The Unofficial ASUS P5N-E SLI 650i Board Thread

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nefariouscaine

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it seems i can't search for such a short term but I'm looking to find out if there is another way to upgrade the bios with out having to use a floppy disk. I tried to copy the ****.ROM file to a CD but even though the bios update utility recognizes it i get a message about the downgraded file is not compatible. If someone has experience with this that would be great - I might have a floppy drive around here some place but I have no clue if it works or not.
 

AMelbye

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You can make bootable CDs with Nero. You'd have to make a bootable cd of an image file of a bootable floppy with cdrom support to make it work. You'd then add the bios rom file to the regular cd portion of the disc. It's also possible to make USB momory sticks ms-dos bootable, but it takes a bit more effort. have a search around the net and you'll find the answers you're looking for.
 

Tuvoc

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Originally posted by: nefariouscaine
it seems i can't search for such a short term but I'm looking to find out if there is another way to upgrade the bios with out having to use a floppy disk. I tried to copy the ****.ROM file to a CD but even though the bios update utility recognizes it i get a message about the downgraded file is not compatible. If someone has experience with this that would be great - I might have a floppy drive around here some place but I have no clue if it works or not.

Simple - the BIOS can be flashed very simply from a flash drive. Not need to make it bootable or anything like that
 

Tuvoc

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Originally posted by: JustaGeek
I definitely will.

BTW, have you tried running your memory at lower latencies? I mean, if your modules are specified as 4-4-4-12, since you are running at 711MHz, try 3-3-3-10 for example.

This way, you should be able to "regain" the RAM bandwidth lost due to the lowered frequencies.

Unless, of course, you've already tried that...

No, I haven't tried because I also heard that the board has issues with running anything tighter than 4-4-4-12 no matter what the RAM. I find that hard to accept though, so I may give it a go. Maybe 3-3-3-10 at 667 could be worth a go first. But I'm more interested in absolute stability ratehr than eeking out every last bit of performance
 

JustaGeek

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Originally posted by: Tuvoc

No, I haven't tried because I also heard that the board has issues with running anything tighter than 4-4-4-12 no matter what the RAM. I find that hard to accept though, so I may give it a go. Maybe 3-3-3-10 at 667 could be worth a go first. But I'm more interested in absolute stability ratehr than eeking out every last bit of performance

I absolutely agree. My overclocking "adventures" serve only one purpose - increased, but STABLE performance of the system used for everyday tasks, but also games like NHL 07, Quake 4 and Far Cry, to name a few. The graphics are just incredible on the highest settings at 1680x1050.

BTW, Quake 4 shows the use of memory at 64% - consistent with the 2GB barrier for almost all the software designed for a 32 bit OS. Seems like the "jittering" is gone though, perhaps the system uses that higher memory area instead of the Paging File.
 

Tuvoc

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: JustaGeek
I absolutely agree. My overclocking "adventures" serve only one purpose - increased, but STABLE performance of the system used for everyday tasks, but also games like NHL 07, Quake 4 and Far Cry, to name a few. The graphics are just incredible on the highest settings at 1680x1050.
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Yes, my machine also runs 24/7 with all 4 cores under full load, so it is even more important.

If I want a slight speed boost I can just up the multiplier from 10 to 11, although with the horrible vdroop with this board and quad cores, I'd probably also have to bump up the vcore a tiny bit, maybe by .025v

I did also try 333 x 9 = 3.0GHz briefly a while back on stock voltages, but it did fail orthos after a while. But to run that FSB I'd be more comfortable putting a heatsink on the southbridge and a fan on the Northbridge. I'll do that anyway as I have the bits here, when I get time

 

AMelbye

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Tuvoc: the bios can be flashed simply from a flash drive, but certain bios versions won't work with the built-in utility, hence the need for real DOS.

Garkifox: is that another beta, or an official release?
 

Tuvoc

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Originally posted by: AMelbye
Tuvoc: the bios can be flashed simply from a flash drive, but certain bios versions won't work with the built-in utility, hence the need for real DOS.

That is only if you are going backwards, is it not ?
If you are only ever flashing to newer versions, I thought the flash drive method would always work (at least it has for me...)

 

adder1971

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Originally posted by: AMelbye
Hmm. If that's the case, I guess the LDT multiplier might not make that much of a difference. I guess the only way to find out is by overclocking a board without additional SB cooling already installed. If anyone has one?

my board has no southbridge cooling.
 

marzomauro

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Hi all, this is my post in this forum.
I have this great Mobo OCed at 3.2 with 1.35 Vcore.
My question is about CPU temps.
I have vista x64 so I can't use TAT or Coretemp.
Both SpeedFan and Everest show me, in idle condition, that CPU temp is higher than core temps (42 against 37-38). Today in Italy is hot (28°).
When I start Orthos, core temps go suddenly at 50 while CPU raises slowly (47).
For what I know core temps have to be always higher than CPU temps, also in idle conditions...so is there something wrong?
I have Noctua NC-U6 on NB e Scythe Katana II on CPU.
Thanks
 

Tuvoc

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You can use Coretemp with Vista x64
As your machine boots up, hit F8 key repeatedly. Windows gives a number of boot-up options. Choose the last one, disable driver signature enforcement, and CoreTemp works perfectly
But I use Everest anyway, and it gives the same readings as CoreTemp
 

marzomauro

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Originally posted by: Tuvoc
You can use Coretemp with Vista x64
As your machine boots up, hit F8 key repeatedly. Windows gives a number of boot-up options. Choose the last one, disable driver signature enforcement, and CoreTemp works perfectly
But I use Everest anyway, and it gives the same readings as CoreTemp

Yeah it works.
Coretemp reads the same temperatures as SpeedFan and Everest.
So I think I don't have to worry about my core temps...
36 idle 55 under load.

 

Shampoo

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Finally got my new password for the forums, so I'm back.

Quick update in my quest for a stable overclock on this board.

I've got 4GB of OCZ Titanium PC6400 EPP ram @ 1020MHz on this board.

After much testing I've realized, like many others, that there is a fsb hole between 700-800 something MHz when using 4GB of ram on this board.

OCZ reps have confirmed this on their forums for the 650i chipset.

I couldn't for the life of me get it stable at 800MHz, so I got fed up and just went for it and punched in 1066MHz and everything worked perfectly, of course until I ran stress tests.

I'm happily running my E6420 @ 3.4GHz (425FSB) with 1.44vcore with pencil vdroop mod and my ram with 5-5-5-15-2T @ 1020MHz with default voltages of 2.1volts with an OCZ XTC Memory cooler over my four modules.

Anyone else stuck at 700 or 667MHz on this board should give higher clocks a try, because you never know until you try.

Cheers,
Mike

PS
still testing stability because even after passing a 26 hour orthos stress test with mixed cpu and ram stressing, my system started blue screening from time to time just surfing the web in win XP, but would constantly blue screen in Vista x32.
Changed all ram into different slots and all is well so far. (strange)
 

Tuvoc

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Originally posted by: Shampoo
After much testing I've realized, like many others, that there is a fsb hole between 700-800 something MHz when using 4GB of ram on this board.

OCZ reps have confirmed this on their forums for the 650i chipset.

I couldn't for the life of me get it stable at 800MHz, so I got fed up and just went for it and punched in 1066MHz and everything worked perfectly, of course until I ran stress tests.

I'm happily running my E6420 @ 3.4GHz (425FSB) with 1.44vcore with pencil vdroop mod and my ram with 5-5-5-15-2T @ 1020MHz with default voltages of 2.1volts with an OCZ XTC Memory cooler over my four modules.

Anyone else stuck at 700 or 667MHz on this board should give higher clocks a try, because you never know until you try.

Cheers,
Mike
(strange)

What a revelation ! Almost everyone has thought that 730 or so was the limit for 4GB, but in fact it is just a "hole", and settings above 800 may work ! Petty amazing, I'll give it a go at some point. Thanks for the info !!
 

Shampoo

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No problem Tuvoc.

I don't remember the exact fsb hole range, but the ocz tech rep said he's realized it from the mid 700's to the high 800's, so start at 900MHz and up.

I had a hell of a time getting my system stable, but it's finally looking to be stable.

I'm still so confused as to how I could run 26 hours stable with a mixed orthos test, and then start blue screening.

Maybe there was dust in the ram slot? I've seen it happen before.

So far so good, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed and am still trying to properly seat my Ultra-120 Extreme on my cpu.

What a task.

Cheers,
Mike
 

Tuvoc

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I checked the OCZ forum - he says that the board won't boot between 723 and 838, and to set it at anything above 854 and it should boot

I'll try 855 :) and hopefully can retain the same 4-4-4-12 timings, it if works. It's 800 spec so hopefully there is a bit more in it
 

Tuvoc

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Yeah it's already 2T
I'll run some benchmarks first, so I can compare the results after I change the settings, assuming they work
 

c2beast

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ok so i just assembled my rig and this is my first time over clocking and i am in desprate need of help. first my bios are rev. 0401 and every thing that i have read states that i need to upgrade. i am not sure how to do this as i dont have a floppy drive and also my audio wont work and i have installed the ac 97 drivers and the realtek audio drivers and both dont work please help me.
 

JustaGeek

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Has anyone had problems with NVidia IDE driver...?

The "Event Viewer" would show:

Event Type: Error
Event Source: Disk
Event Category: None
Event ID: 11
Date: 6/27/2007
The driver detected a controller error on \Device\Harddisk0\D.

There would be several error entries, and sometimes it would take longer to log-in to Windows.

It started happening when I added the extra 1 GB RAM, and activated /3GB switch in boot.ini file. Coincidence...?

It all seems to have disappeared when I un-installed the "NVidia nForce 430/410 Serial ATA controller" driver, dated 4/24/2006, Version 5.10.2600.666, and am now using the Windows standard IDE ATA/ATAPI controller driver.

Did the problem go away, or does the Windows driver just fail to report it?

I would appreciate your comments.
 

JustaGeek

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Originally posted by: JustaGeek
Has anyone had problems with NVidia IDE driver...?

I think I have solved the problem - it was caused by... Logitech SetPoint Mouse driver.

I installed SetPoint v. 4.000.... and thats when my wife and I experienced weird issues, including extended log-in time.

Uninstalling it, and installation of updated NVidia SMbus, Network and ATA drivers seems to have solved the problem.