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Finally figured out how to balance my Steadicam last night (CMR Blackbird, destroys the Merlin! muhahaha). Grabbed my wife's D90 and shot some quick clips at my buddy's house. BOY am I gonna have fun learning how to shoot Steadicam in 2010!! :D

Title: Getting the Mail...in Style
Date & Location: Hartford, CT on 24-Dec-2009
Camera: Nikon D90 with 18-55mm VR
Format: Motion-JPEG AVI
Editing: iMovie '09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJAg285e3rs

Smooth. :)
 

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Finally figured out how to balance my Steadicam last night (CMR Blackbird, destroys the Merlin! muhahaha). Grabbed my wife's D90 and shot some quick clips at my buddy's house. BOY am I gonna have fun learning how to shoot Steadicam in 2010!! :D

Title: Getting the Mail...in Style
Date & Location: Hartford, CT on 24-Dec-2009
Camera: Nikon D90 with 18-55mm VR
Format: Motion-JPEG AVI
Editing: iMovie '09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJAg285e3rs
geezes that thing is expensive! I'm sitting here "do I buy Johnny Lee's cheap-o $50 steadycam" hahaa.

Tho, looks like there are a few DIY versions of that, did you look into trying those?
 

Kaido

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geezes that thing is expensive! I'm sitting here "do I buy Johnny Lee's cheap-o $50 steadycam" hahaa.

Tho, looks like there are a few DIY versions of that, did you look into trying those?

Yeah I have his Poor Man's Steadicam:

http://steadycam.org/

I actually ordered it pre-built from the guy because I was on vacation at the time lol. It's nice and heavy, and unscrews so I can fit it all in a large shaving bag (nice and compact! easy for trips too). I got some cheap quick-releases for the top as well as the low-bar for near-ground shots. It works surprisingly well, especially with the smoothcam filters that are available now in iMovie and Final Cut Pro. Not as good as a real steadicam, but for the price it's pretty phenomenal :awe:

I used that for a couple years, then upgraded to the Blackbird steadicam from Camera Motion Research. It's not cheap ($645), but it is absolutely incredible. I'm still learning how to balance it properly; it's definitely not a toy. There's a lot of physics involved, which translates into a lot of tweaking. I was originally going to get a Tiffen Merlin (Tiffen is the main Steadicam company), but after reading reviews and talking to users, the Blackbird made more sense:

http://www.camotionllc.com/

The Merlin is awesome, but overly complicated - the Blackbird simplifies the steadicam concept for small cameras and does it better. It has a friction adjuster right in the gimbal, plus it's compatible with all of the Merlin accessories (floor stand and the vest & arm). They include a really nice carrying case with foam cutouts for all the pieces, a training DVD, a printed manual, and a stand. The stand can hook onto the edge of a table, a tripod, or a C-stand, which is really really handy. It's a pretty complete package for what you get, and is hundreds less than the Merlin.

I've been taking notes and I'll probably post a video tutorial on how to use the Blackbird (you know me and guides, lol). Their DVD is excellent, but I've developed a quick workflow that makes it easy for balancing different cameras quickly. I can balance a new camera in about 5 minutes (the Merlin takes about 20 minutes from what I've read, with all the little adjustments). Every little detail affects the balance - even whether you have the camera's LCD arm out or not. It's kind of frustrating at first, but you can see that the results makes it worth it!

My only real gripe with the Blackbird is that the weight arm (the lower T-bar) is kinda long and sometimes gets in the way; I haven't had any success in flying my cameras without the T-bar due to the balance. Luckily it's short enough that I can chase little kids around at about eye level, which is good enough for family stuff. Bigger steadicams have a lower bar for doing low shots like for pets and stuff (as does Johnny Lee's simple version), but you can't do that with the Blackbird.

I do think the arm and vest would be a good investment, but it's nearly $1600 for that setup so that won't be for a couple years for me (assuming the Scarlet is under 8 pounds and can fly on the Blackbird, which I'm pretty sure it will be). It's a pretty complex system with springs and metal arms and stuff, so I don't think I'll try a DIY version, lol. But the weight does get tiring FAST. Luckily steadicam shots are pretty fast, so it's not like you're hand-holding it for 10 minutes or anything, usually you're doing a minute or two then you can rest. I would recommend picking up a cheap spare tripod and putting the Blackbird stand on it for convenience.

I'll post more after I've mastered some basic shots :D
 

Kaido

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Just a basic overview of my Steadicam notes so far...

2 types of balance:

1. Steady balance (no pendulum effect) - no tilt/roll, useful for angled shots too
2. Auto-correct (yes pendulum effect) - automatically "rights" itself vertically

The steady balance is really cool - the weights don't swing forward when you move, so you can do angled shots and stuff, but you lose the dynamic roll (which is the pendulum effect), so it doesn't "right" itself automatically. But if you balance it for auto-correct, then it will swing back to perfectly balanced vertically. So there are 2 types of balance, depending on the shot you want.


Balance variables:

The balance depends on a few things:

1. Weight of camera (camera, batteries, tapes/memory, microphone, etc.)
2. Center of gravity (where the camera balances with all of the weight attached, LCD open, etc.)
3. What type of balance you want (steady or auto-correct)
4. If you need to do low shots (no T-bar)


Balance workflow:

The balance workflow is a little complicated, but once you understand it (which is very frustrating at first), it's really easy to do - just takes some tweaking. Remember that this is NOT a toy, it's a professional tool and requires a ton of practice to truly master. However, you can get super awesome shots right out of the box (the Youtube video I posted where my friend gets the mail is my first outing with it, not too bad!). My balance workflow has 9 initial adjustments:

1. T-Bar: Long or short (or none, but this is hard to balance)
2. Weights: Small or large (or none, or mix)
3. Height of T-Bar
4. Gimbal: Extension (for smaller cameras) or no extension
5. Location of camera on the skid (multiple holes)
6. Location of skid on the stage: Forward, center, or backwards (variable)
7. X Adjustment: Right, center, or left (variable)
8. Y Adjustment: Forward, center, or backwards (variable)
9. Gimbal friction adjust

Once you get your camera balanced, re-balancing the same camera is mostly just a matter of adjusting the X & Y variables, which are small tweaks. Like if you balance your camera at home, then take it somewhere, you'll need to do some small tweaks to re-balance it. Then there's the friction adjustment on the gimbal, if you want to change the drop time (if you're using auto-correct balance - it changes how long it takes to return to the vertical position, which again depends on the type of shot you want).


Flying the camera:

Using a steadicam requires 2 hands: one to hold the handle, and the other to use the control ring. There are 2 control rings:

1. Upper ring: pan, tilt (in all directions)
2. Lower ring: pan only (rotation around horizon)

Using the upper ring, you can not only control pan (or spin, if you'd like), you can control the tilt. Controlling the tilt is good for when you want to tilt the camera at an angle, as well as for offsetting the tilt that comes when you're walking, like when you turn and the camera hangs at an angle. So it's both for proactive shots (when you want a tilt angle) and reactive shots (when you don't want a tilt angle).

The lower control ring is for pan or spin only. This is really good when you're going around corners and want to do kind of a whip pan around the corner, or when you're walking in a circle around somebody and want to keep them at the center of the screen - you don't have to mess with the tilt angle with the lower control ring. This is good to use with the steady type of balance where it doesn't auto-correct itself, because then you don't have to worry about it swinging around.


Conclusion:

There's a lot of other little tricks and stuff, but that's the basic overview of how I set it up. I'm planning on spending the next year or two practicing weekly to get good at it. I picked up the Tiffen training DVD and there are a couple good books on Steadicam shooting as well, plus some really nice websites with sample shots. Here's a really good one to view some commercial footage from movies and other video endeavors:

http://www.steadishots.org/
 

mmntech

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The video thread has been quiet. Nobody shooting viz? I have been. So here's my latest project. I shot this over four days up in Ontario's Muskoka/Haliburton region with three friends. We did a documentary on winter activities that each of us have never tried before. Those were dog sledding, snow shoeing, inner-tubing, and ice climbing. We shot this over the first week of March, 2010. You'll have to excuse the quality. I had to compress the crap out of it so it would go on my Vimeo Basic account.

Title: Winter in Ontario
Date & Location: March 1st to March 4th, 2010: Haliburton Forest & Wildlife Reserve; Stouffer Mill Inn, Minden ON; Horseshoe Resort, Orillia ON; Kushog Lake, Minden ON.
Camera: Sony XDCAM HD, Canon FS100, Sony DVCAM
Video Format: DV NTSC 480/60i 30mbps, MPEG 2 480/60i 9mbps, 16:9 & 4:3
Editing Program: Final Cut Express 4

http://www.vimeo.com/11165554
 

Kaido

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The video thread has been quiet. Nobody shooting viz? I have been. So here's my latest project.

Nice! Thanks for sharing! I've mostly been doing family & work stuff, but I'll try to get out this weekend and play with my camera. Really been enjoying my little Canon SX200 - it's a beast!
 

mmntech

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Nice! Thanks for sharing! I've mostly been doing family & work stuff, but I'll try to get out this weekend and play with my camera. Really been enjoying my little Canon SX200 - it's a beast!

So I've been hearing. A lot of cameras are now rivalling $20,000 camcorders. Problem is the CCDs tend to overheat pretty quickly.

I'd like to do more video so I'm definitely going to consider investing in a prosumer HD camcorder once I start making some serious money. I was spoilt by the XDCAM in college. You can really tell in my travel doc which cameras I used just by the wide variation in image quality.

Any thoughts on something like a Sony HVR-HD1000U?
http://www.vistek.ca/store/ProVideoCamcorders/234994/sony-hvrhd1000u-hdv-camcorder.aspx
About $1599, around the price of a good DSLR kit for everything. Even takes photos. I could even write it off as a "business expense". Everyone wants viz these days. Just need to figure out how to transfer from tapes! You'd think they'd figure out how to do it over USB by now.
 

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So I've been hearing. A lot of cameras are now rivalling $20,000 camcorders. Problem is the CCDs tend to overheat pretty quickly.

I'd like to do more video so I'm definitely going to consider investing in a prosumer HD camcorder once I start making some serious money. I was spoilt by the XDCAM in college. You can really tell in my travel doc which cameras I used just by the wide variation in image quality.

Any thoughts on something like a Sony HVR-HD1000U?
http://www.vistek.ca/store/ProVideoCamcorders/234994/sony-hvrhd1000u-hdv-camcorder.aspx
About $1599, around the price of a good DSLR kit for everything. Even takes photos. I could even write it off as a "business expense". Everyone wants viz these days. Just need to figure out how to transfer from tapes! You'd think they'd figure out how to do it over USB by now.

There are pros and cons to a serious camcorder. Nowadays people expect HD (clean, sharp, dSLR-style HD is so huge right now), and you can get by pretty well with a dSLR. I'm really a big fan of the Canon 5D, I LOVE how Full-Frame video looks! You are limited to 12 minutes per clip (plus overheating), but no one I know shoots 12 minute clips straight and then watches them ever again :D Most are quick cuts nowadays. So there's something to be said for dSLR's as well. Plus they're compact, so you can get into a lot of places you can't with a bigger cam. And people don't suspect you're shooting film in public places :D

I'm still saving up for the Scarlet - $2,750 for the core, so a bit more pricey than the Sony, but you also get 3K resolution. You can do CF card or SSD, although a serious kit runs about $4,800 when they come out. I can see myself easily using it for the next 5 if not 10 years. But I'm so happy with my SX200 right now that I think I'm just going to keep on investing in other areas of my workflow (better audio system, better computer, etc.) for now haha.
 
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There are pros and cons to a serious camcorder. Nowadays people expect HD (clean, sharp, dSLR-style HD is so huge right now), and you can get by pretty well with a dSLR. I'm really a big fan of the Canon 5D, I LOVE how Full-Frame video looks! You are limited to 12 minutes per clip (plus overheating), but no one I know shoots 12 minute clips straight and then watches them ever again :D Most are quick cuts nowadays. So there's something to be said for dSLR's as well. Plus they're compact, so you can get into a lot of places you can't with a bigger cam. And people don't suspect you're shooting film in public places :D

I'm still saving up for the Scarlet - $2,750 for the core, so a bit more pricey than the Sony, but you also get 3K resolution. You can do CF card or SSD, although a serious kit runs about $4,800 when they come out. I can see myself easily using it for the next 5 if not 10 years. But I'm so happy with my SX200 right now that I think I'm just going to keep on investing in other areas of my workflow (better audio system, better computer, etc.) for now haha.

I shoot mostly video for television so owning a Scarlet would be overkill. I think 3K video would murder my editing rig as well. The 5D Mk II is vary nice though. The best video I've seen for the price. Still, the body alone is twice as much as a professional HDV camcorder kit. Plus you've got to get a Beachtech input box if you want audio. That's another $300 on top of mics and XLR cables.
 

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Took my SX200 out for a day at the beach :) Used my Glidetrack and Velbon DV-7000. I have a Bogen 577 quick release on the Velbon head, as well as between the Glidetrack & tripod legs for quick removal. I wish I had brought my Gorillapods, as the beach had some weird-shaped rocks and stuff that took too much time to setup the tripod on. The editing cut is a little rough, but it'll do ;)

Title: A Day at the Beach
Date & Location: Harkness Park, CT on 1-May-2010
Camera: Canon SX200
Format: MOV
Editing: Final Cut Pro 7

http://www.vimeo.com/11391910
 

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I threw this together the other day. Went out to the local mill pond and filmed some nature shots. Editing isn't perfect and I didn't do too much with the audio other than a few split edits.

Title: Pond Walk
Date & Location: May 4th, 2010; Milton Centennial Park
Camera: Cannon FS200
Video Format: MPEG 2 480/60i 9mpbs 16:9
Editing Program: Final Cut Express 4

http://www.vimeo.com/11484472

There's a digital photo and video show on in Toronto next weekend. I'm going to see if I can get a deal on a good HD camcorder.

UPDATE: I fixed up the audio and adjusted the shots a bit. Also upped the bit rate so it doesn't look as blocky.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM8Bs_M1yvg
 
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Fun! Can't wait to watch the videos posted here when I'm off work. I just got a new sony camcorder and once I'm done editing footage shot at an Aston Martin unveiling, I'll post it here, but for shits & giggles for now, here's a link to my very first video ever, from back in 2003, shot with a miniDV Canon Elura 40MC. Enjoy! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW7j_7IlesI
 

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Took my SX200 out for a day at the beach :) Used my Glidetrack and Velbon DV-7000. I have a Bogen 577 quick release on the Velbon head, as well as between the Glidetrack & tripod legs for quick removal. I wish I had brought my Gorillapods, as the beach had some weird-shaped rocks and stuff that took too much time to setup the tripod on. The editing cut is a little rough, but it'll do ;)

Title: A Day at the Beach
Date & Location: Harkness Park, CT on 1-May-2010
Camera: Canon SX200
Format: MOV
Editing: Final Cut Pro 7

http://www.vimeo.com/11391910

I really like this. It's very relaxing to watch. ^_^ :thumbsup:
 

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Took my SX200 out for a day at the beach :) Used my Glidetrack and Velbon DV-7000. I have a Bogen 577 quick release on the Velbon head, as well as between the Glidetrack & tripod legs for quick removal. I wish I had brought my Gorillapods, as the beach had some weird-shaped rocks and stuff that took too much time to setup the tripod on. The editing cut is a little rough, but it'll do ;)

Title: A Day at the Beach
Date & Location: Harkness Park, CT on 1-May-2010
Camera: Canon SX200
Format: MOV
Editing: Final Cut Pro 7

http://www.vimeo.com/11391910

I like the glidetrack movement. The music's nice, too. Who is it?
 

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Videos are cool guys!

Koing
 

Kaido

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I like the glidetrack movement. The music's nice, too. Who is it?

Eyes by Rogue Wave

Love my Glidetrack, well worth the money. Probably my favorite video tool next to my Steadicam. But I can throw the Glidetrack in my backpack & go anywhere :D I think the trick to using it is to have something close in the foreground so you get a great feeling of movement. I tried it on some far-away shots and it didn't even look like it was moving. But it really shines on close-ups as well as long shots with foreground objects.

You can also make a DIY model if you're handy, it's just industrial slide rails like they use in shop machines. There's a pretty big thread over on DVXuser.com and a other people are selling their own versions now. I personally prefer the Glidetrack - has nice handles, holes are all drilled, nice end caps, portable, ready-to-go out of the box. Here's the DIY thread:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=145701
 

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Ok, here's my first creation with my new camcorder. Just a simple video of our family's outing to Friday Harbor this Mother's day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU7iBovPT1s

Title: Mother's Day Trip to Friday Harbor
Date & Location: Friday Harbor, WA - 5/9/10
Camera: Sony HDR-CX150
Format: WMV - 720p
Editing: Sony Vegas Movie Studio HD
 

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You're allowed to use up to 10 seconds of a song. It's one of the reasons why I don't upload everything I do. I have a full half hour documentary I did but there's some Beatles and Bollywood pop songs in there than run longer than 10 seconds. It's stupid to boss around amateur filmmakers like that when they purchased the song or they're not profiting off it. It gets to be nickel and dimeing at that point
In reality, the 10 second rule applies to Broadcast companies, such as ENG who pay a license that covers them. There is no such rule that applies to anyone else. Music licensing is one of the most misunderstood parts of video. And it is a major reason I got out of it. All my projects started involving incidental music or were performed to music. I did a lot of research and talked off the record to a intellectual properties lawyer). And it can take up to 6 months just to get an answer from the rights holders (if at all - Never got a response from ESPN). I have had quotes of $1000 for 15 seconds on up to 250 copies (I ultimately shipped 0 as my up front capital costs exceeded $1200 and the previous version had sold 95 copies.)

RevoStock and SonicFire are worth the money.
 
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This is 5 minutes of raw footage (25MB WMV) shot with a Sony 520 (you can see my ex - VX2100 at 4:30 ish) on a Glidecam 2000. The footage is of marching band practice. When I was doing such (see above), I added some of this footage to the video yearbook for the marching band. It gave a good action sequence.

I was a little rusty and had not shot in a couple months with the rig. But it is like riding a bike. BUT, it takes practice.

http://www.georgeandlorrie.com/gallery/video/Glidecam.wmv

Edit - if you are really bored... And if that does not make you fall asleep, go to my root page and then click Video Gallery for the rest. Not too exciting - designed more for the participants.
 
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