The US Army should abandon their POS Apache AH64 and get some Russian Helos..

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Umm... The Apache Longbow can hide behind cover and can lock on and fire at several targets at once with it's radar. I doubt that your little Russian toy can do that yet.

Come on, you gotta give them more credit than that.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/ka-50.htm

External stores are mounted on underwing external hardpoints. Each wing has two hardpoints for a total of four stations. A typical mix for targeting armor formations is 12x AT-16 ATGMs, 500x 30-mm cannon rounds, and 2x 20-round pods of 80-mm folding fin unguided rockets. The 30-mm cannon is the same as on the BMP-2. It also carries guided air-to-air missiles IGLA-V (Needle C), already extensively tested and sold to buyers abroad. The Shark's avionics is largely in line with what is the norm for one-seater fighters and ground attack jets. It's most remarkable feature is a remote targeting system with a capability to provide for a sudden deadly attack from a distance that rules out direct visual contact with the target. The firing computer will turn the aircraft to keep the gun on target. It is equipped with downlink to provide information from the battlefield. The targeting and control system and weaponry enable accurate target engagement at ranges of up to 10km.

 

[Tom]

I don't see anything in that post about the rotors getting blasted off ?

which way do the rotors go, straight up, or does each blade blast away sideways ?

and what happens to a helicopter when the rotors blast away ?

 

[destrekor]

yea the military needs increased weapons funding. we don't need to buy foreign crap.
the commanche, OCIW, armor for HMMWVs, and what else? military is getting the shaft as far as funding goes. don't let the media fool you.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Tom
I don't see anything in that post about the rotors getting blasted off ?

which way do the rotors go, straight up, or does each blade blast away sideways ?

and what happens to a helicopter when the rotors blast away ?

it falls.

what do you think it does?

 

[computeerrgghh]

Originally posted by: Zolty

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: amish
you do realize that the AH 64 is the most survivable of all military helocopters, right?

A iraq kid can bring the helo down by throwing a rock at the tail rotor?

You of course have a source for this and are not just pulling it from the depths of your ass, right?

I think I saw something like that in one of the Rambo movies. Thats a valid source, right?

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom
have to be a brave mofo to eject..

The rotors will be blown off by explosives first before the pilot ejects

really ? which way, sideways ?

"The Ka-50 is the world's first operational helicopter with a rescue ejection system, which allows pilot to escape at all altitudes and speeds. The K-37-800 Rocket Assisted Ejection System is manufactured by the Zvezda Research and Production Enterprise Joint Stock Company in the Moscow Region. The seat operates by pulling the pilot from the helicopter cabin using a solid-propellant rocket motor. The system comprises the seat, a control unit and a pullout rocket motor. The seat is fitted with a survival pack containing an NAZ-7M survival kit, a life raft and a PS-37A parachute system. The seat provides safe forced emergency escape from helicopters in the speed range 0 to 350 km/hour and at altitude 0 to 6,000 metres. The seat also provides safe ejection during inverted flight (at speeds 0 to 330 km/h with zero vertical velocity) at a minimum altitude of 90 metres. Pilot is ejected in max. six second."

http://www.military.cz/russia/air/helicopters/Ka_50/ka50_en.htm

no thanks keep your ex soviet junk..

AH-64 is by far a superior aircraft in aerobatics suvivablity and avionics and wep systems..

the only weakness to the OLDER Apaches was indeed sand killing turbines.

How about you come up with some numbers first before bashing all Russian Weapons are junk?

every single wep system the Soviets had they stole from us during the walker spy case and before..

you didnt post 1 number nor have you served in either the US or Soviet armed forces.. I have been inside and seen what Apaches can do close up in the 10 years with the Armed Forces.. (join US Navy/Army ops) have you ever worked on a Werewolf? no one in the US has.. infact the POS isnt even combat proven yet.

look at the avionics package for the Werewolf.. ALL analog.. no advanced avionics at all..
look at the Longbow Apache.. able to track up to 6 targets at 1 time from behind cover and destroy them all without even being seen..

there werewolf is incapable of this.. it is a knuckledragger fighter in your face.. and Soviet missles have always been notorious for having issues. and its cannon is fixed along side the aircrafts body.. the Apaches 30mm is on a turret thats guided by the gunners helmet what he sees dies...

 

[Qianglong]

Originally posted by: Tom
I don't see anything in that post about the rotors getting blasted off ?

which way do the rotors go, straight up, or does each blade blast away sideways ?

and what happens to a helicopter when the rotors blast away ?

Got more info on the ejection system from wikipedia:

"The Ka-50 was the first helicopter fitted with an ejector seat for improved pilot survivability; this was also seen as a psychological factor enhancing the pilot's combat courage. Before the rocket in the K-37-800 ejection seat kicks in, rotor blades are blown away by explosive charges in the rotor disc and the canopy is similarly jettisone"

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Tom
I don't see anything in that post about the rotors getting blasted off ?

which way do the rotors go, straight up, or does each blade blast away sideways ?

and what happens to a helicopter when the rotors blast away ?

it falls.

what do you think it does?

I don't know, that's why I asked.

does it fall straight down ?
does it fall nose first, tail first, or does it maintain horizontal attitude ?
does it roll over ?
if the rotor blasts off in an upward direction, wouldn't that make the helicopter blast down, not just fall ?

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom
have to be a brave mofo to eject..

The rotors will be blown off by explosives first before the pilot ejects

really ? which way, sideways ?

"The Ka-50 is the world's first operational helicopter with a rescue ejection system, which allows pilot to escape at all altitudes and speeds. The K-37-800 Rocket Assisted Ejection System is manufactured by the Zvezda Research and Production Enterprise Joint Stock Company in the Moscow Region. The seat operates by pulling the pilot from the helicopter cabin using a solid-propellant rocket motor. The system comprises the seat, a control unit and a pullout rocket motor. The seat is fitted with a survival pack containing an NAZ-7M survival kit, a life raft and a PS-37A parachute system. The seat provides safe forced emergency escape from helicopters in the speed range 0 to 350 km/hour and at altitude 0 to 6,000 metres. The seat also provides safe ejection during inverted flight (at speeds 0 to 330 km/h with zero vertical velocity) at a minimum altitude of 90 metres. Pilot is ejected in max. six second."

http://www.military.cz/russia/air/helicopters/Ka_50/ka50_en.htm

no thanks keep your ex soviet junk..

AH-64 is by far a superior aircraft in aerobatics suvivablity and avionics and wep systems..

the only weakness to the OLDER Apaches was indeed sand killing turbines.

How about you come up with some numbers first before bashing all Russian Weapons are junk?

Did you just ask for number when you just made this moronic statement?

Plus it can be shot down by a farmer's pellet gun or if some kid throw a rock at the Tail Rotor...

 

[amish]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom
have to be a brave mofo to eject..

The rotors will be blown off by explosives first before the pilot ejects

really ? which way, sideways ?

"The Ka-50 is the world's first operational helicopter with a rescue ejection system, which allows pilot to escape at all altitudes and speeds. The K-37-800 Rocket Assisted Ejection System is manufactured by the Zvezda Research and Production Enterprise Joint Stock Company in the Moscow Region. The seat operates by pulling the pilot from the helicopter cabin using a solid-propellant rocket motor. The system comprises the seat, a control unit and a pullout rocket motor. The seat is fitted with a survival pack containing an NAZ-7M survival kit, a life raft and a PS-37A parachute system. The seat provides safe forced emergency escape from helicopters in the speed range 0 to 350 km/hour and at altitude 0 to 6,000 metres. The seat also provides safe ejection during inverted flight (at speeds 0 to 330 km/h with zero vertical velocity) at a minimum altitude of 90 metres. Pilot is ejected in max. six second."

http://www.military.cz/russia/air/helicopters/Ka_50/ka50_en.htm

no thanks keep your ex soviet junk..

AH-64 is by far a superior aircraft in aerobatics suvivablity and avionics and wep systems..

the only weakness to the OLDER Apaches was indeed sand killing turbines.

How about you come up with some numbers first before bashing all Russian Weapons are junk?

every single wep system the Soviets had they stole from us during the walker spy case and before..

you didnt post 1 number nor have you served in either the US or Soviet armed forces.. I have been inside and seen what Apaches can do close up in the 10 years with the Armed Forces.. (join US Navy/Army ops) have you ever worked on a Werewolf? no one in the US has.. infact the POS isnt even combat proven yet.

look at the avionics package for the Werewolf.. ALL analog.. no advanced avionics at all..
look at the Longbow Apache.. able to track up to 6 targets at 1 time from behind cover and destroy them all without even being seen..

there werewolf is incapable of this.. it is a knuckledragger fighter in your face.. and Soviet missles have always been notorious for having issues. and its cannon is fixed along side the aircrafts body.. the Apaches 30mm is on a turret thats guided by the gunners helmet what he sees dies...

to further back up your case, "In common with many other Soviet aircraft of the era, it is believed to have superior flight characteristics but inferior avionics to its Western counterparts -- the AH-64 Apache and Eurocopter Tiger in particular."

 

[ForumMaster]

while Israel did lose 3 in the summer war, the IAF has used them for years to kill hezbollah terrorists. these helicopters don't suck at all.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom
I don't see anything in that post about the rotors getting blasted off ?

which way do the rotors go, straight up, or does each blade blast away sideways ?

and what happens to a helicopter when the rotors blast away ?

Got more info on the ejection system from wikipedia:

"The Ka-50 was the first helicopter fitted with an ejector seat for improved pilot survivability; this was also seen as a psychological factor enhancing the pilot's combat courage. Before the rocket in the K-37-800 ejection seat kicks in, rotor blades are blown away by explosive charges in the rotor disc and the canopy is similarly jettisone"

thanks, based on that description it sounds like the blades seperate from the rotor, probably just need to sever the bolts that hold them to the rotor and their own momentum throws them out.

but that means there's 8 rotor blades going somewhere, sounds pretty hairy..

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom
have to be a brave mofo to eject..

The rotors will be blown off by explosives first before the pilot ejects

really ? which way, sideways ?

"The Ka-50 is the world's first operational helicopter with a rescue ejection system, which allows pilot to escape at all altitudes and speeds. The K-37-800 Rocket Assisted Ejection System is manufactured by the Zvezda Research and Production Enterprise Joint Stock Company in the Moscow Region. The seat operates by pulling the pilot from the helicopter cabin using a solid-propellant rocket motor. The system comprises the seat, a control unit and a pullout rocket motor. The seat is fitted with a survival pack containing an NAZ-7M survival kit, a life raft and a PS-37A parachute system. The seat provides safe forced emergency escape from helicopters in the speed range 0 to 350 km/hour and at altitude 0 to 6,000 metres. The seat also provides safe ejection during inverted flight (at speeds 0 to 330 km/h with zero vertical velocity) at a minimum altitude of 90 metres. Pilot is ejected in max. six second."

http://www.military.cz/russia/air/helicopters/Ka_50/ka50_en.htm

no thanks keep your ex soviet junk..

AH-64 is by far a superior aircraft in aerobatics suvivablity and avionics and wep systems..

the only weakness to the OLDER Apaches was indeed sand killing turbines.

How about you come up with some numbers first before bashing all Russian Weapons are junk?

every single wep system the Soviets had they stole from us during the walker spy case and before..

you didnt post 1 number nor have you served in either the US or Soviet armed forces.. I have been inside and seen what Apaches can do close up in the 10 years with the Armed Forces.. (join US Navy/Army ops) have you ever worked on a Werewolf? no one in the US has.. infact the POS isnt even combat proven yet.

look at the avionics package for the Werewolf.. ALL analog.. no advanced avionics at all..
look at the Longbow Apache.. able to track up to 6 targets at 1 time from behind cover and destroy them all without even being seen..

there werewolf is incapable of this.. it is a knuckledragger fighter in your face.. and Soviet missles have always been notorious for having issues. and its cannon is fixed along side the aircrafts body.. the Apaches 30mm is on a turret thats guided by the gunners helmet what he sees dies...

The KA-50 has it too. Plus you can get it equipped with third party avionics if that's your preference.

# The HOKUM uses a low-light level TV or thermal sighting, a laser range-finder (10 km), FLIR, air data sensor, and digital data-link which interface with a fire control com-puter, an autopilot, a helmet sighting system and HUD for target location, acquisition, designation, and firing. Night/Weather Capabilities:
# This aircraft?s avionics package ensuring a full day/night, all weather capability. If it is to be employed at night in an attack role, it must be fitted with a night targeting pod. This pod includes a FLIR, a millimeter wave radar, and an electro-optical sight takes up one of the underwing pylons. The Ka-50N, and Ka-52 are capable of performing attack missions in day/night, and all-weather conditions.
# The French companies Thomson-CSF, and Sextant Avionique offer nav/attack systems, which can be fitted to export variants.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: amish

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom
have to be a brave mofo to eject..

The rotors will be blown off by explosives first before the pilot ejects

really ? which way, sideways ?

"The Ka-50 is the world's first operational helicopter with a rescue ejection system, which allows pilot to escape at all altitudes and speeds. The K-37-800 Rocket Assisted Ejection System is manufactured by the Zvezda Research and Production Enterprise Joint Stock Company in the Moscow Region. The seat operates by pulling the pilot from the helicopter cabin using a solid-propellant rocket motor. The system comprises the seat, a control unit and a pullout rocket motor. The seat is fitted with a survival pack containing an NAZ-7M survival kit, a life raft and a PS-37A parachute system. The seat provides safe forced emergency escape from helicopters in the speed range 0 to 350 km/hour and at altitude 0 to 6,000 metres. The seat also provides safe ejection during inverted flight (at speeds 0 to 330 km/h with zero vertical velocity) at a minimum altitude of 90 metres. Pilot is ejected in max. six second."

http://www.military.cz/russia/air/helicopters/Ka_50/ka50_en.htm

no thanks keep your ex soviet junk..

AH-64 is by far a superior aircraft in aerobatics suvivablity and avionics and wep systems..

the only weakness to the OLDER Apaches was indeed sand killing turbines.

How about you come up with some numbers first before bashing all Russian Weapons are junk?

every single wep system the Soviets had they stole from us during the walker spy case and before..

you didnt post 1 number nor have you served in either the US or Soviet armed forces.. I have been inside and seen what Apaches can do close up in the 10 years with the Armed Forces.. (join US Navy/Army ops) have you ever worked on a Werewolf? no one in the US has.. infact the POS isnt even combat proven yet.

look at the avionics package for the Werewolf.. ALL analog.. no advanced avionics at all..
look at the Longbow Apache.. able to track up to 6 targets at 1 time from behind cover and destroy them all without even being seen..

there werewolf is incapable of this.. it is a knuckledragger fighter in your face.. and Soviet missles have always been notorious for having issues. and its cannon is fixed along side the aircrafts body.. the Apaches 30mm is on a turret thats guided by the gunners helmet what he sees dies...

to further back up your case, "In common with many other Soviet aircraft of the era, it is believed to have superior flight characteristics but inferior avionics to its Western counterparts -- the AH-64 Apache and Eurocopter Tiger in particular."

Well, you can always just put Israeli/American avionics on it and get the best of both worlds. Avionics are a lot easier to improve than flight characteristics.

 

[ryan256]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Well, you can always just put Israeli/American avionics on it and get the best of both worlds. Avionics are a lot easier to improve than flight characteristics.

Not when they're classified systems.

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: ryan256

Originally posted by: senseamp
Well, you can always just put Israeli/American avionics on it and get the best of both worlds. Avionics are a lot easier to improve than flight characteristics.

Not when they're classified systems.

Not to mention that it would probably take some serious modifications to those Russian rotor blades to add a big radar system on top of them like the Apache Longbow has.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom
have to be a brave mofo to eject..

The rotors will be blown off by explosives first before the pilot ejects

really ? which way, sideways ?

"The Ka-50 is the world's first operational helicopter with a rescue ejection system, which allows pilot to escape at all altitudes and speeds. The K-37-800 Rocket Assisted Ejection System is manufactured by the Zvezda Research and Production Enterprise Joint Stock Company in the Moscow Region. The seat operates by pulling the pilot from the helicopter cabin using a solid-propellant rocket motor. The system comprises the seat, a control unit and a pullout rocket motor. The seat is fitted with a survival pack containing an NAZ-7M survival kit, a life raft and a PS-37A parachute system. The seat provides safe forced emergency escape from helicopters in the speed range 0 to 350 km/hour and at altitude 0 to 6,000 metres. The seat also provides safe ejection during inverted flight (at speeds 0 to 330 km/h with zero vertical velocity) at a minimum altitude of 90 metres. Pilot is ejected in max. six second."

http://www.military.cz/russia/air/helicopters/Ka_50/ka50_en.htm

no thanks keep your ex soviet junk..

AH-64 is by far a superior aircraft in aerobatics suvivablity and avionics and wep systems..

the only weakness to the OLDER Apaches was indeed sand killing turbines.

How about you come up with some numbers first before bashing all Russian Weapons are junk?

every single wep system the Soviets had they stole from us during the walker spy case and before..

you didnt post 1 number nor have you served in either the US or Soviet armed forces.. I have been inside and seen what Apaches can do close up in the 10 years with the Armed Forces.. (join US Navy/Army ops) have you ever worked on a Werewolf? no one in the US has.. infact the POS isnt even combat proven yet.

look at the avionics package for the Werewolf.. ALL analog.. no advanced avionics at all..
look at the Longbow Apache.. able to track up to 6 targets at 1 time from behind cover and destroy them all without even being seen..

there werewolf is incapable of this.. it is a knuckledragger fighter in your face.. and Soviet missles have always been notorious for having issues. and its cannon is fixed along side the aircrafts body.. the Apaches 30mm is on a turret thats guided by the gunners helmet what he sees dies...

The KA-50 has it too. Plus you can get it equipped with third party avionics if that's your preference.

# The HOKUM uses a low-light level TV or thermal sighting, a laser range-finder (10 km), FLIR, air data sensor, and digital data-link which interface with a fire control com-puter, an autopilot, a helmet sighting system and HUD for target location, acquisition, designation, and firing. Night/Weather Capabilities:
# This aircraft?s avionics package ensuring a full day/night, all weather capability. If it is to be employed at night in an attack role, it must be fitted with a night targeting pod. This pod includes a FLIR, a millimeter wave radar, and an electro-optical sight takes up one of the underwing pylons. The Ka-50N, and Ka-52 are capable of performing attack missions in day/night, and all-weather conditions.
# The French companies Thomson-CSF, and Sextant Avionique offer nav/attack systems, which can be fitted to export variants.

Would really like to see the advantage a helmet mounted site would do for a Cannon thats HARD mounted along side the aircrafts body..

and read that again.. for your own benefit... in order for this aircraft to have half the capabilities our aircraft does STOCK.. they have to give up an entire wep station to mount the package..

btw French Avionics arnt exactly known for thier being state of the art either...

 

[BooGiMaN]

the OP is trying to get a nomination in the ownage of the year thread...

 

[ultimatebob]

Besides, what do the French know about Military technology? I bet that all of their military vehicles have multiple reverse gears to allow for a quicker retreat

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Besides, what do the French know about Military technology? I bet that all of their military vehicles have multiple reverse gears to allow for a quicker retreat

ahhahahahahaaha =) yup not to mention thier cannon is actually a pop gun with one of those flags thats pops out.. but theirs is a white flag...

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom
have to be a brave mofo to eject..

The rotors will be blown off by explosives first before the pilot ejects

really ? which way, sideways ?

"The Ka-50 is the world's first operational helicopter with a rescue ejection system, which allows pilot to escape at all altitudes and speeds. The K-37-800 Rocket Assisted Ejection System is manufactured by the Zvezda Research and Production Enterprise Joint Stock Company in the Moscow Region. The seat operates by pulling the pilot from the helicopter cabin using a solid-propellant rocket motor. The system comprises the seat, a control unit and a pullout rocket motor. The seat is fitted with a survival pack containing an NAZ-7M survival kit, a life raft and a PS-37A parachute system. The seat provides safe forced emergency escape from helicopters in the speed range 0 to 350 km/hour and at altitude 0 to 6,000 metres. The seat also provides safe ejection during inverted flight (at speeds 0 to 330 km/h with zero vertical velocity) at a minimum altitude of 90 metres. Pilot is ejected in max. six second."

http://www.military.cz/russia/air/helicopters/Ka_50/ka50_en.htm

no thanks keep your ex soviet junk..

AH-64 is by far a superior aircraft in aerobatics suvivablity and avionics and wep systems..

the only weakness to the OLDER Apaches was indeed sand killing turbines.

How about you come up with some numbers first before bashing all Russian Weapons are junk?

every single wep system the Soviets had they stole from us during the walker spy case and before..

you didnt post 1 number nor have you served in either the US or Soviet armed forces.. I have been inside and seen what Apaches can do close up in the 10 years with the Armed Forces.. (join US Navy/Army ops) have you ever worked on a Werewolf? no one in the US has.. infact the POS isnt even combat proven yet.

look at the avionics package for the Werewolf.. ALL analog.. no advanced avionics at all..
look at the Longbow Apache.. able to track up to 6 targets at 1 time from behind cover and destroy them all without even being seen..

there werewolf is incapable of this.. it is a knuckledragger fighter in your face.. and Soviet missles have always been notorious for having issues. and its cannon is fixed along side the aircrafts body.. the Apaches 30mm is on a turret thats guided by the gunners helmet what he sees dies...

The KA-50 has it too. Plus you can get it equipped with third party avionics if that's your preference.

# The HOKUM uses a low-light level TV or thermal sighting, a laser range-finder (10 km), FLIR, air data sensor, and digital data-link which interface with a fire control com-puter, an autopilot, a helmet sighting system and HUD for target location, acquisition, designation, and firing. Night/Weather Capabilities:
# This aircraft?s avionics package ensuring a full day/night, all weather capability. If it is to be employed at night in an attack role, it must be fitted with a night targeting pod. This pod includes a FLIR, a millimeter wave radar, and an electro-optical sight takes up one of the underwing pylons. The Ka-50N, and Ka-52 are capable of performing attack missions in day/night, and all-weather conditions.
# The French companies Thomson-CSF, and Sextant Avionique offer nav/attack systems, which can be fitted to export variants.

Would really like to see the advantage a helmet mounted site would do for a Cannon thats HARD mounted along side the aircrafts body..

and read that again.. for your own benefit... in order for this aircraft to have half the capabilities our aircraft does STOCK.. they have to give up an entire wep station to mount the package..

btw French Avionics arnt exactly known for thier being state of the art either...

I think these are the same people that say the F-15 rules the world and no Su-35 can touch it. It's time to realize that we have a lot of outdated weaponary out there, but the reason the US Armed Forces continue to kick ass is because we have something a lot of other militaries lack: EXTENSIVE TRAINING. So with aircraft, I love how people always pull out the F-22 because that seems to be the only safe plane to fall back upon when people point out that F-16s suck.

But with helicopters? It's time to realize that while AH-64s are survivable and they have had a lot of modifications, they are still outdated and there's a lot of stuff out there that's better.

It's like saying your Athlon 64 3500+ kicks ass. Sure it does, but there's better stuff now

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom
have to be a brave mofo to eject..

The rotors will be blown off by explosives first before the pilot ejects

really ? which way, sideways ?

"The Ka-50 is the world's first operational helicopter with a rescue ejection system, which allows pilot to escape at all altitudes and speeds. The K-37-800 Rocket Assisted Ejection System is manufactured by the Zvezda Research and Production Enterprise Joint Stock Company in the Moscow Region. The seat operates by pulling the pilot from the helicopter cabin using a solid-propellant rocket motor. The system comprises the seat, a control unit and a pullout rocket motor. The seat is fitted with a survival pack containing an NAZ-7M survival kit, a life raft and a PS-37A parachute system. The seat provides safe forced emergency escape from helicopters in the speed range 0 to 350 km/hour and at altitude 0 to 6,000 metres. The seat also provides safe ejection during inverted flight (at speeds 0 to 330 km/h with zero vertical velocity) at a minimum altitude of 90 metres. Pilot is ejected in max. six second."

http://www.military.cz/russia/air/helicopters/Ka_50/ka50_en.htm

no thanks keep your ex soviet junk..

AH-64 is by far a superior aircraft in aerobatics suvivablity and avionics and wep systems..

the only weakness to the OLDER Apaches was indeed sand killing turbines.

How about you come up with some numbers first before bashing all Russian Weapons are junk?

every single wep system the Soviets had they stole from us during the walker spy case and before..

you didnt post 1 number nor have you served in either the US or Soviet armed forces.. I have been inside and seen what Apaches can do close up in the 10 years with the Armed Forces.. (join US Navy/Army ops) have you ever worked on a Werewolf? no one in the US has.. infact the POS isnt even combat proven yet.

look at the avionics package for the Werewolf.. ALL analog.. no advanced avionics at all..
look at the Longbow Apache.. able to track up to 6 targets at 1 time from behind cover and destroy them all without even being seen..

there werewolf is incapable of this.. it is a knuckledragger fighter in your face.. and Soviet missles have always been notorious for having issues. and its cannon is fixed along side the aircrafts body.. the Apaches 30mm is on a turret thats guided by the gunners helmet what he sees dies...

The KA-50 has it too. Plus you can get it equipped with third party avionics if that's your preference.

# The HOKUM uses a low-light level TV or thermal sighting, a laser range-finder (10 km), FLIR, air data sensor, and digital data-link which interface with a fire control com-puter, an autopilot, a helmet sighting system and HUD for target location, acquisition, designation, and firing. Night/Weather Capabilities:
# This aircraft?s avionics package ensuring a full day/night, all weather capability. If it is to be employed at night in an attack role, it must be fitted with a night targeting pod. This pod includes a FLIR, a millimeter wave radar, and an electro-optical sight takes up one of the underwing pylons. The Ka-50N, and Ka-52 are capable of performing attack missions in day/night, and all-weather conditions.
# The French companies Thomson-CSF, and Sextant Avionique offer nav/attack systems, which can be fitted to export variants.

Would really like to see the advantage a helmet mounted site would do for a Cannon thats HARD mounted along side the aircrafts body..

and read that again.. for your own benefit... in order for this aircraft to have half the capabilities our aircraft does STOCK.. they have to give up an entire wep station to mount the package..

btw French Avionics arnt exactly known for thier being state of the art either...

I think these are the same people that say the F-15 rules the world and no Su-35 can touch it. It's time to realize that we have a lot of outdated weaponary out there, but the reason the US Armed Forces continue to kick ass is because we have something a lot of other militaries lack: EXTENSIVE TRAINING. So with aircraft, I love how people always pull out the F-22 because that seems to be the only safe plane to fall back upon when people point out that F-16s suck.

But with helicopters? It's time to realize that while AH-64s are survivable and they have had a lot of modifications, they are still outdated and there's a lot of stuff out there that's better.

It's like saying your Athlon 64 3500+ kicks ass. Sure it does, but there's better stuff now

and again.. where did they get that tech for the SU-27-35.. it was STOLEN through espionage that people are serving life sentences for...

the 27-35 is a great aircraft.. but EVERY time we go to wargames with them we have come out on top...
and Im not an F-15/16 fan either.. our Hornet Cs whooped up on the old Air Farce every time we went to Red Flag.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: mundane
Too bad they axed the Commanche. We were doing some workload analysis for each Commanche controlling/coordinating a number of UAVs. The potential for that combination as a scouting platform was impressive.

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn. we blew $8 billion on that :Q:Q. i'm sure there's at least some cool tech we got out of that.. but no actual helicopters >-<

 

[amish]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
I think these are the same people that say the F-15 rules the world and no Su-35 can touch it. It's time to realize that we have a lot of outdated weaponary out there, but the reason the US Armed Forces continue to kick ass is because we have something a lot of other militaries lack: EXTENSIVE TRAINING. So with aircraft, I love how people always pull out the F-22 because that seems to be the only safe plane to fall back upon when people point out that F-16s suck.

But with helicopters? It's time to realize that while AH-64s are survivable and they have had a lot of modifications, they are still outdated and there's a lot of stuff out there that's better.

It's like saying your Athlon 64 3500+ kicks ass. Sure it does, but there's better stuff now

you are comparing apples to oranges. the morris law (it think that is what it is called) does not apply outside of the computer realm. one of the most celbrated and most widely used weapons is the M-2 browning 50 cal. it was designed back in WWI. if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

a 20 year old helicopter is not that old in army standards. we've got rifles that are 40 years old. our tank design is 25 years old. the list could go on.

 

[ryan256]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn. we blew $8 billion on that :Q:Q. i'm sure there's at least some cool tech we got out of that.. but no actual helicopters >-<

Um... well we did get 1 cool thing that I know of. I did a contract once at the US Army facility in Ft. Rucker that designed the Commanche helmet. A blow to the head that would have fractured the skull of a Vietnam era Cobra pilot through his helmet; a Commanche pilot could not only survive but retain consciousness through.