The Verge iPhone 5 review

ponyo

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http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/21/3363238/iphone-5-review

Granted I have not tried the device but watching hands on videos on other sites and reading early reviews, I found Joshua's review pretty much mirrors my thoughts as Galaxy Nexus user. I can forgive and laugh at the Maps thing but iOS just feels claustrophobic. And that's what you have to use everyday.

"Overall, though, this is still the same iOS you know, and all the steps you took to get things done in the last OS, or in iOS 4, or iOS 3 even — well those are pretty much the same too.

And some of those steps are maddening, or poorly thought out. In particular, Apple's implementation of "unobtrusive" notifications while you're using the phone stands out as one the weaker components of the system. Originally I saw Notification Center as a welcome relief from Apple's pop-up messages and alerts, but the way the company handles these beacons can now be nearly as annoying as the previous version. As I mentioned, instead of utilizing that new, taller screen to give you notifications removed from areas of the phone you regularly need to access (you know, like menus in apps), the notifications continue to pop down over the upper portion of the screen. The result is that you feel trapped, waiting for the message to disappear before you can access buttons you need to get to, or forced to swipe to the left on the message — a hidden function which scurries the dropdown away.

Elsewhere, Apple is still making users jump through hoops to perform simple tasks, like switching to a private browsing window or clearing the cache in Safari. It takes no less than six button presses and home key taps to make that happen while browsing. Settings in general are a mess — wonderful when you first set up the phone ("hey! everything is in one place!") but frustrating later when you have dozens of apps ("hey... everything is in one place"). Multitasking remains a black box, not representing app states and forcing what should be "always on" applications like IM clients into a constant state of shutdown warnings. Twitter won't update in the background (nor will clients like Tweetbot), meaning that you're always playing catchup with "realtime" services. (Mind you, on Android the Twitter app will load updates in the background, meaning that even if you're disconnected you'll likely have new content to view.) It sounds minor, but when taken as a whole and spread across multiple applications, it makes the OS feel claustrophobic, mysterious, and downright unhelpful at times.

There are also missed opportunities. Apple has opened social sharing options up to Twitter and Facebook, which is wonderful, but everyone else is out in the cold. Want to save a file to a Dropbox folder? Read an article later using Pocket? Post a picture to Tumblr right from the browser? Sorry, that's not possible. There may be some hacky bookmarklet to accomplish the task, but I can't imagine anyone believes that a kludgy line of JavaScript is the most elegant way to accomplish those tasks. And by the way, these are things I do every day on my phone, and things that I know lots of other people do. They may be fringe to Apple's target user, but they are a real part of the market at large. They are the part of the market pushing what smartphones are capable of and what they mean to users.

Apple also leaves developers empty-handed on widgets. It provides the minimally useful weather and stock widgets for the notification drawer, but isn't opening up that space to anyone else. And I must mention this — the fact that the weather icon continues to read 73 degrees and sunny when it is clearly possible to have icons update with at least some information (see the calendar icon) is now laughable at best, and sad at worst.

And what about actionable notifications? Notifications in Jelly Bean can be acted on without having to jump into an app, which is a fantastic addition to Android. I use them all the time. I would have loved to see Apple innovate in this area — especially considering the fact that iOS multitasking still doesn't represent an "always on" experience.

Don't get me wrong, iOS is a beautiful and well-structured mobile operating system — but it's begun to show its age. It feels less useful to me today than it did a couple of years ago, especially in the face of increasingly sophisticated competition. I always have this sense now in iOS of not knowing where I am, what my status is — constantly having to load things and reload them. It feels tiring.

Maybe you'll call me an Android fanboy for saying this, or maybe it's because much of my business utilizes Google apps and its communication tools, but it didn't take me very long with the iPhone 5 to start thinking about getting back to the Galaxy Nexus and Jelly Bean (Android 4.1). For what I do, I think it's a more effective, more elegant, and more powerful OS right now. What it may lack in polish and consistency, it makes up for in power and flexibility."
 
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Fingolfin269

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The quoted part above pretty much reflects the only thing he bashed. In the summary he basically points out that he's bored of iOS and has moved on to more open pastures. So the phone is great if you like iPhones or are in the probably 80% of folks who just want to have a phone that works well out of the box. (I made up that % obviously) If you like to tinker then it's not for you and you won't like it. I don't think that's earth shattering news to anyone here.

The iPhone 5 is unquestionably the best iPhone ever made, and for the mass market, it's the best smartphone, period. Between the new design, blazing fast LTE, and excellent battery life, there's little to not like here. It's a competent, confident, slick package, certainly made better by most (but not all) of the updates and changes in iOS 6. Despite the Maps issues and some questions about whether Passbook will be a viable product, there's no doubt that Apple has crafted a beast of a phone — a fine machine that is a worthy new entry in the most innovative line of products the company has ever made.

But there's also another segment of the market, of which I consider myself a part. That segment thinks that there's still a lot of work to be done in mobile devices; still a lot of innovation to come. And that's not innovation for the sake of innovation. I mean real innovation in the way we use our phones, in the flexibility of those operating systems, in how those devices become an extension of ourselves. For that segment, I think the iPhone 5 and iOS 6 fall short. There's a lot more work to be done, but right now Apple seems to be in a holding pattern, too comfortable or too scared to take real chances.

I'll be eagerly awaiting the moment that Apple joins the messy fray again. I have no doubt it will happen. But until then, thank goodness for competition.
 

ponyo

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Surprised usually he's an iPhone fanboy I thought.

He didn't bash it. He praised it. He's basically saying it's the best Mom's & Dad's phone out there. Like the guy in the Samsung's Galaxy S3 commercial standing in the iPhone preorder line for his parents. But I and other techies and geeks were hoping Apple would innovate on the software side again. Just like they did with the early iOS which blew all of us away including us tech geeks and nerds.
 

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He didn't bash it. He praised it. He's basically saying it's the best Mom's & Dad's phone out there. Like the guy in the Samsung's Galaxy S3 commercial standing in the iPhone preorder line for his parents. But I and other techies and geeks were hoping Apple would innovate on the software side again. Just like they did with the early iOS which blew all of us away including us tech geeks and nerds.
Maybe next time with the 5S release. I feel the iphone 5 is beta as the os has been tweaked and maps is pretty bad. I am sure apple will fix it either with the 5S release or ios 6.x release.
 

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He didn't bash it. He praised it. He's basically saying it's the best Mom's & Dad's phone out there. Like the guy in the Samsung's Galaxy S3 commercial standing in the iPhone preorder line for his parents. But I and other techies and geeks were hoping Apple would innovate on the software side again. Just like they did with the early iOS which blew all of us away including us tech geeks and nerds.

I can't disagree that the OS is stale, but on the other hand, nothing on the Nexus has blown me away and made me say 'OMG! How have I been missing this all of this time!?'

It's all kind of 'meh' for me right now. I don't see anything from any of the three camps that's innovative or revolutionary. This is all iteration based off iPhone OS 1. I'm switching back to iOS because I feel like it "clicks" with me better.
 

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I don't disagree that iOS is getting a bit long in the tooth and has some significant room for improvement. It's funny that he hits on the same complaint I've had since I started using iOS 4.X....the freaking weather icon...DYNAMICALLY UPDATE THE THING PLEASE!!!

Seriously...if you can update the calendar icon to reflect the date you can update the weather icon to reflect a number based on my location. I shouldn't have to open an app up to get such basic information.

Oh and shame on Apple for taking so freaking long to get the privacy notifications. I had that option on my 5 year old LG dumbphone.

It sounds like the hardware for the iPhone5 is pretty damn good, but iOS6 just seems like a giant swing and miss. I won't even go into the maps debacle...that's been covered enough on it's own.
 

bearxor

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I agree with the the Weather app, but that information is pretty easy to get on the notification center without "opening an app". And the good thing about that is you can pull it down from everywhere, so you don't even have to go to a specific screen to see the icon or even leave whatever app you might be in.
 
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I agree with the the Weather app, but that information is pretty easy to get on the notification center without "opening an app". And the good thing about that is you can pull it down from everywhere, so you don't even have to go to a specific screen to see the icon or even leave whatever app you might be in.

You're one of the biggest apple apologists I've seen here in awhile.
They've had 6 editions to get it figured out but they still haven't. They're out of excuses.
 

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Eh, I rarely use the notification shade. I'm just a creature of habit and used to just hitting home for my frequently used things. Weather, calendar, contacts, ect.

On the topic of other things...let me add widgets to the lock screen please! Calendar and weather on the lock screen would be great...thank you! Oh and quick replies. Again..something I've had since dumb phones were in existance.

I've jailbroke in the past and there's just so many little things that Apple *could* do...or at least allow. But doesn't.
 

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My wife is not into tinkering, and has a low tolerance for "tech frustrations", so now that she need a new phone (and smartphones are only the real alternative at this point) I feel like I should only consider the iPhone.

But I'm not very comfortable with it considering how limited it is compared to my GNex. I have an ipod touch so I'm familiar with iOS, and agree it's a bit fiddly, as Topolsky says. Clicking through endless menus to do basic settings, whereas I can put the wifi toggle in the pull down shade on Android. Why can't they do this?! (if it's in iOS 6 please let me know..)

I knew iOS was limited, but didn't realize how much until I got the nexus. A bunch of little things make me never want to go back to iOS, but I think that's just me. I love tweaking those things just the way I want them, and I know most people don't. My wife would probably be perfectly happy with it. Just open the box and go.. Plus I don't want to be responsible when I get her an Android phone and it throw weird errors:)
 

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You're one of the biggest apple apologists I've seen here in awhile.
They've had 6 editions to get it figured out but they still haven't. They're out of excuses.

Not to mention that if you jailbreak it and use the jailbreak app store (is it still Cydia?) you can find a tweak that gives you dynamic weather on that icon. It worked well on my iphone 4, so it's not like they can't figure it out.
 

shortylickens

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I admit I'd like to play with one for a weekend, but that would mean buying it and returning it, which I'm not crazy about. When I bought the Pre and returned it they didnt acknowledge my cancellation and kept billing me. When I finally got it cancelled they said it was after the 30 day grace period and stuck me for a termination fee. And I didnt have the phone. They know damn well it was returned cuz they could easily see the serial number in their inventory.
 

foghorn67

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Android is much more flexible on day to day use.
iOS relies heavily on "integration". Android doesn't need that. App developers would just include what services needed to be functional, and voila...there is your integration.
Download a file in Chrome/Web browser, have it save to your Drive/Dropbox/SkyDrive. Click on the file and choose what compatible app you want to open it with.
 

bearxor

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You're one of the biggest apple apologists I've seen here in awhile.
They've had 6 editions to get it figured out but they still haven't. They're out of excuses.

I don't believe I've apologized for it. I agreed that it should have happened by now.

Does that mean I can't simply point out a something I think is an acceptable alternative for quickly finding the tempature?

I mean, if that's what it means, I'll go back and edit the post to take that part out.
 

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As a developer, I am frustrated with the way Apple handles multitasking. It really takes away from any innovation I may have for a project I'm developing.

In fact, I might as well default most of my apps to "shut down" once the home button is pressed. At least then I'd know that the behavior is "predictable".

And the OS is growing long in the tooth. The "Home button" exists in an age where it shouldn't (by the way, I lament Android's virtual buttons much the same way). Advanced UI design would not require a "Home button" at all.

I agree with Joshua. Apple is playing it too safe with the OS. I think they should gamble more... seeing as they already took a bid with the new Maps app... which tanked their Maps APIs as a result. It's disastrous. Whereas the app I was developing just a month ago was accurate to a few meters with Google Maps, now it's wildly inaccurate and can be up to 1 mile off.
 

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I can't disagree that the OS is stale, but on the other hand, nothing on the Nexus has blown me away and made me say 'OMG! How have I been missing this all of this time!?'

It's all kind of 'meh' for me right now. I don't see anything from any of the three camps that's innovative or revolutionary. This is all iteration based off iPhone OS 1. I'm switching back to iOS because I feel like it "clicks" with me better.

When i downloaded a torrent on to my phone without using a PC and then played that video via my PS3 over DNLA i was pretty dam impressed.

Coming from an iphone there is ALOT more to like than anything iOS has to offer.
 

bearxor

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When i downloaded a torrent on to my phone without using a PC and then played that video via my PS3 over DNLA i was pretty dam impressed.

Coming from an iphone there is ALOT more to like than anything iOS has to offer.

Are we just talking about this paticular usage case? That's great if that's what you need it to do?

Me? I use Sickbeard/Couch Potato and SABNZBd+. I tell Sickbeard/CouchPotato what I want to download (through a web browser) and it downloads it. Then I can play it via my BoxeeBox from my iPhone or iPad.

Does that make what I do better? Well, yes, because I'm not using torrents. But no, my usage is just different. Everyone gets caught up in thinking their usage is the way things should be done. Everyone's different though...
 

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I can't disagree that the OS is stale, but on the other hand, nothing on the Nexus has blown me away and made me say 'OMG! How have I been missing this all of this time!?'

It's all kind of 'meh' for me right now. I don't see anything from any of the three camps that's innovative or revolutionary. This is all iteration based off iPhone OS 1. I'm switching back to iOS because I feel like it "clicks" with me better.

Samsung has more original features with the Galaxy 3 but of them are just neat as opposed to really useful.

And most of the innovation came from Palms WebOS, which got ripped off by everyone else who now considers them standard, universal features.
 

shortylickens

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As a developer, I am frustrated with the way Apple handles multitasking. It really takes away from any innovation I may have for a project I'm developing.

In fact, I might as well default most of my apps to "shut down" once the home button is pressed. At least then I'd know that the behavior is "predictable".

And the OS is growing long in the tooth. The "Home button" exists in an age where it shouldn't (by the way, I lament Android's virtual buttons much the same way). Advanced UI design would not require a "Home button" at all.

I agree with Joshua. Apple is playing it too safe with the OS. I think they should gamble more... seeing as they already took a bid with the new Maps app... which tanked their Maps APIs as a result. It's disastrous. Whereas the app I was developing just a month ago was accurate to a few meters with Google Maps, now it's wildly inaccurate and can be up to 1 mile off.

Dump the button and make the screen longer?
 

bearxor

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And most of the innovation came from Palms WebOS, which got ripped off by everyone else who now considers them standard, universal features.

Which innovation era are we talking about? Pre-webOS (Prior to CES-2009) or Post-webOS? iPhoneOS was shown off nearly two years before webOS. Not saying that either side hasn't lifted features and designs from webOS since but, as i noted, I consider this all interation, not innovation.

And I'm a big fan of some of those Samsung features. They're neat.

But again, I don't really consider it innovation. Innovation is something that changes the industry. Something that is just a complete rethought of things that have come before. I just haven't seen it. All the cool things Android and iOS and WP can do are nice and to some people they may consider them awesome feature they have to have, but to me, it just seems like we're still building on the framework Apple laid out in 2007.
 

Fx1

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Are we just talking about this paticular usage case? That's great if that's what you need it to do?

Me? I use Sickbeard/Couch Potato and SABNZBd+. I tell Sickbeard/CouchPotato what I want to download (through a web browser) and it downloads it. Then I can play it via my BoxeeBox from my iPhone or iPad.

Does that make what I do better? Well, yes, because I'm not using torrents. But no, my usage is just different. Everyone gets caught up in thinking their usage is the way things should be done. Everyone's different though...

The point is that Android allows any type of usage. iOS allows Apples type only. Thats the problem. You pay them £500 for the pleasure of only doing what they tell you that you can do.

My response to Apple is:

FU
 

runawayprisoner

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Dump the button and make the screen longer?

Dump the button and make the form factor shorter, or introduce a second front-facing camera so that it doesn't matter which orientation the device is held, you can always do FaceTime.

Or you can use both cameras for augmented reality...
 

Fingolfin269

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He didn't bash it. He praised it. He's basically saying it's the best Mom's & Dad's phone out there. .

That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying this is the phone for the masses while there are better phones out there for geeks who want to tinker. At least that's how I read it. I don't understand why anyone would refer to it as "Mom and Dad's Phone" unless the intent is to be inflammatory?

Obviously the divide can't be like this:

Mom & Dad's Phone

OR

Fully Customizable Geek Phone