The USA is Leaderless...

[shadow9d9]

Don't need to read any more of your post to know you're clueless.

The Saudi's hate us because we didn't attack Iran, and because we didn't attack Syria. Search it up and learn the difference between Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Citation needed. Also be sure to cite where they thought that our ME interference for the last 50 years(Israel), propping up dictators that suit us, and invading and occuping random countries in their region has thrilled them...

 

[shadow9d9]

I thought he was going to fix our international relationships after Bush. Is it possible he's actually making them worse?

A murdoch rag is very credible.

 

[destey]

3. The NSA is out of control. (Merkel had her phone tapped as well.)- Yes. Bush should not have started this program. Did you post here about how he was not a real leader when implementing this? Obama is middle/right, so it is no surprise that it continues. Congress also does nothing. They are ALL to blame.

5. Health Care reform is / was a joke because Congress went out of control and wasn't reigned in by a strong leader.- It is a joke because Obama is so middle/right that he STARTED with the Republican healthcare plan and it continued to ...

I agreed with a couple of your points about Bush, as a libertarian we don't have much in common... but that statement about obama, wow. I don't see how you have any credibility making statements like that.

 

[boomerang]

I agreed with a couple of your points about Bush, as a libertarian we don't have much in common... but that statement about obama, wow. I don't see how you have any credibility making statements like that.

You don't know him well enough. If you stood as extreme left as you could get and looked way, way off in the distance, he'd be a speck on the horizon.

Stalin is slightly left of center from his perspective.

 

[destey]

So Shadow, what is your opinion on a society, should taxes be 100% and govt provides for everything? IE communism? Central planners specify what our careers will be, where we shall live, and who are mates should be for the betterment of society?

What do you think of James madison, and his veto of the public water works bill saying the federal govt wasn't created to do such things. http://www.constitution.org/jm/18170303_veto.htm

Or do you think society should discard such ideology and through the processes outlined in the constitution, change the constitution itself to be more of a communist society?

TIA, just curious to the inner workings of a .. well I'm not sure what I would call your ideology

 

[unokitty]

'Out of Hand': Europe Furious Over US Spying Allegations

"With each leak, American soft power hemorrhages, and hard power threatens to seep away with it," wrote Britain's left-wing Guardian newspaper on Wednesday evening. The commentary went on to question what it means "to be an American ally in the 21st century."


Germany and France united in fury over U.S. spying accusations

For Germany the matter is particularly sensitive. Not only does the government say it has evidence the chancellor's personal phone was monitored, but the very idea of bugging dredges up memories of eavesdropping by the Stasi secret police in the former East Germany, where Merkel grew up.

Would leaderless be preferable to what the US has now?

Or, is Obama just waiting to send Susan Rice out again to blame all of the problems on a youtube video again?

LOL

Uno

 

[FerrelGeek]

Gotta love the "I just can't make up my mind" GOP; one minute Obama is a Hitler-esque dictator, the next he isn't a leader at all and can't do anything.

The GOP should try and make up their mind on this, instead of flip-flopping from one side to the other.

Not all leaders are dictators and not all dictators are leaders. Obama is a classic narcissist with a seriously over-inflated opinion of himself. He's also someone that appears to be used to getting his way and doesn't react well when he doesn't get it. He surrounds himself with yes-people who seem to be terrified to tell him 'no' or to give him bad news. He has NO practical private sector experience; any kid who's run a lemonade stand has more business experience that him. He's not a leader in the true sense of the word. He reacts with union / community organizer thugishness to get what he wants, i.e., dictatorial tendencies.

No doubt you'll vehemently disagree (along with the other messiah worshipers on here), but whatever.

 

[TallBill]

Wrong. Deficit is down from $1.4 trillion in 2009 to $642 billion in 2013......http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs.../24/has-obama-cut-the-budget-deficit-in-half/

Which is still 40% higher than the deficit in 2008, which was still too high.

 

[Juddog]

Not all leaders are dictators and not all dictators are leaders. Obama is a classic narcissist with a seriously over-inflated opinion of himself. He's also someone that appears to be used to getting his way and doesn't react well when he doesn't get it. He surrounds himself with yes-people who seem to be terrified to tell him 'no' or to give him bad news. He has NO practical private sector experience; any kid who's run a lemonade stand has more business experience that him. He's not a leader in the true sense of the word. He reacts with union / community organizer thugishness to get what he wants, i.e., dictatorial tendencies.

No doubt you'll vehemently disagree (along with the other messiah worshipers on here), but whatever.

LOL now he's a messiah? Make up your mind already!

 

[Juddog]

GOP Mindset:
* Cock block everything Obama does
* Complain he's not doing enough, after you just blocked him from trying to do something
* When he compromises, call him a coward / say the country is leaderless
* When he doesn't compromise, call him a fascist dictator / Hitler / messiah

 

[Texashiker]

GOP Mindset:
* Cock block everything Obama does
* Complain he's not doing enough, after you just blocked him from trying to do something
* When he compromises, call him a coward / say the country is leaderless
* When he doesn't compromise, call him a fascist dictator / Hitler / messiah

It is not a matter of comprising on internal affairs, it is compromising on external affairs.

 

[Juddog]

It is not a matter of comprising on internal affairs, it is compromising on external affairs.

He got what he wanted out of Syria with as little American involvement as possible, which is exactly what the GOP members in this very forum were hoping that he would do; then suddenly he has no backbone? Make up your mind and stop flip flopping.

The GOP mindset of "whatever Obama does is wrong" is getting tired. He does something that falls exactly in line with what the GOP wanted and he's weak / not a leader; he does something the GOP didn't want and he's a messiah / dictator.

The GOP position has become lulz-worthy as of late; they literally go to the opposite opinion of whatever the President decides to do at any one time.

 

[werepossum]

Umm no! You just think 60 votes is required because republicans will threaten filibuster. There is no rule that requires 60 votes for a bill (unless a filibuster is used/threatened).

Now compare that to the house where bohner requires a majority of his caucus to approve of action before action can be taken.

That's quite different.

The Senate requires Democrat leadership to approve of a bill before that bill is brought up. Why do you think most House bills die in committee?

Citation needed. Also be sure to cite where they thought that our ME interference for the last 50 years(Israel), propping up dictators that suit us, and invading and occuping random countries in their region has thrilled them...

The Saudis are probably the one Arab nation which approves of our meddling in the Middle East, as that has kept the Saudis firmly at the top of the heap and freed them from a very expensive arms race with a bunch of even more insane Arabs.

Which is still 40% higher than the deficit in 2008, which was still too high.

40% higher than the deficits the left told us were destroying the nation.

 

[unokitty]

US deficit. another record for Obama!

LOL

Uno

 

[Moonbeam]

Not all leaders are dictators and not all dictators are leaders. Obama is a classic narcissist with a seriously over-inflated opinion of himself. He's also someone that appears to be used to getting his way and doesn't react well when he doesn't get it. He surrounds himself with yes-people who seem to be terrified to tell him 'no' or to give him bad news. He has NO practical private sector experience; any kid who's run a lemonade stand has more business experience that him. He's not a leader in the true sense of the word. He reacts with union / community organizer thugishness to get what he wants, i.e., dictatorial tendencies.

No doubt you'll vehemently disagree (along with the other messiah worshipers on here), but whatever.

We always call others what we have contempt for in ourselves. Adding credence to this fact, I think, if that the messiah worshipers are typically fundamentalist Republicans. You should understand that the points Juddog are so indicative of a capacity to think without having to protect his ego from pain, that he will likely be more than able to critique Obama rationally. The liberal mind isn't given to fanatical adherence to some altered reality. They don't have the kind of brain defect that creates this kind of denial.

 

[raildogg]

People actually think Obama controls anything? Lol.

He's a puppet, with the exact same damn policies as the puppet before him, as the puppet before him. But he's got a (D) in front of his name so instead of calling him a Nazi fascist like Bush we call him a communist. Loves the same out of control deficit spending as Bush, the same kind of illegal war as Bush, the same patriot act as Bush, the same NSA, the same TSA, the same Homeland security. Bush expands medicare/medicaid, Obama creates the "affordable care act", with is nothing more than a gimme to the health insurance companies and the derivative douchebag bankers that own them.

The last real President we had got shot in the fucking head for acting like one. And the one right before him warned us all this shit would happen. GJ America.

/rant
/tinfoil

:thumbsup:

The ACA might be more than what you wrote though.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

He got what he wanted out of Syria with as little American involvement as possible, which is exactly what the GOP members in this very forum were hoping that he would do; then suddenly he has no backbone? Make up your mind and stop flip flopping.

The GOP mindset of "whatever Obama does is wrong" is getting tired. He does something that falls exactly in line with what the GOP wanted and he's weak / not a leader; he does something the GOP didn't want and he's a messiah / dictator.

The GOP position has become lulz-worthy as of late; they literally go to the opposite opinion of whatever the President decides to do at any one time.

The GOP is completely useless and I agree that much criticism is a reactionary response to having nothing to offer. I believe though that there is a tendency to give too much deference to those in power who say they know the way but never really learn the substance of the matter at hand and indeed do not want to. I have seen that demonstrated by both parties. There is a need on the part of a great many people to identify with someone of influence and/or power and call that one a leader "who knows best" even if they wouldn't phrase it that way. I can think of two major cases in recent history, one on each side, where ignorance is bliss, faith is not an option, and the defense is to generally circle up the wagons. It has always been thus.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

We always call others what we have contempt for in ourselves. Adding credence to this fact, I think, if that the messiah worshipers are typically fundamentalist Republicans. You should understand that the points Juddog are so indicative of a capacity to think without having to protect his ego from pain, that he will likely be more than able to critique Obama rationally. The liberal mind isn't given to fanatical adherence to some altered reality. They don't have the kind of brain defect that creates this kind of denial.

Then there are very few liberals, but a great many who call themselves such. My perceptions though aren't the same as most so your perspective may be otherwise, but I can accept a difference of opinion. The labels, the pasteboard mask if you will isn't as important as the thing behind.

 

[Atreus21]

Gotta love the "I just can't make up my mind" GOP; one minute Obama is a Hitler-esque dictator, the next he isn't a leader at all and can't do anything.

The GOP should try and make up their mind on this, instead of flip-flopping from one side to the other.

Oh c'mon. You guys were no different about Bush.

 

[werepossum]

Offshoring your good middle class jobs will do all of the above.....and did.

No fixing it until we reverse course....

Add in:

11. Wages have been stagnant for a decade + and not moving much now either (unless you're at the top of the chain).

Since no one else is commenting, I will. You're absolutely right. D or R is largely a guessing game over a few percentage points, and will be until we once again figure out how to make more than we consume. The problem is that simple.

Yay... the amount we are overspending per year is half as bad as it was 4 years ago.

Until we have a balanced budget and the cumulative national debt is decreasing, every single politician in washington should be fired.

Well said, and I agree completely.

 

[chucky2]

1. The Saudis hate us as of today.

That's nothing new, we're good business partners, not best buddies.

2. Obama was shown who is boss by Putin during the Syria mess. Made himself look even weaker.

True.

3. The NSA is out of control. (Merkel had her phone tapped as well.)

True. But it'd have been no different with a McCain or Romney, so it's not like Obama is any different than the other two possibles that'd be POTUS if Obama had lost either time.

4. All of our allies hate us because the NSA hasn't been reigned in by Obama but rather given a blank check.

They just publically hate us. Privately, they wish and strive for their intelligence to be as good or better than ours. Thinking they aren't doing the same things, or wouldn't if they could, is naive.

5. Health Care reform is / was a joke because Congress went out of control and wasn't reigned in by a strong leader.

I don't think Obama had much chance here. You had Pelosi and Reid own this and F this up. Obama was along for the ride no matter what. He can't go against his party, and Pelosi and Reid are simply too inept to produce effective governance. It's like becoming the captain of a ship only to realize your officers are The Two Stooges.

6. Afghanistan is still a money pit without end.

This isn't Obamas fault. This is Bush, the Reps, The Dems, and the American peoples fault. Until we can accept as the American people that we are going to sink tens if not hundreds of Billions, along with loss of life/casualties, and spend decades in these places, and owning their future, along with at the start being their Leadership (because their Leadership simply can't be trusted to get it right), we are going to have politicians do the easy thing that will keep them in office. The easy thing doesn't work for these countries. We need to either pre-commit to the hard thing, or, just never go in.

7. Guantanamo hasn't been closed.

Good. It serves a use. Once Obama figured that out, he backed off closing it. Helped get him elected though, didn't it? Suckers...

8. Job growth is nill.

Nothing Obama can do about that. Economy is bigger than POTUS. POTUS is just along for ride.

9. The economy is not growing.

See above.

10. Debts and deficits are still growing uncontrollably.

This is good thing. I've done a 180 on this myself. I used to advocate for living within ones means both personally, but also, govmentally. That is for suckers. The hard truth is that US society has long since hit the critical mass needed to have a mentality of spend now pay never. Of getting something for nothing, or, far far more cheaply than they ever could have gotten it. We have generations now indoctrinated like this. We have 10's of millions who think it's cool that people on public assistance can buy a Pepsi on the public dole. They're happy that happens. And, they vote. We have 10's of millions who are happy illegals are here - from boths sides of the aisle for various reasons. Long term, this country is F'd. Obama can't do anything about this, so like every other Politician, he does what he knows will get him elected and make him look good: Spend money we don't have, get an army of paid backers into that ideology to justify it by any means necessary. Think McCain or Romney would have been different? No.

On and on and on and on...

I am fully aware that one man can't change everything or even anything but one can make a difference. A good leader does things that motivate the people around him, whether they agree or disagree. And I just don't see Obama doing anything. He might as well be an empty suit. I just don't see any leaders out there anywhere on either side of the aisle.

Look man, I get what you're saying. You need to KCCO, take a chill, and enjoy these good times. These are the good times. Don't worry about all this small stuff above. Do you really think it matters? No matter how angry you get, we still will have the illegal invasion continue. Both political parties have already thrown in to kowtow to the illegal demographic vote. We will continue to blow tremendous sums of money we don't have. Other countries really don't matter, they never have. Kick back and enjoy man, get while the gettins good. Apply for those benefits, work the system. You owe it to yourself.

Chuck

 

[Gintaras]

1. The Saudis hate us as of today.
2. Obama was shown who is boss by Putin during the Syria mess. Made himself look even weaker.
3. The NSA is out of control. (Merkel had her phone tapped as well.)
4. All of our allies hate us because the NSA hasn't been reigned in by Obama but rather given a blank check.
5. Health Care reform is / was a joke because Congress went out of control and wasn't reigned in by a strong leader.
6. Afghanistan is still a money pit without end.
7. Guantanamo hasn't been closed.
8. Job growth is nill.
9. The economy is not growing.
10. Debts and deficits are still growing uncontrollably.

On and on and on and on...

I am fully aware that one man can't change everything or even anything but one can make a difference. A good leader does things that motivate the people around him, whether they agree or disagree. And I just don't see Obama doing anything. He might as well be an empty suit. I just don't see any leaders out there anywhere on either side of the aisle.

Stupid White Men...who need someone to put a leash on their necks and someone to wipe their asses...

Well, maybe need to outsource President's position? Maybe China? It could be good - it would teach americans how to make anything themselves?

OP sounds to me, like a bunch kids home alone in a mess and looking when Mom And Pop comes home and will make everything back in order....