The Vietnam Passion

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The Vietnam Passion
By DAVID BROOKS

Published: August 24, 2004

I'm launching a major investigation into whether the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth organization is being secretly financed by the Kerry campaign. For today that organization begins airing ads drawing attention to John Kerry's 1971 testimony against the Vietnam War.

If voters see that testimony, they will see a young man arguing passionately for a cause. They will see a young man willing to take risks and boldly state his beliefs. Whether they agree or not, they will see in John Kerry a man of conviction.

Many young people, who don't have an emotional investment in endlessly refighting the conflicts of the late 1960's, might take a look at that man and decide they like him. They might not realize that man no longer exists.

That conviction politician was still visible as late as the 1980's. When Senator Kerry opposed aid to the contras, or took on Oliver North, he did it with the same forthright fire.

But then in the early 1990's, things began to evolve. First, Kerry relied on his post-Vietnam convictions and ended up casting the vote against the first Iraq war that threatened his political future.

Then the political climate changed. Bill Clinton came to power and suddenly the old Vietnam-era liberalism was no longer in vogue. The future belonged to triangulating New Democrats. Then Newt Gingrich came in and the frame of debate shifted further to the right. John Kerry was now in a position to run for national office - and thus needed to be acceptable to a national constituency.

Kerry's speeches in the 1990's read nothing like that 1971 testimony. The passion is gone. The pompous prevaricator is in. You read them and you see a man so cautiously calculating not to put a foot wrong that he envelops himself in a fog of caveats and equivocations. You see a man losing the ability to think like a normal human being and starting instead to think like an embassy.

Tough decisions are evaded through the construction of pointless distinctions. Hard questions are verbosely straddled. Kerry issued statements endorsing the use of force in the Balkans so full of backdoor caveats you couldn't tell if he was coming or going. He delivered a tough-sounding speech on urban poverty filled with escape clauses he then exploited when the criticism came.


Most people take a certain pride in their own opinions. They feel attached to them as part of who they are. But Kerry can be coldly detached from his views, willing to use, flip or hide them depending on the exigencies of the moment.

For example, on Aug. 1, Kerry told George Stephanopoulos: "I think we can significantly change the deployment of troops, not just [in Iraq] but elsewhere in the world. In the Korean peninsula perhaps, in Europe perhaps."

When Bush went ahead and outlined a plan along those lines, Kerry blasted the president, saying it was reckless to embrace the idea he had endorsed two weeks before.

Even more psychologically corrosive is Kerry's continual suppression of sincere belief. Almost every American has a view about whether this Iraq war is worthwhile or a big mistake - except John Kerry. He's both called himself an antiwar candidate and said he would even today vote for the war resolution. He's either lost the ability to make a clear decision on this central issue, or he thinks it would be imprudent to express a view.

Even on vital, personal matters, he radiates an air of calculated positioning. He now declares that marriage is between a man and a woman, but does anybody think he actually believes this? He's said life begins at conception, but has he ever acted on this profound belief?

All this is odd for a person who is such a child of the 1960's. "Authenticity" was such a big concept then. Nobody would accuse the current John Kerry of that. In fact, the Democratic convention dwelt obsessively on the period in his life when Kerry was authentic, so it could evade the last 20 years of rising inautheticity.

In short, he's not the flaming liberal the Republicans sometimes try to portray. He's not flaming anything. If today's Kerry had been called before that 1971 Senate committee, he would have prudently told the throngs that he was for the goals of the war but against the implementation, for the idea but against the timing, for the troops but against this nuance and that nuance and the other one.

Nobody accomplishes much in politics without consuming ambitions, but sometimes they are changed along the way.
 

villager

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Who is the Lib? Are you just unable to print to truth? David Brooks is a well known conservative.
 

Todd33

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I read that. So basically old guys in politics are not as passionate as twenty somethings. Wow, call the press! Do you think Bush is the same frat boy now that he was then?
 

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Consider me unphased, in the worst possible light this Op-ed can reflect on Kerry he's portrayed as "overly-calculating." Hmm... maybe an apologist but couldn't that make him nuanced and considerate? I don't hold it against that he won't go plodding through decisions like a three-hundred pound Helen Keller. Again, it's his capacity to weigh decisions heavily, including those of war and peace, is what distinguishes Kerry from his opponent.
 

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The Vietnam Passion
By DAVID BROOKS

Published: August 24, 2004

I'm launching a major investigation into whether the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth organization is being secretly financed by the Kerry campaign. For today that organization begins airing ads drawing attention to John Kerry's 1971 testimony against the Vietnam War.
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I'm not sure, but if you think about that lead sentence, it sounds like satire to me. If not, it's way too Machiavellian for my poor mind to grasp. :cool:
 

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Originally posted by: Harvey
The Vietnam Passion
By DAVID BROOKS

Published: August 24, 2004

I'm launching a major investigation into whether the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth organization is being secretly financed by the Kerry campaign. For today that organization begins airing ads drawing attention to John Kerry's 1971 testimony against the Vietnam War.
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I'm not sure, but if you think about that lead sentence, it sounds like satire to me. If not, it's way too Machiavellian for my poor mind to grasp. :cool:

You know I didn't even notice that when I read it. That's retarded. Period. Dot. Point.
 

jjzelinski

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Ok so you're suggesting it's hyperbole. That would make it a little less retarded. Un-Period. Dot. Point.
 

Harvey

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Hey! If it works, and it helps him win, it's OK with me. :cool:
 

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Next there'll be an Op-Ed piece that Kerry smells bad to twenty somethings...

Give me a break. How much sh!t do the GOP have to sling to MAKE someone look bad, before people start waking up to whats really going on? Wasnt this underhanded sh!t enough when someone had the audacity to question Max Clelands patriotism? It seems the more sh!t I see being shoveled out there about someone, by the GOP...the more it makes me want to know why the GOP fear them enough to sling it.

The Country awaits President-Elect Kerry.
~wnied~
 

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Most of the article was pretty useless, wether it was written by a liberal or a conservative, or a squirrel for all I care. Only a few solid pieces in it, this one raised an eyebrow.
On Aug. 1, Kerry told George Stephanopoulos: "I think we can significantly change the deployment of troops, not just [in Iraq] but elsewhere in the world. In the Korean peninsula perhaps, in Europe perhaps."
I mean, I suspected the guy was a partisan hack, but a total reversal in two weeks? sheeeesh.
 

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Originally posted by: Harvey
The Vietnam Passion
By DAVID BROOKS

Published: August 24, 2004

I'm launching a major investigation into whether the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth organization is being secretly financed by the Kerry campaign. For today that organization begins airing ads drawing attention to John Kerry's 1971 testimony against the Vietnam War.
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I'm not sure, but if you think about that lead sentence, it sounds like satire to me. If not, it's way too Machiavellian for my poor mind to grasp. :cool:

That is the first that came to mind as well. I though it was satire after reading the intro. Hmm?
 
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Originally posted by: villager
Who is the Lib? Are you just unable to print to truth? David Brooks is a well known conservative.

You're asking too much of Rip. He doesn't read reputable conservative publications, like the Weekly Standard (of which Mr. Brooks is a senior editor, when he's not working as the NYT's house conservative op ed writer), he reads WorldNetDaily and its ilk. He wouldn't know David Brooks is far from being liberal. After all, David Brooks writes for the big, bad New York Times! He might as well have written the Anarchist's Cookbook . . .
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: villager
Who is the Lib? Are you just unable to print to truth? David Brooks is a well known conservative.

You're asking too much of Rip. He doesn't read reputable conservative publications, like the Weekly Standard (of which Mr. Brooks is a senior editor, when he's not working as the NYT's house conservative op ed writer), he reads WorldNetDaily and its ilk. He wouldn't know David Brooks is far from being liberal. After all, David Brooks writes for the big, bad New York Times! He might as well have written the Anarchist's Cookbook . . .

You mean the reputable NYT that hires drug addicts that make up their stories?
 

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Originally posted by: villager
Who is the Lib? Are you just unable to print to truth? David Brooks is a well known conservative.


So is Conjur.

;)
 
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Originally posted by: Riprorin

You mean the reputable NYT that hires drug addicts that make up their stories?

I'm not the one who started an entire thread quoting the NYT, ya dope. If it's such a poor news source, why are you linking to its op-ed page?

So do you care explain how David Brooks is a "lib"?
 

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Kerry is a utter fraud...

He's turned on his liberal base (a.k.a., the Deaniacs....the ones i know are disappointed in Kerry not "keeping the faith")

He's a complete poser when it comes to national security.
 
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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Kerry is a utter fraud...

He's turned on his liberal base (a.k.a., the Deaniacs....the ones i know are disappointed in Kerry not "keeping the faith")

He's a complete poser when it comes to national security.

Hey, BTW, what ever happened to "Good Bye" (sic)?
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Riprorin

You mean the reputable NYT that hires drug addicts that make up their stories?

I'm not the one who started an entire thread quoting the NYT, ya dope.

No, you just worship at the altar.
 

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Kerry is a utter fraud...

He's turned on his liberal base (a.k.a., the Deaniacs....the ones i know are disappointed in Kerry not "keeping the faith")

He's a complete poser when it comes to national security.

Hey, BTW, what ever happened to "Good Bye" (sic)?

You should know by now that there's no point in taking anything HS says seriously. It's almost like he's unable to post in a thread without using some kinda rhetoric. He kinda reminds me of BOBDN (You know, the Bush basher who was unable to go a day without bashing Bush, that is, untill he was banned).
 

Corn

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Kerry is a utter fraud...

He's turned on his liberal base (a.k.a., the Deaniacs....the ones i know are disappointed in Kerry not "keeping the faith")

He's a complete poser when it comes to national security.

Hey, BTW, what ever happened to "Good Bye" (sic)?


Evidently he and Dave McLiar have something in common. Please do chide Mcowen for his 3 "goodbye forever" threads....because you do want to be fair, right? If not, please do me the favor of shutting the hell up already about HS's change of heart.
 

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Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Kerry is a utter fraud...

He's turned on his liberal base (a.k.a., the Deaniacs....the ones i know are disappointed in Kerry not "keeping the faith")

He's a complete poser when it comes to national security.

Hey, BTW, what ever happened to "Good Bye" (sic)?


Evidently he and Dave McLiar have something in common. Please do chide Mcowen for his 3 "goodbye forever" threads....because you do want to be fair, right? If not, please do me the favor of shutting the hell up already about HS's change of heart.

Awwww how cute! It's the consistancy police to the rescue! :p

PS: This thread is an instant classic! The NYT is credible enough to post (even so far as to post Op/Ed as NEWS!)! No wait, the NYT is not credible because they hire drug addicts to make up their stories! David Brooks is a LIB ripping Kerry a new one! No WAIT he's a conservative!

OMGWTF?!?
 

Corn

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Kerry is a utter fraud...

He's turned on his liberal base (a.k.a., the Deaniacs....the ones i know are disappointed in Kerry not "keeping the faith")

He's a complete poser when it comes to national security.

Hey, BTW, what ever happened to "Good Bye" (sic)?


Evidently he and Dave McLiar have something in common. Please do chide Mcowen for his 3 "goodbye forever" threads....because you do want to be fair, right? If not, please do me the favor of shutting the hell up already about HS's change of heart.

Awwww how cute! It's the consistancy police to the rescue! :p

Hey, I gave McMoron grief for his 3 "goodbye forever" threads......but not every day and in every thread to which he posted. It's been 2 weeks already, sheesh.......and it's wearin' thin like the sbvft discussions and your tongue.