the validity of faith

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McGyver

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Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: McGyver
Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: McGyver
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: McGyver
Originally posted by: Nik
Why did you make this thread?

1) this has been argued ad nauseum between science freaks and religious nutballs that both know way more than anyone on these forums
2) this has been argued ad nauseum between science freaks and religious nutballs on this very forum
3) there's a thread about THIS VERY SUBJECT still on the first page

Please... for the love of god, /yourself. Thanks.

because there's nothing to argue about when the question itself is fundamentally flawed. and people are still dumb enough to troll for pages without consideration of the erroneous question posted in the first place.

Yup.. that ends it. There is really nothing that's "arguable". You can't use logic to argue someone's faith, because faith wasn't induced by logic to begin with.

finally, those two morons who trolled at first can shut up forever...

I am glad that took its own thread...

i'm not implying it's u, but sometimes morons do jump in threads that they have no clue whatsoever. hence, the single smiley and no input.

1. If I was going to argue a point, I would argue it in the other thread.

2. I read the other thread earlier today(yesterday technically) and found it quite interesting.

3. I did not participate in the other thread because arguing religion online is like trying to convert people to your party in P&N.

4. I put a confused smiley because I was confused as to why you would post this thread which could have easily been discussed in the other. Hence, all the input I needed to convey my feelings.

you were and still are confused. why should i post this in another thread when we're talking about two different topics? rapidsnail is discussing about faith and i'm talking about the logic of his question.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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If you think about it, your question and his question are really the same question -or, rather, one question must be asked along with the other. This really *does* belong in the other thread :p
 

McGyver

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Originally posted by: Nik
If you think about it, your question and his question are really the same question -or, rather, one question must be asked along with the other. This really *does* belong in the other thread :p

my qeustion is really simple, how can people argue about a non-valid question all the time?

this is a wake up call for people like you. people who are overly zealous in proclaiming his/her belief without taking a closer look at the question. you should say in ur first post in that thread, the question is invalid, there's nothing to talk about, period. instead, you're here arguing with me about the choice of a smiley. i have great respect for you.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: McGyver
Originally posted by: Nik
If you think about it, your question and his question are really the same question -or, rather, one question must be asked along with the other. This really *does* belong in the other thread :p

my qeustion is really simple, how can people argue about a non-valid question all the time?

this is a wake up call for people like you. people who are overly zealous in proclaiming his/her belief without taking a closer look at the question. you should say in ur first post in that thread, the question is invalid, there's nothing to talk about, period. instead, you're here arguing with me about the choice of a smiley. i have great respect for you.

I do it because I'm really tired and your boring, retarded nonsense is helping put me to sleep. Thanks, man. :p

:moon:
 

loic2003

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'Faith' is nothing more than belief in a shared delusion. If you were the only one who believed in this god being, you'd have to have pretty strong 'faith' to continue believing it despite being on your own. The fact that there's millions of others who share the delusion makes it easier to believe in the fantasy. People want to believe because it's comforting to feel that you don't have to take complete control over your life as well as the obvious comforting factor of there being an afterlife.

It's a delusion. The bible was altered and twisted in order to maintain control over the people. Religion is interesting to observe, but I regard it the same way you may be interested in egyptology: facinating, but certainly belongs in the past with people of a less advanced nature.


/religious threads
 

McGyver

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: McGyver
Originally posted by: Nik
If you think about it, your question and his question are really the same question -or, rather, one question must be asked along with the other. This really *does* belong in the other thread :p

my qeustion is really simple, how can people argue about a non-valid question all the time?

this is a wake up call for people like you. people who are overly zealous in proclaiming his/her belief without taking a closer look at the question. you should say in ur first post in that thread, the question is invalid, there's nothing to talk about, period. instead, you're here arguing with me about the choice of a smiley. i have great respect for you.

I do it because I'm really tired and your boring, retarded nonsense is helping put me to sleep. Thanks, man. :p

:moon:

is that a concession? lol :);):p:D:cool::thumbsup: hey, analyse these.
 

Baked

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World of Warcraft just released all new tier 3 raid armor. Guess what the Priest set's called? Faith.
 

yhelothar

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Originally posted by: loic2003
'Faith' is nothing more than belief in a shared delusion. If you were the only one who believed in this god being, you'd have to have pretty strong 'faith' to continue believing it despite being on your own. The fact that there's millions of others who share the delusion makes it easier to believe in the fantasy. People want to believe because it's comforting to feel that you don't have to take complete control over your life as well as the obvious comforting factor of there being an afterlife.

It's a delusion. The bible was altered and twisted in order to maintain control over the people. Religion is interesting to observe, but I regard it the same way you may be interested in egyptology: facinating, but certainly belongs in the past with people of a less advanced nature.


/religious threads

Hahaha, that's actually quite true. My last ex was a pretty devout christian, and one of her main reasons for believing in god was that when she feels helpless(like always), she can pray for god to help take over. She was one of the most passive people I've ever met in dealing with problems. Proof of how religion can easily harm someone.
 

sandorski

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The true McGyver already created the True Faith. A quick run through the kitchen found some tomatoes, spices, and spaghetti and thus FSM was created.
 

NTB

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The bible as a whole may never be proven, but bits and pieces of it have been, while other parts, though not necessarily proven, almost *have* to be true; the stories appear in different cultures all over the world.

For example, a pair of cities, long ago destoyed by a volcano, may well have been the basis for Soddom and Gamorrah (sp?). The wreckage of a boat may well rest somewhere up on Mount Ararat, and there is other evidence of a universal or near-universal flood event. This is just off the top of my head; I'm sure there's other stuff, as well.

Nate
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: McGyver
proving is a scientific process or rather a statement to demonstrate by evidence the truth or existence of something. faith, however, requires strong personal belief in a religion, often based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof. if someone asked you a dumb question such as can u disprove the bible? all u have to ask is can u prove that god created earth in 6 days? can u prove that jesus was born of a virgin? this is even better, can u prove that jesus walked on water and so on...

it's really a contradiction of principles and ideas by asking that kind of question. proving and believing in faith doesn't go along hand in hand in a logical statement.

Just go through the Bible and look for passages that contradict each other. You'll find several. This is in a sense "disproving" the Bible. In science, if a scientific theory contains two conflicting assets, then it is disproven.