The USSC rules on religious freedom case

[CADsortaGUY]

"Freedom of" or "Freedom from"....

I'm sure we'll hear the normal gnashing of teeth regarding the so-called "separation" issue but clearly denying one to practice their religion of choice steps all over the Freedom OF religion principle. I'm sure some(on both sides) will also think that such rulings somehow "promote" religion because the state provides material for such things.

I just hope that this doesn't cause a rash of so-called new "religions".😉

CsG

 

[Genx87]

I would think so but...

Justices unanimously sided with Ohio inmates, including a witch and a Satanist, who had claimed they were denied access to religious literature, ceremonial items and time to worship.

They will spin it as the christians were set in their place.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

I just hope that this doesn't cause a rash of so-called new "religions".😉

CsG

What is a so-called religion?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Genx87

They will spin it as the christians were set in their place.

What's to spin??? 😕

The Christian inmates were given time and access for Christian service while the rest were skunked.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

I just hope that this doesn't cause a rash of so-called new "religions".😉

CsG

What is a so-called religion?

Barbiedoll religion - the worship of Barbie
Football Sunday religion - the worship of sunday football

Need more absurd examples of my statement? Are you really that obtuse that you don't understand that people can and will make up a "religion" so as to gain something? :roll:

CsG

 

[DealMonkey]

Please note Ginsberg's statement: "It confers no privileged status on any particular religious sect, and singles out no bona fide faith for disadvantageous treatment," Ginsburg wrote.

Confering privileged status on a particular religious sect (i.e. Christianity in most cases) is what many are complaining about when they complain about separation of church & state. Placing Christian (and only Christian) iconography and symbols on/in our government buildings is just one example of this sort of behavior.

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

I just hope that this doesn't cause a rash of so-called new "religions".😉

CsG

What is a so-called religion?

Barbiedoll religion - the worship of Barbie
Football Sunday religion - the worship of sunday football

Need more absurd examples of my statement? Are you really that obtuse that you don't understand that people can and will make up a "religion" so as to gain something? :roll:

CsG

Your statement is pretty obtuse too. All religions are made up so as to gain something.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Are you really that obtuse that you don't understand that people can and will make up a "religion" so as to gain something?

Are you really that obtuse that you don't realize that this has been happening all along?

Doh, the Mushroom beat me to it. 😱

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Please note Ginsberg's statement: "It confers no privileged status on any particular religious sect, and singles out no bona fide faith for disadvantageous treatment," Ginsburg wrote.

Confering privileged status on a particular religious sect (i.e. Christianity in most cases) is what many are complaining about when they complain about separation of church & state. Placing Christian (and only Christian) iconography and symbols on/in our government buildings is just one example of this sort of behavior.

Except there are other symbols carved into those same buildings.

Also:

Tuesday's decision overturns a ruling by the Cincinnati-based 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which had struck down part of the law, called the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act, on grounds it violated the separation of church and state.

CsG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
Your statement is pretty obtuse too. All religions are made up so as to gain something.

Only if you believe that all religion is made up. Ofcourse those beliefs could be construed as a religion all it's own, but that's a different story...

CsG

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Except there are other symbols carved into those same buildings.

I think you're (at minimum) assuming what building(s) I'm talking about. 😉

For illustration purposes, let's look at Judge Moore and his ten commandments monument. Clearly, this example fits the constitutional issue noted by Ginsberg: "It confers no privileged status on any particular religious sect..."

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Except there are other symbols carved into those same buildings.

I think you're (at minimum) assuming what building(s) I'm talking about. 😉

For illustration purposes, let's look at Judge Moore and his ten commandments monument. Clearly, this example fits the constitutional issue noted by Ginsberg: "It confers no privileged status on any particular religious sect..."

Then a statue/carving of a Greek God is treated the same- no?

CsG

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
Your statement is pretty obtuse too. All religions are made up so as to gain something.

Only if you believe that all religion is made up. Ofcourse those beliefs could be construed as a religion all it's own, but that's a different story...

CsG

Well ok, all but one; and, since there is no clear consensus on which one...

😛

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

I just hope that this doesn't cause a rash of so-called new "religions".😉

CsG

What is a so-called religion?

Barbiedoll religion - the worship of Barbie
Football Sunday religion - the worship of sunday football

Absurdity can't be a test...

Need more absurd examples of my statement? Are you really that obtuse that you don't understand that people can and will make up a "religion" so as to gain something? :roll:

CsG

People make up all religions to gain something, as others have said.

You sure are testy in just about all your threads.

 

[piasabird]

I want to build a big tower like they had in the Conan movies with snakes and acolytes right in the middle of a prison courtyard. Or better yet I want a bull elephant to pray to like those elephant statues in India. Possibly I can use other inmates and we can build a big pyramid.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

I just hope that this doesn't cause a rash of so-called new "religions".😉

CsG

What is a so-called religion?

Barbiedoll religion - the worship of Barbie
Football Sunday religion - the worship of sunday football

Absurdity can't be a test...

Need more absurd examples of my statement? Are you really that obtuse that you don't understand that people can and will make up a "religion" so as to gain something? :roll:

CsG

People make up all religions to gain something, as others have said.

You sure are testy in just about all your threads.

Again, only if you think all religion is made up, but that brings up other issues.😉

You sure are obtuse in just about all your threads. :roll:

CsG

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Again, only if you think all religion is made up, but that brings up other issues.😉

Everyone thinks everyone else's religion is made up. How do you want the SC court to go about it? It can't base it on absurdity. It can't base it on being made up. What do you think it should base it on?

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I want to build a big tower like they had in the Conan movies with snakes and acolytes right in the middle of a prison courtyard.
Or better yet I want a bull elephant to pray to like those elephant statues in India.
Possibly I can use other inmates and we can build a big pyramid.

Go for it ! It would look good in East Alton, overlooking the refineries.
Build all three together as a colossus to arrogance and stupidity.

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
Your statement is pretty obtuse too. All religions are made up so as to gain something.

Only if you believe that all religion is made up. Ofcourse those beliefs could be construed as a religion all it's own, but that's a different story...

CsG

That is rubbish that has been discussed many times in other threads. Not believing in any of the made up religions is NOT a religion.
Also, there are plenty of historical references that confirm that all religion is made up.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Except there are other symbols carved into those same buildings.

I think you're (at minimum) assuming what building(s) I'm talking about. 😉

For illustration purposes, let's look at Judge Moore and his ten commandments monument. Clearly, this example fits the constitutional issue noted by Ginsberg: "It confers no privileged status on any particular religious sect..."

Then a statue/carving of a Greek God is treated the same- no?

CsG

Did Judge Moore erect statues of a Greek God? No, I don't believe he did. Technically, if there are people still around who worship Greek Gods, then it could potentially be an issue. Unless Moore ordered statues of Greek Gods to be placed on his courthouse grounds, then I think you're duh-verting ... as you would say. 😛

 

[EagleKeeper]

Now what is going to happen when the tax shysters get ahold of this ruling.

They will create religons my mail and allow one to become tx-exempt.

The IRS can not touch those that then declare themselves to be tax-exempt.

congress will have to re-craft the laws to weed out this trash. And/or better; just pull all tax exempt status for religious declarations.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Now what is going to happen when the tax shysters get ahold of this ruling.

They will create religons my mail and allow one to become tx-exempt.

The IRS can not touch those that then declare themselves to be tax-exempt.

congress will have to re-craft the laws to weed out this trash. And/or better; just pull all tax exempt status for religious declarations.

Again, what makes you think certain religions are more worthy of tax-exemption than others?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
Your statement is pretty obtuse too. All religions are made up so as to gain something.

Only if you believe that all religion is made up. Ofcourse those beliefs could be construed as a religion all it's own, but that's a different story...

CsG

That is rubbish that has been discussed many times in other threads. Not believing in any of the made up religions is NOT a religion.
Also, there are plenty of historical references that confirm that all religion is made up.

Well, a person said this morning that promotion of abstinence was "promotion of a certain form of sexuality and a certain form of sexual morality" so if that is the case then promotion of believing in no religion is a form of religion and religious morality - no?
But again, that's a different topic all together. Just because you or someone else believes that they are all made up does not mean they are.

CsG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Except there are other symbols carved into those same buildings.

I think you're (at minimum) assuming what building(s) I'm talking about. 😉

For illustration purposes, let's look at Judge Moore and his ten commandments monument. Clearly, this example fits the constitutional issue noted by Ginsberg: "It confers no privileged status on any particular religious sect..."

Then a statue/carving of a Greek God is treated the same- no?

CsG

Did Judge Moore erect statues of a Greek God? No, I don't believe he did. Technically, if there are people still around who worship Greek Gods, then it could potentially be an issue. Unless Moore ordered statues of Greek Gods to be placed on his courthouse grounds, then I think you're duh-verting ... as you would say. 😛

So if no one worships or believes in them means they aren't religious and therefore are ok? If moore can't have the ten commandments then there best be nothing of religious nature - lest it be promotion.

But yes, it would be nice if you would get back to the OP😀

CsG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Now what is going to happen when the tax shysters get ahold of this ruling.

They will create religons my mail and allow one to become tx-exempt.

The IRS can not touch those that then declare themselves to be tax-exempt.

congress will have to re-craft the laws to weed out this trash. And/or better; just pull all tax exempt status for religious declarations.

Again, what makes you think certain religions are more worthy of tax-exemption than others?

The bigger question is who is the arbiter of what is or isn't a religion?

CsG