The Universe is Finite....With No Boundaries....

308nato

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I found this intriguing........ I don't know squat about it, but, I am like that about many things.

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"Scientists have kicked around many possibilities for the shape of the cosmos and whether or not it has a boundary. Now one group says the big house is set up something like the surface of a soccer ball, with cosmic patches stitched together to form a decidedly finite universe. "

"If the theory is right ? and the researchers say more work is needed to bear it out ? then light should experience the same travel patterns as you did while walking around the paper cylinder. That would mean astronomers should be able to find multiple images of a single object in space. Weeks thinks of it this way: On the paper cylinder, a person could look east and west and, in both directions, see light coming from a single object that?s on the far side of the cylinder.
The concept has implications for space travel, or at least for pondering its potential extremes.
?Hypothetically speaking, if you head off into space you can travel in a straight line and come back to the starting point,? Weeks said. ?But it would take a long time.?

"?The universe is finite,? he said, ?but there?s no boundary to it,? implying that there is no beyond, or that if there is, then its nature is left to your imagination and is outside the closed system that astronomers can ever hope to see."




 

lozina

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So does that mean while staring out at some distant stars we could actually be looking at our own sun and solar system form another perspective?
 

I firmly believe that we are nothing but someone elses dream, they in turn are someone elses and so on and so on.

Reality is unreal.
 

fs5

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Originally posted by: Roger
I firmly believe that we are nothing but someone elses dream, they in turn are someone elses and so on and so on.

Reality is unreal.

holy sh!t, give me some of whatever you're smokin'
 

Radiohead

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Originally posted by: Roger
I firmly believe that we are nothing but someone elses dream, they in turn are someone elses and so on and so on.

Reality is unreal.

Or like how our galaxy is enclosed in a small glass sphere that is ultimately just part of some things marble set???
 

Descartes

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Originally posted by: Roger
I firmly believe that we are nothing but someone elses dream, they in turn are someone elses and so on and so on.

Reality is unreal.

Hmmm, huh?
 

Descartes

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Originally posted by: fivespeed5
Originally posted by: Roger
I firmly believe that we are nothing but someone elses dream, they in turn are someone elses and so on and so on.

Reality is unreal.

holy sh!t, give me some of whatever you're smokin'

I think he's been reading a little too much of Poe perhaps.
 

Think about it, how do you know you are real ?

What if you are just a passing thought of another entity ?
 

Descartes

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Originally posted by: Roger
Think about it, how do you know you are real ?

What if you are just a passing thought of another entity ?

Using your thought, the passing thought of the entity is what makes me real. This has some roots in quantum theory with respect to photons (e.g. double-slit experiment with a single photon--non-locality it's called), electrons, ad nauseum.

 

Why ?

Those too are nothing but passing thoughts as well, nothing is real.
 

Descartes

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Extending what I said above...

That which is not perceived is no less real than that which isn't. Using Schrodinger's Cat, we say that the cat is either dead and alive, or he is neither dead nor alive; rather, he's in a superstate of reality. It's believed that there are many states of reality, and the observer collapses ALL other facets of reality during measurement. In other words, if my state-space is that of real or not real, it would take an observer to collapse the state of unreal (using your words) to become real.
 

Descartes

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Originally posted by: Roger
Why ?

Those too are nothing but passing thoughts as well, nothing is real.

Now you're getting way too metaphysical; this statement really can't be debated or discussed. If nothing is real, then what else is there to say? That's a rather definitive statement that precludes any further discussion of what constitutes real.

It's been said in the past that the universe is not finite; rather, it's finite with overlapping states that leaves us with the perception of it being infinite (New Scientist from a few years back). This is similar to the idea put forth in this thread. The reality is that the universe is finite or its infinite, it can't be both.
 

UNCjigga

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Originally posted by: 308nato
?Hypothetically speaking, if you head off into space you can travel in a straight line and come back to the starting point,? Weeks said. ?But it would take a long time.?
Duh...haven't they ever played 'Asteroid'?

 

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Must KILL SOMETHING NOW....BRAIN HURTS FROM CONTEMPLATING THE ABYSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Must KILL SOMETHING NOW....BRAIN HURTS FROM CONTEMPLATING THE ABYSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Heisenburg is just a thought as well, not real, try again.