Deeko
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Hey Eagles fans, I have a question for you.
You are spouting the 'Vick can't throw' line. Do me a favor, check his stats, then check McNabb's stats.
After the same number of seasons, they had VERY similar numbers. Everyone was saying McNabb couldn't throw either(hey, I was one of them). What happened after that? Oh...he threw 30 TD's and less than 10 INT's. Who are YOU, of all sports fans, to say Vick can never be a good QB?
You are spouting the 'Vick can't throw' line. Do me a favor, check his stats, then check McNabb's stats.
After the same number of seasons, they had VERY similar numbers. Everyone was saying McNabb couldn't throw either(hey, I was one of them). What happened after that? Oh...he threw 30 TD's and less than 10 INT's. Who are YOU, of all sports fans, to say Vick can never be a good QB?
I believe I shot down this idiotic comparison the last time you made this post. I shan't be going to the trouble again.
I GOT MY TO JERSEY ON AND IM READY FOR THE GAME TONIGHT. Vick is in a world of hurtin tonight. FLY EAGLES FLY
Deeko
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I actually had missed your response in that thread, so I'll respond to you now.
They had very similar completion percentages and td/int ratios, McNabb just threw the ball more often, and thus had more yards. Last time I checked, the Eagles didn't have the #1 rushing attack in the league that year, so they had to pass more often.
Next?
First of all, you could say pretty much every starting nfl QB has similar completion pct. And here are the "very similar" td/int ratios: Vick (1.17:1) McNabb (2.89:1) - how that is similar is beyond me. And Vick didn't throw as much because HE IS NOT A GOOD PASSER. All this while leading the league in sacks and if I'm not mistaken, lost fumbles. What a star.
Att Comp Pct Yards YPA TD Int Rate
321 181 56.4 2313 7.21 14 12 78.1 (Vick)
546 317 58.4 3437 6.34 26 9 86.0 (Mick)
(mcnabb's stats extrapolated to 15 games to compare with vick's 15)
Deeko
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You COULD keep posting extrapolated numbers, or you could post the REAL numbers. Sure, McNabb was hurt that year, that doesn't mean he would have had the same numbers the rest of the season, so lets stick to what happened, mmkay?
McNabb: 58.4% completion, 6.73 y/p, 4.7% td/p, 1.7% int/p, 7.3 y/c, 5 fumbles lost
Vick: 56.4% completion, 7.21 y/p, 4.4% td/p, 3.7% int/ps, 7.5 y/c, 7 fumbles lost
Ok, I was wrong about the td/int ratio, but with that one exception, I'd say thats pretty damn close, whether you want to admit it or not. And for the record, anything under 60% completion is considered pretty bad, and they were within 2% of each other, so yes, they were considered close for completion percentage.
(oh, and since you love extrapolated numbers....McNabb would have lost 7.5 fumbles had he played 15 games, bye bye argument about Vick fumbling so much)
McNabb: 58.4% completion, 6.73 y/p, 4.7% td/p, 1.7% int/p, 7.3 y/c, 5 fumbles lost
Vick: 56.4% completion, 7.21 y/p, 4.4% td/p, 3.7% int/ps, 7.5 y/c, 7 fumbles lost
Ok, I was wrong about the td/int ratio, but with that one exception, I'd say thats pretty damn close, whether you want to admit it or not. And for the record, anything under 60% completion is considered pretty bad, and they were within 2% of each other, so yes, they were considered close for completion percentage.
(oh, and since you love extrapolated numbers....McNabb would have lost 7.5 fumbles had he played 15 games, bye bye argument about Vick fumbling so much)
Of course the numbers look similar when you're looking at such a small scale.
And why pay attention to the most meaningful 2 stat categories for quarterbacks when it doesn't support your theory? I mean who cares about the number of touchdowns? I just care about the ratios!
Deeko
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Such a small scale? You're posting theoretical numbers that may or may not have even happened. Let me explain something to you. The Eagles run a very pass-based offense, whereas the Falcons is very run-based. You can sit there and argue that this is because Vick isn't a good passer, but considering they Falcons led the league in rushing last year, I'd have to disagree with you. Thus, don't you think it would make sense if McNabb threw a few more times a game than Vick? You're the one who likes to assume that a player will throw for the same 'percentage' of everything with every pass, based on your theoretical extrapolation, so why can't you extrapolate Vick's numbers to 500+ attempts? What if that's the kind of offense they ran? Who's to say he wouldn't continue to put up the same ratio of everything?
What, you mean the "west coast" offense, which they both run? The Falcon's offense is "run-based" because Vick has no pocket presence and runs a lot, thus inflating their rush statistics. The fact remains that he struggles to throw a 200 yard game.
I'm calling upset city tonight for no other reason than a gut feeling.
If the '49ers can topple the Rams, the Bucs can beat the Viks, and the Fins can take out Denver 34-10, then the Falcons can easily take the Eagles.
I could be wrong though. Brain says Eagles, heart says Atlanta..
If the '49ers can topple the Rams, the Bucs can beat the Viks, and the Fins can take out Denver 34-10, then the Falcons can easily take the Eagles.
I could be wrong though. Brain says Eagles, heart says Atlanta..
Deeko
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Falcons '04
Warrick Dunn: 265 att, 1106 yds, 4.2 avg, 9 TD
TJ Ducket: 104 att, 509 yds, 4.9 avg, 8 TD
Michael Vick: 120 att, 902 yds, 7.5 avg, 3 TD
total: 489 att, 2517 yds, 5.15 avg, 20 TD
Eagles '02
Brian Westbrook: 46 att, 193 yds, 4.2 avg, 0 TD
Duce Staley: 269 att, 1029 yds, 3.8 avg, 5 TD
Donovan McNabb: 63 att, 460 yds, 7.3 avg, 6 TD
total: 378 att, 1682 yds, 4.45 avg, 11 TD
Yea, they run the same kind of offense though, so there is no excuse for Vick throwing less than McNabb.
edit: even IF you take out the QB's, since you insist that has to do with having no pocket presence(which doesn't explain why McNabb would have "extrapolated" to 93 carries that year, not far off from Vick's 120), the Falcons still had a clearly superior running game.
edit2: I forgot the Eagles had Dorsey Levens that year so the numbers are a little off, but the end result is the same.
Warrick Dunn: 265 att, 1106 yds, 4.2 avg, 9 TD
TJ Ducket: 104 att, 509 yds, 4.9 avg, 8 TD
Michael Vick: 120 att, 902 yds, 7.5 avg, 3 TD
total: 489 att, 2517 yds, 5.15 avg, 20 TD
Eagles '02
Brian Westbrook: 46 att, 193 yds, 4.2 avg, 0 TD
Duce Staley: 269 att, 1029 yds, 3.8 avg, 5 TD
Donovan McNabb: 63 att, 460 yds, 7.3 avg, 6 TD
total: 378 att, 1682 yds, 4.45 avg, 11 TD
Yea, they run the same kind of offense though, so there is no excuse for Vick throwing less than McNabb.
edit: even IF you take out the QB's, since you insist that has to do with having no pocket presence(which doesn't explain why McNabb would have "extrapolated" to 93 carries that year, not far off from Vick's 120), the Falcons still had a clearly superior running game.
edit2: I forgot the Eagles had Dorsey Levens that year so the numbers are a little off, but the end result is the same.
Yeah they have a good rushing offense. Because. Vick. Can't. Pass.
It's pretty sad that a team that runs the west coast offense has a quarterback that is such a bad passer that they manage to lead the league in rushing in what is supposed to be a pass-oriented offense. Anyway, have fun with all those 150 yard passing games.
Deeko
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The Falcons ran the ball almost 200 times more than they passed last year. Just because the coordinator calls it a 'west coast offense' does not mean its the same 'west coast offense' that brad childress uses. You call that sad, for no real reason other than the term 'west coast offense'. Whatever, think what you will, they have a good offense, Michael Vick is a huge part of it, and he's still very young(only 6 months older than Eli Manning, for reference), so he still has plenty of time to develop. This could very well be the year he proves people like you wrong, we shall see.
You should know better than anyone else that I am not a falcons fan. I could care less how the Falcons do this year, the only game on their schedule that I care about is tonight.
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