect? Check
Take control of a group he'll lead to their deaths trying to get to Rick and company? Check
Show psycho tendencies by keeping zombies around to look at? Check

The only thing he lacked this time around was one of Rick's group pretending to be on his side.

 

[Train]

There's always flashbacks. Hell, Lori made a few cameos, why not Hershel?

There could be plenty of character dev using the psycho girl and Hershel in the prison.

I imagine they could play the angle that Hershel was on to the fact she might be nuts, but now that he is gone no one else has any warning.

 

[SamQuint]

She killed herself to avoid turning. I am a bit confused on why they had the Gov survive last year only to redo his entire story again this year.

Have a little girl he'll fail to protect? Check
Take control of a group he'll lead to their deaths trying to get to Rick and company? Check
Show psycho tendencies by keeping zombies around to look at? Check

The only thing he lacked this time around was one of Rick's group pretending to be on his side.

I was thinking the same thing. It was odd that he was able to get a group of people he hardly knew willing to go to war over a prison. You would have thought there would have been a few more people who would have spoken out in that group against going into battle. You could understand the Woodbury folks wanting to battle Ricks group because they saw them as a major threat to their safety.

Of course nobody likes to talk about the comics here but it was handled better there than in the show.

The big question is do you think the Governor really was going to let any of Rick's people leave? Was the whole leave now thing just a show for the new group so they might think he is not a total bastard.

And finally who was on guard duty at the prison? How do they not know a tank and about 5 vehicles are there at the fence. In the first few episodes they made a point of showing Maggie and Glen in the tower taking turns on guard duty.

 

[purbeast0]

Initially the decapitation looked more like a large gash and he fell over. But the governor finished him off. I would doubt highly that he is still alive.

you never know. i mean, this IS the walking dead writers we are talking about here.

And finally who was on guard duty at the prison? How do they not know a tank and about 5 vehicles are there at the fence. In the first few episodes they made a point of showing Maggie and Glen in the tower taking turns on guard duty.

it's a zombie show ... accept it!

 

[Train]

And finally who was on guard duty at the prison? How do they not know a tank and about 5 vehicles are there at the fence. In the first few episodes they made a point of showing Maggie and Glen in the tower taking turns on guard duty.

Heh, even if no one was watching the perimeter, someone had to hear it roll up. Hell even if you didn't hear it, they make the ground shake.

 

[purbeast0]

i was confused as to what exactly got their attention of the tank while they were talking with tyrese. did the tank fire a "warning" shot at the prison? or just into the air? or did they just hear the tank rumbling? it sounded like it was a shot, but there was no damage after the shot, inside or outside.

 

[z1ggy]

i was confused as to what exactly got their attention of the tank while they were talking with tyrese. did the tank fire a "warning" shot at the prison? or just into the air? or did they just hear the tank rumbling? it sounded like it was a shot, but there was no damage after the shot, inside or outside.

If you look, the watch tower behind them was on fire (it seemed) so likely it fired a shot at that tower first to get their attention.

If not maybe Tyrese was going for his afternoon stroll when he noticed them hanging out.

 

[purbeast0]

If you look, the watch tower behind them was on fire (it seemed) so likely it fired a shot at that tower first to get their attention.

If not maybe Tyrese was going for his afternoon stroll when he noticed them hanging out.

oh ok i didn't see anything obvious but that makes sense. from their reaction it sounded as if something around them had exploded and they felt it.

 

[Spineshank]

She killed herself to avoid turning. I am a bit confused on why they had the Gov survive last year only to redo his entire story again this year.

Have a little girl he'll fail to protect? Check
Take control of a group he'll lead to their deaths trying to get to Rick and company? Check
Show psycho tendencies by keeping zombies around to look at? Check

The only thing he lacked this time around was one of Rick's group pretending to be on his side.

Cause thats how it was written in the comic?

 

[Jeeebus]

Initially the decapitation looked more like a large gash and he fell over. But the governor finished him off. I would doubt highly that he is still alive.

With the advancements of modern medicine in the post-apocalyptic zombie world, I'm betting the alcoholic medic could patch him up in a few minutes. Hell, Hershel (a veterinarian) could easily do it if not for the whole 'no head' thing. I've seen the Mythbusters guys build a working sailboat out of duct tape, so I refuse to believe that a 2 second shot of a bloodied, headless body proves that Hershel is dead.

Hell, I'm half-betting the season starts up again like Dallas and we find out it was all just one of Glenn's delirious dreams.

 

[Ferzerp]

oh ok i didn't see anything obvious but that makes sense. from their reaction it sounded as if something around them had exploded and they felt it.

Well, the sound alone from that shot (Which was in the audio) would be enough to make you jump if it was out of the blue.

 

[Skel]

Cause thats how it was written in the comic?

Not to thread drift too much, but did it really? I don't recall them bringing the Gov back after the battle at the prison. The show had that battle, brought him back redid almost his entire story just to redo that battle, only with the tank

Spoiler

which I do remember was part of the comics, and what drove them from the prison

 

[wholesalestunna]

With the advancements of modern medicine in the post-apocalyptic zombie world, I'm betting the alcoholic medic could patch him up in a few minutes. Hell, Hershel (a veterinarian) could easily do it if not for the whole 'no head' thing. I've seen the Mythbusters guys build a working sailboat out of duct tape, so I refuse to believe that a 2 second shot of a bloodied, headless body proves that Hershel is dead.

Hell, I'm half-betting the season starts up again like Dallas and we find out it was all just one of Glenn's delirious dreams.

Hahahaha... he's dead

 

[zinfamous]

She killed herself to avoid turning. I am a bit confused on why they had the Gov survive last year only to redo his entire story again this year.

Have a little girl he'll fail to protect? Check
Take control of a group he'll lead to their deaths trying to get to Rick and company? Check
Show psycho tendencies by keeping zombies around to look at? Check

The only thing he lacked this time around was one of Rick's group pretending to be on his side.

I think you're right in that in the end, it all seemed like a bit of a 2 episode forced distraction; perhaps merely a reason to get them out of the prison.

But, I think it had some merit.

First, The governor character needed closer. It was known that he was out there--Mishonne was always searching for him. The comic book people are always saying how important he was. The gist is that he has developed, perhaps changed his ways with a new purpose in life--a new family to protect. It tests the ongoing theme of the series--this has changed people totally; when things are better, will we be able to go back to who we were?

In the governor's case, it seems he goes back to his old ways. yes, he made that one attempt to get out of Dodge, but when he was forced back to the camp, he saw only one way, and that was to become governor again.

Perhaps it was too much of a diversion just to get them out of the prison and kill off a bunch of people, but I still think there is value in closing the governor's line, by way of showing that no matter what, he was always an evil prick.

 

[zinfamous]

And finally who was on guard duty at the prison? How do they not know a tank and about 5 vehicles are there at the fence. In the first few episodes they made a point of showing Maggie and Glen in the tower taking turns on guard duty.

Did you not notice that the guard tower was on fire during the entire scene, and that initial blast that alerted everyone that something was up? I think this magic unlimited ammo tank blew up the tower from a few miles away, without possibility of warning, and, with all of the other vehicles, closed that mile or so gap to the gate before anyone could run outside.

yes, I'm exaggerating, but I think it could have realistically been able to blast it out without the guard having time to escape. ....and who knows what the guard(s) were doing in the tower while it was approaching. If you recall, Maggie and Glen weren't exactly good at their guard duties...

 

[zinfamous]

oh ok i didn't see anything obvious but that makes sense. from their reaction it sounded as if something around them had exploded and they felt it.

Yeah, the explosion was the shot on the tower. Nearly every shot of Rick during that scene, the tower was on fire in the background.

It was on screen for a good 2 minutes or so, folks. 😀

 

[BladeVenom]

I imagine one of those kids grabbed her before they ran off to arm themselves. They did show one of the girls hanging back while the others ran off at that moment.

The kids ran direction of Judith after they shot the lesbo. Then Tyreese, after telling them they are going the wrong direction follows them. The next shot of Tyreese is him running out of a building carrying something (Judith?), when the tank blows up the catwalk. Watch that scene again, it's a quick shot, and everyone was probably paying attention to the explosion.

So I'm going to presume Tyreese is the one who ended up with Judith. Maybe with that group of kids also.