The US Army should abandon their POS Apache AH64 and get some Russian Helos..

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Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom
have to be a brave mofo to eject..

The rotors will be blown off by explosives first before the pilot ejects

really ? which way, sideways ?

"The Ka-50 is the world's first operational helicopter with a rescue ejection system, which allows pilot to escape at all altitudes and speeds. The K-37-800 Rocket Assisted Ejection System is manufactured by the Zvezda Research and Production Enterprise Joint Stock Company in the Moscow Region. The seat operates by pulling the pilot from the helicopter cabin using a solid-propellant rocket motor. The system comprises the seat, a control unit and a pullout rocket motor. The seat is fitted with a survival pack containing an NAZ-7M survival kit, a life raft and a PS-37A parachute system. The seat provides safe forced emergency escape from helicopters in the speed range 0 to 350 km/hour and at altitude 0 to 6,000 metres. The seat also provides safe ejection during inverted flight (at speeds 0 to 330 km/h with zero vertical velocity) at a minimum altitude of 90 metres. Pilot is ejected in max. six second."

http://www.military.cz/russia/air/helicopters/Ka_50/ka50_en.htm

no thanks keep your ex soviet junk..

AH-64 is by far a superior aircraft in aerobatics suvivablity and avionics and wep systems..

the only weakness to the OLDER Apaches was indeed sand killing turbines.

How about you come up with some numbers first before bashing all Russian Weapons are junk?

every single wep system the Soviets had they stole from us during the walker spy case and before..

you didnt post 1 number nor have you served in either the US or Soviet armed forces.. I have been inside and seen what Apaches can do close up in the 10 years with the Armed Forces.. (join US Navy/Army ops) have you ever worked on a Werewolf? no one in the US has.. infact the POS isnt even combat proven yet.

look at the avionics package for the Werewolf.. ALL analog.. no advanced avionics at all..
look at the Longbow Apache.. able to track up to 6 targets at 1 time from behind cover and destroy them all without even being seen..

there werewolf is incapable of this.. it is a knuckledragger fighter in your face.. and Soviet missles have always been notorious for having issues. and its cannon is fixed along side the aircrafts body.. the Apaches 30mm is on a turret thats guided by the gunners helmet what he sees dies...

The KA-50 has it too. Plus you can get it equipped with third party avionics if that's your preference.

# The HOKUM uses a low-light level TV or thermal sighting, a laser range-finder (10 km), FLIR, air data sensor, and digital data-link which interface with a fire control com-puter, an autopilot, a helmet sighting system and HUD for target location, acquisition, designation, and firing. Night/Weather Capabilities:
# This aircraft?s avionics package ensuring a full day/night, all weather capability. If it is to be employed at night in an attack role, it must be fitted with a night targeting pod. This pod includes a FLIR, a millimeter wave radar, and an electro-optical sight takes up one of the underwing pylons. The Ka-50N, and Ka-52 are capable of performing attack missions in day/night, and all-weather conditions.
# The French companies Thomson-CSF, and Sextant Avionique offer nav/attack systems, which can be fitted to export variants.

Would really like to see the advantage a helmet mounted site would do for a Cannon thats HARD mounted along side the aircrafts body..

and read that again.. for your own benefit... in order for this aircraft to have half the capabilities our aircraft does STOCK.. they have to give up an entire wep station to mount the package..

btw French Avionics arnt exactly known for thier being state of the art either...

The cannon is not hard mounted. It doesn't have 360 degree range of motion, but it does aim.

The semi-rigid mounting improves the cannon's accuracy, giving the 30mm a longer practical range and better hit ratio at medium ranges than with a free-turning turret mount.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom
have to be a brave mofo to eject..

Committees
The rotors will be blown off by explosives first before the pilot ejects

really ? which way, sideways ?

"The Ka-50 is the world's first operational helicopter with a rescue ejection system, which allows pilot to escape at all altitudes and speeds. The K-37-800 Rocket Assisted Ejection System is manufactured by the Zvezda Research and Production Enterprise Joint Stock Company in the Moscow Region. The seat operates by pulling the pilot from the helicopter cabin using a solid-propellant rocket motor. The system comprises the seat, a control unit and a pullout rocket motor. The seat is fitted with a survival pack containing an NAZ-7M survival kit, a life raft and a PS-37A parachute system. The seat provides safe forced emergency escape from helicopters in the speed range 0 to 350 km/hour and at altitude 0 to 6,000 metres. The seat also provides safe ejection during inverted flight (at speeds 0 to 330 km/h with zero vertical velocity) at a minimum altitude of 90 metres. Pilot is ejected in max. six second."

http://www.military.cz/russia/air/helicopters/Ka_50/ka50_en.htm

no thanks keep your ex soviet junk..

AH-64 is by far a superior aircraft in aerobatics suvivablity and avionics and wep systems..

the only weakness to the OLDER Apaches was indeed sand killing turbines.

How about you come up with some numbers first before bashing all Russian Weapons are junk?

every single wep system the Soviets had they stole from us during the walker spy case and before..

you didnt post 1 number nor have you served in either the US or Soviet armed forces.. I have been inside and seen what Apaches can do close up in the 10 years with the Armed Forces.. (join US Navy/Army ops) have you ever worked on a Werewolf? no one in the US has.. infact the POS isnt even combat proven yet.

look at the avionics package for the Werewolf.. ALL analog.. no advanced avionics at all..
look at the Longbow Apache.. able to track up to 6 targets at 1 time from behind cover and destroy them all without even being seen..

there werewolf is incapable of this.. it is a knuckledragger fighter in your face.. and Soviet missles have always been notorious for having issues. and its cannon is fixed along side the aircrafts body.. the Apaches 30mm is on a turret thats guided by the gunners helmet what he sees dies...

The KA-50 has it too. Plus you can get it equipped with third party avionics if that's your preference.

# The HOKUM uses a low-light level TV or thermal sighting, a laser range-finder (10 km), FLIR, air data sensor, and digital data-link which interface with a fire control com-puter, an autopilot, a helmet sighting system and HUD for target location, acquisition, designation, and firing. Night/Weather Capabilities:
# This aircraft?s avionics package ensuring a full day/night, all weather capability. If it is to be employed at night in an attack role, it must be fitted with a night targeting pod. This pod includes a FLIR, a millimeter wave radar, and an electro-optical sight takes up one of the underwing pylons. The Ka-50N, and Ka-52 are capable of performing attack missions in day/night, and all-weather conditions.
# The French companies Thomson-CSF, and Sextant Avionique offer nav/attack systems, which can be fitted to export variants.

Would really like to see the advantage a helmet mounted site would do for a Cannon thats HARD mounted along side the aircrafts body..

and read that again.. for your own benefit... in order for this aircraft to have half the capabilities our aircraft does STOCK.. they have to give up an entire wep station to mount the package..

btw French Avionics arnt exactly known for thier being state of the art either...

I think these are the same people that say the F-15 rules the world and no Su-35 can touch it. It's time to realize that we have a lot of outdated weaponary out there, but the reason the US Armed Forces continue to kick ass is because we have something a lot of other militaries lack: EXTENSIVE TRAINING. So with aircraft, I love how people always pull out the F-22 because that seems to be the only safe plane to fall back upon when people point out that F-16s suck.

But with helicopters? It's time to realize that while AH-64s are survivable and they have had a lot of modifications, they are still outdated and there's a lot of stuff out there that's better.

It's like saying your Athlon 64 3500+ kicks ass. Sure it does, but there's better stuff now

Im waiting for EagleKeeper to come in here and totally flame your ass for that.

 

[Colt45]

even if it was superior, the US would never buy it. the only manufacturing left in the country is military

 

[Ruptga]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom
have to be a brave mofo to eject..

The rotors will be blown off by explosives first before the pilot ejects

really ? which way, sideways ?

"The Ka-50 is the world's first operational helicopter with a rescue ejection system, which allows pilot to escape at all altitudes and speeds. The K-37-800 Rocket Assisted Ejection System is manufactured by the Zvezda Research and Production Enterprise Joint Stock Company in the Moscow Region. The seat operates by pulling the pilot from the helicopter cabin using a solid-propellant rocket motor. The system comprises the seat, a control unit and a pullout rocket motor. The seat is fitted with a survival pack containing an NAZ-7M survival kit, a life raft and a PS-37A parachute system. The seat provides safe forced emergency escape from helicopters in the speed range 0 to 350 km/hour and at altitude 0 to 6,000 metres. The seat also provides safe ejection during inverted flight (at speeds 0 to 330 km/h with zero vertical velocity) at a minimum altitude of 90 metres. Pilot is ejected in max. six second."

http://www.military.cz/russia/air/helicopters/Ka_50/ka50_en.htm

no thanks keep your ex soviet junk..

AH-64 is by far a superior aircraft in aerobatics suvivablity and avionics and wep systems..

the only weakness to the OLDER Apaches was indeed sand killing turbines.

How about you come up with some numbers first before bashing all Russian Weapons are junk?

every single wep system the Soviets had they stole from us during the walker spy case and before..

you didnt post 1 number nor have you served in either the US or Soviet armed forces.. I have been inside and seen what Apaches can do close up in the 10 years with the Armed Forces.. (join US Navy/Army ops) have you ever worked on a Werewolf? no one in the US has.. infact the POS isnt even combat proven yet.

look at the avionics package for the Werewolf.. ALL analog.. no advanced avionics at all..
look at the Longbow Apache.. able to track up to 6 targets at 1 time from behind cover and destroy them all without even being seen..

there werewolf is incapable of this.. it is a knuckledragger fighter in your face.. and Soviet missles have always been notorious for having issues. and its cannon is fixed along side the aircrafts body.. the Apaches 30mm is on a turret thats guided by the gunners helmet what he sees dies...

The KA-50 has it too. Plus you can get it equipped with third party avionics if that's your preference.

# The HOKUM uses a low-light level TV or thermal sighting, a laser range-finder (10 km), FLIR, air data sensor, and digital data-link which interface with a fire control com-puter, an autopilot, a helmet sighting system and HUD for target location, acquisition, designation, and firing. Night/Weather Capabilities:
# This aircraft?s avionics package ensuring a full day/night, all weather capability. If it is to be employed at night in an attack role, it must be fitted with a night targeting pod. This pod includes a FLIR, a millimeter wave radar, and an electro-optical sight takes up one of the underwing pylons. The Ka-50N, and Ka-52 are capable of performing attack missions in day/night, and all-weather conditions.
# The French companies Thomson-CSF, and Sextant Avionique offer nav/attack systems, which can be fitted to export variants.

Would really like to see the advantage a helmet mounted site would do for a Cannon thats HARD mounted along side the aircrafts body..

and read that again.. for your own benefit... in order for this aircraft to have half the capabilities our aircraft does STOCK.. they have to give up an entire wep station to mount the package..

btw French Avionics arnt exactly known for thier being state of the art either...

The cannon is not hard mounted. It doesn't have 360 degree range of motion, but it does aim.

The semi-rigid mounting improves the cannon's accuracy, giving the 30mm a longer practical range and better hit ratio at medium ranges than with a free-turning turret mount.

Can you say "nested posts"? This thing is reminding me of that "if an airplane is on a conveyor belt will it take off" thread over in Highly Technical

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Tom
have to be a brave mofo to eject..

The rotors will be blown off by explosives first before the pilot ejects

really ? which way, sideways ?

"The Ka-50 is the world's first operational helicopter with a rescue ejection system, which allows pilot to escape at all altitudes and speeds. The K-37-800 Rocket Assisted Ejection System is manufactured by the Zvezda Research and Production Enterprise Joint Stock Company in the Moscow Region. The seat operates by pulling the pilot from the helicopter cabin using a solid-propellant rocket motor. The system comprises the seat, a control unit and a pullout rocket motor. The seat is fitted with a survival pack containing an NAZ-7M survival kit, a life raft and a PS-37A parachute system. The seat provides safe forced emergency escape from helicopters in the speed range 0 to 350 km/hour and at altitude 0 to 6,000 metres. The seat also provides safe ejection during inverted flight (at speeds 0 to 330 km/h with zero vertical velocity) at a minimum altitude of 90 metres. Pilot is ejected in max. six second."

http://www.military.cz/russia/air/helicopters/Ka_50/ka50_en.htm

no thanks keep your ex soviet junk..

AH-64 is by far a superior aircraft in aerobatics suvivablity and avionics and wep systems..

the only weakness to the OLDER Apaches was indeed sand killing turbines.

How about you come up with some numbers first before bashing all Russian Weapons are junk?

every single wep system the Soviets had they stole from us during the walker spy case and before..

you didnt post 1 number nor have you served in either the US or Soviet armed forces.. I have been inside and seen what Apaches can do close up in the 10 years with the Armed Forces.. (join US Navy/Army ops) have you ever worked on a Werewolf? no one in the US has.. infact the POS isnt even combat proven yet.

look at the avionics package for the Werewolf.. ALL analog.. no advanced avionics at all..
look at the Longbow Apache.. able to track up to 6 targets at 1 time from behind cover and destroy them all without even being seen..

there werewolf is incapable of this.. it is a knuckledragger fighter in your face.. and Soviet missles have always been notorious for having issues. and its cannon is fixed along side the aircrafts body.. the Apaches 30mm is on a turret thats guided by the gunners helmet what he sees dies...

The KA-50 has it too. Plus you can get it equipped with third party avionics if that's your preference.

# The HOKUM uses a low-light level TV or thermal sighting, a laser range-finder (10 km), FLIR, air data sensor, and digital data-link which interface with a fire control com-puter, an autopilot, a helmet sighting system and HUD for target location, acquisition, designation, and firing. Night/Weather Capabilities:
# This aircraft?s avionics package ensuring a full day/night, all weather capability. If it is to be employed at night in an attack role, it must be fitted with a night targeting pod. This pod includes a FLIR, a millimeter wave radar, and an electro-optical sight takes up one of the underwing pylons. The Ka-50N, and Ka-52 are capable of performing attack missions in day/night, and all-weather conditions.
# The French companies Thomson-CSF, and Sextant Avionique offer nav/attack systems, which can be fitted to export variants.

Would really like to see the advantage a helmet mounted site would do for a Cannon thats HARD mounted along side the aircrafts body..

and read that again.. for your own benefit... in order for this aircraft to have half the capabilities our aircraft does STOCK.. they have to give up an entire wep station to mount the package..

btw French Avionics arnt exactly known for thier being state of the art either...

The cannon is not hard mounted. It doesn't have 360 degree range of motion, but it does aim.

The semi-rigid mounting improves the cannon's accuracy, giving the 30mm a longer practical range and better hit ratio at medium ranges than with a free-turning turret mount.

its mounted to the right side of the cockpit it cannot traverse at ALL to the left without left rudder being inputted to turn the entire aircraft.. and its arc the the right is only a 45 degree forward arc. so again.. whats the point..


the apache cannon on the other can can traverse unrestricted to both sides with a MUCh wider field of fire..

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

its mounted to the right side of the cockpit it cannot traverse at ALL to the left without left rudder being inputted to turn the entire aircraft.. and its arc the the right is only a 45 degree forward arc. so again.. whats the point..


the apache cannon on the other can can traverse unrestricted to both sides with a MUCh wider field of fire..

The point is it's a better, more accurate cannon with higher range. Also, when you are shooting down, it has sufficient range of motion to both right and left. because the barrel clears below the body when shooting right and down.
This is a single seat helicopter, so the pilot is also the gunner. So it's not like he is going to be flying forward while aiming the gun backward.
KA-50 is not the Apache counterpart, the Mi-28 is.