The Universe is Finite....With No Boundaries....

[Stojakapimp]

I just learned in physics that the universe is infinite by using the Doppler Effect. We look at light waves coming from distant galaxies, determine the frequency of those waves, and using this equation:

Fobs = Fsource * (sqroot(1+v/c)/sqroot(1-v/c)) we find that the direction of v is a speed going away from us. Thus the universe is expanding

 

It appears to be expanding because we are nothing but a child's thoughts and he is growing up.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
I just learned in physics that the universe is infinite by using the Doppler Effect. We look at light waves coming from distant galaxies, determine the frequency of those waves, and using this equation:

Fobs = Fsource * (sqroot(1+v/c)/sqroot(1-v/c)) we find that the direction of v is a speed going away from us. Thus the universe is expanding

We've known that since the 1920s. How does that help us with determining whether or not the universe is finite?

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
I just learned in physics that the universe is infinite by using the Doppler Effect. We look at light waves coming from distant galaxies, determine the frequency of those waves, and using this equation:

Fobs = Fsource * (sqroot(1+v/c)/sqroot(1-v/c)) we find that the direction of v is a speed going away from us. Thus the universe is expanding

Just because it's expanding doesen't mean it's infinite. If it is expanding, then there is an event horizon. What is beyond that? What is it expanding in?

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
I just learned in physics that the universe is infinite by using the Doppler Effect. We look at light waves coming from distant galaxies, determine the frequency of those waves, and using this equation:

Fobs = Fsource * (sqroot(1+v/c)/sqroot(1-v/c)) we find that the direction of v is a speed going away from us. Thus the universe is expanding

Just because it's expanding doesen't mean it's infinite. If it is expanding, then there is an event horizon. What is beyond that? What is it expanding in?

An event horizon at the "end" of an infinitely expanding universe? The perception of the earth in the days of Columbus was both geocentric and flat, but it wasn't until someone actually observed first hand that the true state was chosen; in other words, the other state collapsed (a state of being flat). Unfortunately, we can't send someone to the "end" of the universe to collapse the state of (in)finity.

 

[Stojakapimp]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
I just learned in physics that the universe is infinite by using the Doppler Effect. We look at light waves coming from distant galaxies, determine the frequency of those waves, and using this equation:

Fobs = Fsource * (sqroot(1+v/c)/sqroot(1-v/c)) we find that the direction of v is a speed going away from us. Thus the universe is expanding

We've known that since the 1920s. How does that help us with determining whether or not the universe is finite?

so then this is about the universe expanding until it runs into the border of the soccer ball?

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
I just learned in physics that the universe is infinite by using the Doppler Effect. We look at light waves coming from distant galaxies, determine the frequency of those waves, and using this equation:

Fobs = Fsource * (sqroot(1+v/c)/sqroot(1-v/c)) we find that the direction of v is a speed going away from us. Thus the universe is expanding

Just because it's expanding doesen't mean it's infinite. If it is expanding, then there is an event horizon. What is beyond that? What is it expanding in?

An event horizon at the "end" of an infinitely expanding universe? The perception of the earth in the days of Columbus was both geocentric and flat, but it wasn't until someone actually observed first hand that the true state was chosen; in other words, the other state collapsed (a state of being flat). Unfortunately, we can't send someone to the "end" of the universe to collapse the state of (in)finity.

I was just pointing out that his post doesen't explain whether the universe is finite or infinite.

 

[Eli]

dp..

 

[Rapidskies]

I don't quite get the whole paper cylinder example.

 

[SagaLore]

I actually believe this is the case. Keeps the universe in a constant equillibrium although at any given point there might be an implosion or expansion.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
I just learned in physics that the universe is infinite by using the Doppler Effect. We look at light waves coming from distant galaxies, determine the frequency of those waves, and using this equation:

Fobs = Fsource * (sqroot(1+v/c)/sqroot(1-v/c)) we find that the direction of v is a speed going away from us. Thus the universe is expanding

We've known that since the 1920s. How does that help us with determining whether or not the universe is finite?

so then this is about the universe expanding until it runs into the border of the soccer ball?

No, this is about the fact that no one knows it's a soccer ball.

 

[duke]

Originally posted by: Roger
Think about it, how do you know you are real ?

What if you are just a passing thought of another entity ?

Roger, you took the red pill, didn't you?

 

[jayXTP]

According to Vedic Cosmology, there are countless universes, which are clustered together like foam on the surface of the Causal Ocean. The universes are separated from each other by the shell that envelopes each universe. Although the universes are clustered together, interactions between the universes are impossible. Each universe is completely protected by an enormous shell. Thus, each universe has a boundary. The universe is ball shaped and surrounded by an eight-fold shell. This shell is composed of primeval material elements in their most subtle manifestation. The shell consists of eight spherical layers in which each successive material element is manifested and stored. If we penetrate the universal shell consisting of these eight spherical layers, we will enter the universal globe and find a hollow region containing all the inhabited planets.

According to Vedic physics, space inside our universe is multidimensional. There are 64 main dimensions and each dimension is further divided into many sub-dimensions. Since the inhabitants of earth can only perceive three dimensions, their senses have no access to many other realms of universal reality. Therefore, we are unable to perceive many other planets and their inhabitants. Furthermore, there are other planets which we can perceive but at the same time we cannot see their inhabitants.

According to Vedic physics, different planetary levels have different time scales. Relativity of time is elaborately described in the Vedic literatures.

"Comparative Cosmology" by Akif Manaf J., Ph.D.


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Interesting to say the least....must research it some more...

 

[Descartes]

Interesting indeed. Thanks for the above.

Also interesting to me is how they were able to derive the dodecahedral "shape" of the universe. Why so interesting?

In the Pythagorean days 2 was the "female" number of opinion, and 3 was the "male" number of harmony. The number 5 was the combination of them meaning unity, marriage, etc. The Pythagoreans used a pentagram symbolizing health, because not only did it have 5 isosciles (sp? -- I can never spell that) triangles, if you draw a diagonal from all the vertices of the pentagon you have a pentagram with another pentagon in the center. This has meaning in aesthetics in mathematics as well with the number phi, but we're not talking about that.

Now fast forward to Plato who came up with the Platonic solids, one of which was the dodecahedron. The dodecahedron is of course composed of polygons which is of significant historical significant in Pythagorean mathematics (which inspired Plato). The most interesting part is, Plato used the Platonic solids to define the structure of matter, and the dodecahedron was used to define the universe as a whole!

So... provided that their research is valid, there's something of significant historical significance in mathematics. This would be one hell of a coincidence.

 

[jayXTP]

Originally posted by: jayXTP
According to Vedic Cosmology, there are countless universes, which are clustered together like foam on the surface of the Causal Ocean. The universes are separated from each other by the shell that envelopes each universe. Although the universes are clustered together, interactions between the universes are impossible. Each universe is completely protected by an enormous shell. Thus, each universe has a boundary. The universe is ball shaped and surrounded by an eight-fold shell. This shell is composed of primeval material elements in their most subtle manifestation. The shell consists of eight spherical layers in which each successive material element is manifested and stored. If we penetrate the universal shell consisting of these eight spherical layers, we will enter the universal globe and find a hollow region containing all the inhabited planets.

According to Vedic physics, space inside our universe is multidimensional. There are 64 main dimensions and each dimension is further divided into many sub-dimensions. Since the inhabitants of earth can only perceive three dimensions, their senses have no access to many other realms of universal reality. Therefore, we are unable to perceive many other planets and their inhabitants. Furthermore, there are other planets which we can perceive but at the same time we cannot see their inhabitants.

According to Vedic physics, different planetary levels have different time scales. Relativity of time is elaborately described in the Vedic literatures.

"Comparative Cosmology" by Akif Manaf J., Ph.D.


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Interesting to say the least....must research it some more...

found some more info. :

mysteries of the sacred universe

 

[308nato]

Originally posted by: Roger
It appears to be expanding because we are nothing but a child's thoughts and he is growing up.

What happens to us when the child reaches puberty ?

 

[her209]

parallel universes

 

What happens to us when the child reaches puberty ?

The Big Bang and then a Big Squirt.

 

[TheCorm]

Whether you admit it or not...it is actually impossible for any normal person to comprehend the universe being finite or infinte.

finite - there MUST be something beyond it jumps in the mind
infinite - it MUST end somewhere! jumps into the mind.

Jamie

 

[StormRider]

This means that if we could see forever in one direction, we would be looking at the back of our head.

 

[h8red]

Originally posted by: TheCorm
Whether you admit it or not...it is actually impossible for any normal person to comprehend the universe being finite or infinte.

finite - there MUST be something beyond it jumps in the mind
infinite - it MUST end somewhere! jumps into the mind.

Jamie

Jamie:
I can grasp an infinite universe. Its pretty easy for me anyway, I just view it as infinite numbers. There is always something more. But the concept of finite is very difficult for me to understand. If its finite, meaning it has an end, what's after the end? As I stated before, my mind is too finite to understand that

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Roger
I firmly believe that we are nothing but someone elses dream, they in turn are someone elses and so on and so on.

Reality is unreal.

Dude, you just described an acid trip i had when i was a teenager. I thought i was dreaming this life, and in reality i was a lizardtype race.

LOL another trip i had, i thought reality was what was induced by my chemical uses, and that when it wore off, i would finally 'wake up'.

 

[TheCorm]

Originally posted by: h8red

Originally posted by: TheCorm
Whether you admit it or not...it is actually impossible for any normal person to comprehend the universe being finite or infinte.

finite - there MUST be something beyond it jumps in the mind
infinite - it MUST end somewhere! jumps into the mind.

Jamie

Jamie:
I can grasp an infinite universe. Its pretty easy for me anyway, I just view it as infinite numbers. There is always something more. But the concept of finite is very difficult for me to understand. If its finite, meaning it has an end, what's after the end? As I stated before, my mind is too finite to understand that

I see where you are coming from but think about...really think....how can something go on without end....from one point of view you thik "yup...no problem....there is just no end" but then think....how can that really be?...I agree finite is a much more perplexing concept.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Roger
Think about it, how do you know you are real ?

What if you are just a passing thought of another entity ?

I think, therefore I am.

 

[MrYogi]

Originally posted by: Roger
Think about it, how do you know you are real ?

What if you are just a passing thought of another entity ?

ok. now u r freaking me out