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The value of MACS after january

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Originally posted by: tRaptor
If you have one already, now is probbly the time to sell. Like you said Macs have a high resell value for a long time. But when the conversion happens, people will be less and less willing to buy the older hardware. When you really think about it, the people that are usually buying used probably know a little bit more what they are doing, they will know about the conversion and will pay less.

That said, isant like iBook one of the last things to be converted over? I cant remember, but the conversion is not going to be instant, I'm not sure how that will make a difference. I'm guessing once it starts old hardware prices will gradually go down. Its not going to be a steep drop.

On the other side, hopefully Apple will have lower prices on the new x86 Macs when they come out. A big part of the switch has to do with $$ and getting the volume discounts from Intel. With Apple already having something like a 30% profit margin on (some) Mac models hopefully they will give the consumers some price breaks. Like a lot of people are saying, apple needs sub $600 portables and sub $400 desktops, will they give us that? I would say not in the near future, will they get closer to those prices? In my opinion, they will in order to remain competitive.

For those who are here to bash Macs, seriously whats your problem? Did they hurt your family in some way? Is it case they cost a little more? Or is it just that you have no idea what your taking about so your only response is to "bash what I don't understand"?

Seriously guys? At this point I don't even have a Mac. I really wish my Sister did, as well as my parents. I swear, my sis has no spyware, no viruses, and somehow shes managed to muck every thing up.

It's time for some of you to grow up, stop discriminating against what you dont understand, and quit being ignorant.

<--- mac basher reporting for duty, sir

i've actually used macs for a good portion of my computing life, from my family's first 16mhz apple to the 350mhz G3. i was 15 when i got my celeron 333 OCed to 550 with a voodoo3 3500, and that thing smoked the G3 and had far fewer (if any) crashing issues. windows based machines have always been far more reliable in my computing experience.

and for the record - take a look at anandtech's server benchmarks comparing a G5/OSX with G5/linux and Opterons/windows/linux (don't remember what the opterons are on, to be honest). the G5/OSX combo is many times slower, and it's often a factor of 3 or higher.
 
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
apples are ridiculously priced to begin with. even a steep price drop won't make them truly competitive, although it'll excite more mac fanbois.

A) No one asked for your opinion on Apple's pricing
B) I don't see how that comment was in any way helpful
C) Coming into a thread strictly to thread-crap on Christmas day is a great way to show what a true jackass you are.

how is my comment worse than the grammar nazi?

Does it matter? you were still a jackass

what's with the personal attacks?
 
For as much crap as Bose gets for pricing structure and it's dealer network, I hear NOTHING about Apple and the Mac debacle. Granted, they're well built and look all nice, but jeeezuz, it's way to much to pay when I can get a new comp from frys for #150.00
 
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
For as much crap as Bose gets for pricing structure and it's dealer network, I hear NOTHING about Apple and the Mac debacle. Granted, they're well built and look all nice, but jeeezuz, it's way to much to pay when I can get a new comp from frys for #150.00

thats because theres a tangible difference between USING something for work with the benefits it can have on productivity and listening to crappy speakers that sit on a bookshelf.

only cheapskates and people who know nothing about computers buy 200 dollars pc's from frys.
 
Originally posted by: tRaptor
Originally posted by: adambooth
Originally posted by: Shawn
LOL! My friend just got a brand new ibook for christmas. Sucks for him...

It does? The iBook is a great machine.

It should be at least 3+ years before the switch will be hitting him. I may be wrong on this one, but who keeps a laptop that long nowadays? Even if they do, the machine is not just going to stop working, slowly new software will begin to fade, and support from Apple will erode for the OS.

all the places Ive read say that the ibook and mac mini are the first two to be switched over. in fact, rumors say the update will be in january, 6 months ahead of schedule.

sources:
thinksecret.com
appleinsider.com
 
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

<--- mac basher reporting for duty, sir

i've actually used macs for a good portion of my computing life, from my family's first 16mhz apple to the 350mhz G3. i was 15 when i got my celeron 333 OCed to 550 with a voodoo3 3500, and that thing smoked the G3 and had far fewer (if any) crashing issues. windows based machines have always been far more reliable in my computing experience.

and for the record - take a look at anandtech's server benchmarks comparing a G5/OSX with G5/linux and Opterons/windows/linux (don't remember what the opterons are on, to be honest). the G5/OSX combo is many times slower, and it's often a factor of 3 or higher.

WTF? The voodoo 3 sucked and so did EVERYTHING prior to OS 10.2. You cannot compare 6 year old technology with current products no matter the platform. The G4/G5 hardware is very solid and the software is better than ever before. Try not to be so freaking close minded and set in your opinions.

 
Originally posted by: cerebusPu
Originally posted by: tRaptor
Originally posted by: adambooth
Originally posted by: Shawn
LOL! My friend just got a brand new ibook for christmas. Sucks for him...

It does? The iBook is a great machine.

It should be at least 3+ years before the switch will be hitting him. I may be wrong on this one, but who keeps a laptop that long nowadays? Even if they do, the machine is not just going to stop working, slowly new software will begin to fade, and support from Apple will erode for the OS.

all the places Ive read say that the ibook and mac mini are the first two to be switched over. in fact, rumors say the update will be in january, 6 months ahead of schedule.

sources:
thinksecret.com
appleinsider.com

Yeah, I had a feeling I was wrong on that one. Its been awhile since I looked into the switch. I would love to pickup a x86 Mini.
 
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: tRaptor
If you have one already, now is probbly the time to sell. Like you said Macs have a high resell value for a long time. But when the conversion happens, people will be less and less willing to buy the older hardware. When you really think about it, the people that are usually buying used probably know a little bit more what they are doing, they will know about the conversion and will pay less.

That said, isant like iBook one of the last things to be converted over? I cant remember, but the conversion is not going to be instant, I'm not sure how that will make a difference. I'm guessing once it starts old hardware prices will gradually go down. Its not going to be a steep drop.

On the other side, hopefully Apple will have lower prices on the new x86 Macs when they come out. A big part of the switch has to do with $$ and getting the volume discounts from Intel. With Apple already having something like a 30% profit margin on (some) Mac models hopefully they will give the consumers some price breaks. Like a lot of people are saying, apple needs sub $600 portables and sub $400 desktops, will they give us that? I would say not in the near future, will they get closer to those prices? In my opinion, they will in order to remain competitive.

For those who are here to bash Macs, seriously whats your problem? Did they hurt your family in some way? Is it case they cost a little more? Or is it just that you have no idea what your taking about so your only response is to "bash what I don't understand"?

Seriously guys? At this point I don't even have a Mac. I really wish my Sister did, as well as my parents. I swear, my sis has no spyware, no viruses, and somehow shes managed to muck every thing up.

It's time for some of you to grow up, stop discriminating against what you dont understand, and quit being ignorant.

<--- mac basher reporting for duty, sir

i've actually used macs for a good portion of my computing life, from my family's first 16mhz apple to the 350mhz G3. i was 15 when i got my celeron 333 OCed to 550 with a voodoo3 3500, and that thing smoked the G3 and had far fewer (if any) crashing issues. windows based machines have always been far more reliable in my computing experience.

and for the record - take a look at anandtech's server benchmarks comparing a G5/OSX with G5/linux and Opterons/windows/linux (don't remember what the opterons are on, to be honest). the G5/OSX combo is many times slower, and it's often a factor of 3 or higher.

what about anandtech's review of his Mac experience? i haven't read that in awhile but i think it was a positive experience for him as it is for me.

when it comes down to operating systems, i think Mac OS X Tiger is better than Windows XP Pro.

your opinions of the Mac are outdated. try using a current system of the Mac before you give a current opinion.
 
I don't think it will have much effect. Mac user's don't tend to upgrade much, they just buy new computers. Apple will still be supporting powerpc macs for a long time, and so will software companies that write software for macs. Powerpc Macs aren't going to suddenly get worse just because intel based macs come out. Initially there won't even be much of an advantage to having an intel mac. I doubt they'll be any cheaper and the p4s aren't going to be much faster than g5s either.
 
We have a really really nice mac at work, my wrist dies a little everytime I have to use that lousy mouse not to mention life sux with no right click
 
thespeakerbox, in my opinion PPC based Mac systems will suffer an equivalent of 0-6 months of normal price decline after the transition. Nothing to really worry about with Apple's decline rates.
 
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
apples are ridiculously priced to begin with. even a steep price drop won't make them truly competitive, although it'll excite more mac fanbois.

A) No one asked for your opinion on Apple's pricing
B) I don't see how that comment was in any way helpful
C) Coming into a thread strictly to thread-crap on Christmas day is a great way to show what a true jackass you are.
You're a puss.


 
Originally posted by: shilala
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
apples are ridiculously priced to begin with. even a steep price drop won't make them truly competitive, although it'll excite more mac fanbois.

A) No one asked for your opinion on Apple's pricing
B) I don't see how that comment was in any way helpful
C) Coming into a thread strictly to thread-crap on Christmas day is a great way to show what a true jackass you are.
You're a puss.

What does your brilliant daughter think about x86 macs and if they will affect the PPC resale value?
 
Originally posted by: tRaptor
It matters casue MACS = Mobile Air Conditioning Society. Ok maybe I just googled that 🙂 It just looks(and is) wrong when its used like that.

thats what i though the thread was about.
 
When new models are actually on store shelves, the older ones still in stock will be a couple hundred less. Otherwise, don't bother. And I'd sell before January, but it wouldn't be that big of a deal. People who buy Macs, especially the consumer line, are for the most part pretty clueless about anything technical, and have no idea/don't care about newer/faster products. Trust me, I know.
 
Originally posted by: Wahsapa
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
For as much crap as Bose gets for pricing structure and it's dealer network, I hear NOTHING about Apple and the Mac debacle. Granted, they're well built and look all nice, but jeeezuz, it's way to much to pay when I can get a new comp from frys for #150.00

thats because theres a tangible difference between USING something for work with the benefits it can have on productivity and listening to crappy speakers that sit on a bookshelf.

only cheapskates and people who know nothing about computers buy 200 dollars pc's from frys.

Screw you, The point is is that a $150.00 computer from FRy's can still get the homework done, the Ipod loaded, the pr0n surfed, etc. The point is is that sound is so subjective as to be an individual experience. If the consumer likes what they're listening to, what does it matter if YOU think they're overpriced, overmarketed.
Why don't you try addressing the issue instead of insinuating I'm a Cheapskate or Know nothing about computers, you smug SOB.
 
MacWorld or whatever that Mac convention is always held in January and Apple always introduce new hardware then. I would sell any used Macs before then and I would hold off on any new Mac purchase until after the MacWorld convention in January.
 
Originally posted by: tRaptor
Originally posted by: adambooth
Originally posted by: Shawn
LOL! My friend just got a brand new ibook for christmas. Sucks for him...

It does? The iBook is a great machine.

It should be at least 3+ years before the switch will be hitting him. I may be wrong on this one, but who keeps a laptop that long nowadays? Even if they do, the machine is not just going to stop working, slowly new software will begin to fade, and support from Apple will erode for the OS.

I have a laptop from 2000, sony vaio, surprisingly enough it still runs well but thats probably because I took care of it. The only reason I upgraded was because of the fact the laptop was power inefficient, it was unable to watch a 1:30 movie and thats when I decided to get a decent laptop (T42). The sony laptop also doesn't have a real video card either so that was another reason. I will likely not upgrade to a newer laptop for a long while/as long as it doesn't fail. There isn't a real reason for me to and no, I'm not going to install vista on there..
 
Originally posted by: Wahsapa
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
For as much crap as Bose gets for pricing structure and it's dealer network, I hear NOTHING about Apple and the Mac debacle. Granted, they're well built and look all nice, but jeeezuz, it's way to much to pay when I can get a new comp from frys for #150.00

thats because theres a tangible difference between USING something for work with the benefits it can have on productivity and listening to crappy speakers that sit on a bookshelf.

only cheapskates and people who know nothing about computers buy 200 dollars pc's from frys.

Actually, I'd find that to be the reverse, I would buy the $200 computer from frys if it had AGP because I DO know about computers and how I could make it into a worthwhile machine...
 
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