The US prison system is unstoppable.

tommywishbone

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The expense and insanity of this policy is going to break America, but the sheeple won't care... they're too scared. Scared sheeple never care... they're just cowards.


1 in 136 U.S. Residents Behind Bars [/b][/u]By ELIZABETH WHITE, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 8 minutes ago, May 21, 2006.

WASHINGTON - Prisons and jails added more than 1,000 inmates each week for a year, putting almost 2.2 million people, or one in every 136 U.S. residents, behind bars by last summer.

The total on June 30, 2005, was 56,428 more than at the same time in 2004, the government reported Sunday. That 2.6 percent increase from mid-2004 to mid-2005 translates into a weekly rise of 1,085 inmates.

Of particular note was the gain of 33,539 inmates in jails, the largest increase since 1997, researcher Allen J. Beck said. That was a 4.7 percent growth rate, compared with a 1.6 percent increase in people held in state and federal prisons.

Prisons accounted for about two-thirds of all inmates, or 1.4 million, while the other third, nearly 750,000, were in local jails, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

Beck, the bureau's chief of corrections statistics, said the increase in the number of people in the 3,365 local jails is due partly to their changing role. Jails often hold inmates for state or federal systems, as well as people who have yet to begin serving a sentence.

"The jail population is increasingly unconvicted," Beck said. "Judges are perhaps more reluctant to release people pretrial."

The report by the Justice Department agency found that 62 percent of people in jails have not been convicted, meaning many of them are awaiting trial.

Overall, 738 people were locked up for every 100,000 residents, compared with a rate of 725 at mid-2004. The states with the highest rates were Louisiana and Georgia, with more than 1 percent of their populations in prison or jail. Rounding out the top five were Texas, Mississippi and Oklahoma.

The states with the lowest rates were Maine, Minnesota, Rhode Island, Vermont and New Hampshire.

Men were 10 times to 11 times more likely than women to be in prison or jail, but the number of women behind bars was growing at a faster rate, said Paige M. Harrison, the report's other author.

The racial makeup of inmates changed little in recent years, Beck said. In the 25-29 age group, an estimated 11.9 percent of black men were in prison or jails, compared with 3.9 percent of Hispanic males and 1.7 percent of white males.

Marc Mauer, executive director of The Sentencing Project, which supports alternatives to prison, said the incarceration rates for blacks were troubling.

"It's not a sign of a healthy community when we've come to use incarceration at such rates," he said.

Mauer also criticized sentencing guidelines, which he said remove judges' discretion, and said arrests for drug and parole violations swell prisons.

"If we want to see the prison population reduced, we need a much more comprehensive approach to sentencing and drug policy," he said.

End story-------------------------------------------AP via Yahoo! News, May 21
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Topic Title: The US prison system is unstoppable.
Topic Summary: 1-in-136 Americans in prison.

The new Republican America:

The rich Republicans

Mexicans to serve said rich Republicans

All others including lowly Democrats in Jail.
 

Rainsford

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I didn't realize so much of the prison population wasn't even convicted...that would seem to indicate a large problem with our legal system and its ability to give people a speedy trial. Personally I think we'd see a HUGE improvement in those numbers if minor drug offenses weren't such a big deal. I remember reading some really interesting stats (that I now can't seem to find) on how much of our prison and court system is tied up with people that were either buying or selling fairly small amounts of pot. It was really quite surprising.
 

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
I didn't realize so much of the prison population wasn't even convicted...that would seem to indicate a large problem with our legal system and its ability to give people a speedy trial. Personally I think we'd see a HUGE improvement in those numbers if minor drug offenses weren't such a big deal. I remember reading some really interesting stats (that I now can't seem to find) on how much of our prison and court system is tied up with people that were either buying or selling fairly small amounts of pot. It was really quite surprising.

You don't happen to still have that do you? I wonder why we have such a huge prison complex in America.
 

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Why does no one question why these people are choosing to break the laws.

The judges will not release for pre-trial because of the nature of the crime and/or the track record of the person.

Blandant disregard for the laws should not be an excuse for abolishing them.
 

LumbergTech

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Why does no one question why these people are choosing to break the laws.

The judges will not release for pre-trial because of the nature of the crime and/or the track record of the person.

Blandant disregard for the laws should not be an excuse for abolishing them.

i dont think that is entirely true....if a law unfairly targets one segment of the population because of biased views on something that has equivalents or worse that are legal than it needs to be reconsidered..

 

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Why does no one question why these people are choosing to break the laws.

The judges will not release for pre-trial because of the nature of the crime and/or the track record of the person.

Blandant disregard for the laws should not be an excuse for abolishing them.
BULLSPIT! Judges are under so much pressure to be tough on crime that bail is set so high in so many cases that many people can't afford it.
It is a political issue and judges are terrrified (if they are elected) in releasing any suspect on bail that might commit a high profile crime and cause them not to be re-elected.
A good start would be the elimination of wacky laws like the one that forbids selling sex toys.

 

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today, criminal aliens account for over 29 percent of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities and a higher share of all federal prison inmates.

So no, 1 in ever 136 American Citizens is not in jail.
 

MadRat

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My little brother on a first offense DUI charge was told he had to show $100,000 to post bond, or be able to pay 10% in cash. Sounded pretty harsh to me, but its part of getting tough on drunk driving. He sat in jail for three days before he finally got to see a judge. The judge eventually let him post $500, probably his life savings at this point in time, and he won't go to trial until November. With mickey mouse rules like these I can see why 60+ percent of the people in jail are awaiting trial.
 

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Originally posted by: MadRat
My little brother on a first offense DUI charge was told he had to show $100,000 to post bond, or be able to pay 10% in cash. Sounded pretty harsh to me, but its part of getting tough on drunk driving. He sat in jail for three days before he finally got to see a judge. The judge eventually let him post $500, probably his life savings at this point in time, and he won't go to trial until November. With mickey mouse rules like these I can see why 60+ percent of the people in jail are awaiting trial.
And with a $500 bond, some people may never show up. Cost of doing business when thumbing there nose at the legal system.

 

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Yeah but with crime at historic lows we won't see any political push to keep more people out of prison any time soon.
 

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I'm so proud--more than 1% in my state? Let's go for 5% by 2010!
 

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: MadRat
My little brother on a first offense DUI charge was told he had to show $100,000 to post bond, or be able to pay 10% in cash. Sounded pretty harsh to me, but its part of getting tough on drunk driving. He sat in jail for three days before he finally got to see a judge. The judge eventually let him post $500, probably his life savings at this point in time, and he won't go to trial until November. With mickey mouse rules like these I can see why 60+ percent of the people in jail are awaiting trial.
And with a $500 bond, some people may never show up. Cost of doing business when thumbing there nose at the legal system.

And is it worth keeping them in jail for 6 months while they're waiting for trial for something as trivial as a DUI? Let them go, if they skip, they get an arrest warrant. Makes getting a job more difficult, and eventually they'll get caught.
 

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Whats really worrisome is when prison unions have so much influence. It just seems wrong that they can spend millions on campaigns to oppose anything that might reduce the prison population and jeopordize their job security. This is evident in California whenever any new proposal comes about that aims more towards rehabilitation than just punishment/long sentences and the prison guards union quickly attacks it. They typically also oppose any drug sentencing reforms where addicts would recieve treatment/parole instead of prison.
 

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The whole war on drugs and prison industry is ****** up.

People are willing to give up thier rights, and more importantly the rights of others, in order to have some "security" but it never works.

This country needs less laws. The laws that we keep however should be enforced and breaking them should be punished more harshly.

Murder, assault, theft, and rape are all real crimes that people should be harshly punished for comitting.

Using and selling drugs, prositution, and owning a non-registered short barrelled shotguns or machine guns are some examples of crimes that should not be crimes.
 

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Originally posted by: hscorpio
Whats really worrisome is when prison unions have so much influence. It just seems wrong that they can spend millions on campaigns to oppose anything that might reduce the prison population and jeopordize their job security. This is evident in California whenever any new proposal comes about that aims more towards rehabilitation than just punishment/long sentences and the prison guards union quickly attacks it. They typically also oppose any drug sentencing reforms where addicts would recieve treatment/parole instead of prison.

Exactly right. The CCPOA (Calif. Correctional Peace Officers Assoc.) is the strongest union in the state. No other union comes close. They can get any politician elected or defeated anytime they want. Their power is unmatched.
 

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Elite rule always will lead to a huge prison(gulag) system. Prisoners don't just sit in a prison cell all day. The way most new high tech prisons are being set up these days is to grab a chunk of the profits that regular industries produce. Not just vehicle licence plates either.

The USA is trending towards a police state with a gulag system. Just like China has. Over in China there are millions of imprisoned Christians producing products sold at Walmart.

Hell, why not just imprison everybody? That is the direction of the current trend here in the USA. The Government ships in the drugs and then turns around and busts everyone for using them. The Prison System is now one of the largest single segments of the USA economy.
 

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Doesn't surprise me. 5 of every 136 americans probably deserves to be in jail.
 

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Originally posted by: OFFascist
Murder, assault, theft, and rape are all real crimes that people should be harshly punished for comitting.

Using and selling drugs, prositution, and owning a non-registered short barrelled shotguns or machine guns are some examples of crimes that should not be crimes.

You do realize that there is a close correlation between then latter and the former, right?
 

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Originally posted by: rezinn
Doesn't surprise me. 5 of every 136 americans probably deserves to be in jail.

You either genuinely misunderstood or you want to obstruct this discussion. Saying more people are lawbreakers and belond locked up in prison is ignoring the fact that for instance as i said, the blackops side of our USA Government ships in most of the cocaine and heroine for a huge profit and then converts that scam into the prison system scam where millions of people serve huge sentences in prison for drug offences. The people had a want for a substance that is banned under a Government Prohibition. Is that a crime worthy of being forced to spend 20-30 years at hard labor in essentially a gulag making widgets for USA Corporations owned by the same people who own the Prisons AND ship the prohibited drugs in?

See the total scam?

War on drugs. War on terror. War on poverty. War on illiteracy. When you see the criminal elite tacking the label "war" on something check it out. It's a scam. Nothing ever improves except the rich keep getting richer and the poor, ...poorer. Or dummer. Something like 80% of high school graduates still can't function on the comparative level that a grade school child in 6th grade could earlier in our Nation's history. Doubt me? I've seen what kids years ago learned in school. It is amazing how much knowledge schools taught our children years ago before they began to be systematically dumbed down.

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Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: OFFascist
Murder, assault, theft, and rape are all real crimes that people should be harshly punished for comitting.

Using and selling drugs, prositution, and owning a non-registered short barrelled shotguns or machine guns are some examples of crimes that should not be crimes.

You do realize that there is a close correlation between then latter and the former, right?

Organized gangs and criminals commit most of the serious crime in the USA. Whenever a "want" like drinking alcohol is put under PROHIBITION by the Government, these "wanted" item's value on the black market shoots higher. PROHIBITIONS do not work. They cause much more harm than good.

Properly regulate not ban drugs, prostitution and other "wants" and watch the murder, theft, rape and all major crimes drop accordingly. Black Markets set up huge profits. Prices for the prohibited wants rise. Those who have that "want" resort to violence and theft to aquire the large amount of extra money needed to satisfy their desires.

It's not liberalism that i'm advocating. It's common sense to reduce the horrific levels of violence and curruption and the cost burden on society to enforce PROHIBITIONS and encarcerate people for commiting acts in persuit of desires that are better managed as personal choices not crimes against prohibition.
 

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It's not a question of who breaks a law, it's a question of who gets caught. A person who is well off is not going to have much attention given him by the police, however someone who lives in a bad part of town will have all the police attention he can handle and then some. Especially when it comes to pot, I've smoked it with local politicians, and local thugs. Criminals come in all shades, it's just a matter of who the police are watching.
 

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
It's not a question of who breaks a law, it's a question of who gets caught. A person who is well off is not going to have much attention given him by the police, however someone who lives in a bad part of town will have all the police attention he can handle and then some. Especially when it comes to pot, I've smoked it with local politicians, and local thugs. Criminals come in all shades, it's just a matter of who the police are watching.

So you like to have a joint now and then. Are you a criminal who deserves to spend your lifetime in prison after 3 offences for being caught with some weed on you? What if it were a bottle of Jack Daniels during the USA's 1930's PROHIBITION that you were arrested for three times?

Alcohol causes as many if not far more health problems and community safety issues(driving a vehicle under the influence) as marihuana.

Making prisoners of people who desire to put into their own bodies something that they want to do for all the same reasons as people who consume alcohol to get drunk is not a rational or practical way to deal with humane addiction problems.

We have far more critical public safety and National Security threats to deal with to consume the time of our police. Such as the Organized Crime Syndicates that do most of the major crimes today.
 

judasmachine

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I have not smoked pot in about 6 or 7 years, and no I was not a criminal. I almost exclusively did it at home, or the home of a friend, and was always too stoned to drive. I was not robbing my friends and family, I was not out looking for rape victims, or any of that. Was I breaking a law? Yes I was, but I don't think any of us are 100% legal, 100% of the time. If you are, you really need a life.

BTW I may not smoke it anymore, but I'm all for legalizing it. You're right, it's way less destructive than alcohol.
 

MadRat

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Stoned drivers tend to drive about 20 under the speed limit thinking they are doing 80.
Drunk drivers tend to drive about the speed limit thinking they are driving a straight line.
Agitated drivers tend to drive about 20 over the speed limit and in a weaving pattern through traffic and tend to think they are going nowhere.

Who is the biggest threat? All of them. But nobody really think its a high crime for any of them until they hit someone else. Taking them off the street immediately is important. Making them post $100,000 bond is insane and only designed to keep them in jail. There is an amendment against bonds that are set too high. It shouldn't take a judge to get bond set low enough for a person to afford it.