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The United States as a Democratic Republic

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This is something I have been wondering for a while... the United States operates as a democratic republic, that is, officials are elected by the people to make decisions on the behalf of the people.

At what point does making decisions on the behalf of the people translate into either a) following the peoples' wishes to the letter or b) making the decisions in the best interests of the people?

If we had followed the wishes of the American people the day after September 11th, we would probably have dropped a nuclear bomb on a Middle Eastern country. If we follow the wishes of the American people now, we start a war with Iraq (or continue the war, whichever version you prefer).
 
Originally posted by: Zakath15
This is something I have been wondering for a while... the United States operates as a democratic republic, that is, officials are elected by the people to make decisions on the behalf of the people.
That is correct, we are a republic.

At what point does making decisions on the behalf of the people translate into either a) following the peoples' wishes to the letter or b) making the decisions in the best interests of the people?
The correct answer is B.

The job of our leaders is to do what is in our own best interest. Sometimes the people don't have the full picture, sometimes they can collectively want things they shouldn't get.

If we had followed the wishes of the American people the day after September 11th, we would probably have dropped a nuclear bomb on a Middle Eastern country.
I know I suggested this very thing at the time. I was so mad/angry/upset, I couldn't see straight. Now I see that it would have been a bad idea. Cooler heads prevailed.

If we follow the wishes of the American people now, we start a war with Iraq (or continue the war, whichever version you prefer).
People are of course concerned with the outcome of a war with Iraq. If we win quickly, the numbers supporting Bush will go up, if not, they will go down.

I still say that we should not have sat around Tora Bora for three weeks. It is isolated, remote, away from civilians. We should have hit that cave complex with a tatical nuclear weapon, killing all the Taliban/Al Quadia people inside and around it.

The world would have had a fit, but we would have gotten Bin Laden. Saddam might be complying now, and we might be able to avoid a war in Iraq had we done so.

That being said, there are equally valid reasons for not having done that, so don't think I'm gung ho on that idea, it is just something that I would have considered if I was President. Perhaps if I was President, I would have had access to information that would have made me realise it would be a really bad idea, or perhaps I would go ahead and do it.

Hard to say...

: ) Hopper
 
Hopefully someone will bump this later, I would not be surprised if others had far more informed opinions than mine to include.
 
Originally posted by: Grasshopper27
Originally posted by: Zakath15
This is something I have been wondering for a while... the United States operates as a democratic republic, that is, officials are elected by the people to make decisions on the behalf of the people.
That is correct, we are a republic.

At what point does making decisions on the behalf of the people translate into either a) following the peoples' wishes to the letter or b) making the decisions in the best interests of the people?
The correct answer is B.

The job of our leaders is to do what is in our own best interest. Sometimes the people don't have the full picture, sometimes they can collectively want things they shouldn't get.

If we had followed the wishes of the American people the day after September 11th, we would probably have dropped a nuclear bomb on a Middle Eastern country.
I know I suggested this very thing at the time. I was so mad/angry/upset, I couldn't see straight. Now I see that it would have been a bad idea. Cooler heads prevailed.

If we follow the wishes of the American people now, we start a war with Iraq (or continue the war, whichever version you prefer).
People are of course concerned with the outcome of a war with Iraq. If we win quickly, the numbers supporting Bush will go up, if not, they will go down.

I still say that we should not have sat around Tora Bora for three weeks. It is isolated, remote, away from civilians. We should have hit that cave complex with a tatical nuclear weapon, killing all the Taliban/Al Quadia people inside and around it.

The world would have had a fit, but we would have gotten Bin Laden. Saddam might be complying now, and we might be able to avoid a war in Iraq had we done so.

That being said, there are equally valid reasons for not having done that, so don't think I'm gung ho on that idea, it is just something that I would have considered if I was President. Perhaps if I was President, I would have had access to information that would have made me realise it would be a really bad idea, or perhaps I would go ahead and do it.

Hard to say...

: ) Hopper

Kind of like back before Pearl Harbor, when everybody knew we needed to stay neutral, and it took Pearl Harbor for the US people to favor a war?

 
Originally posted by: AvesPKS
Kind of like back before Pearl Harbor, when everybody knew we needed to stay neutral, and it took Pearl Harbor for the US people to favor a war?
Exactly...

FDR knew well in advance that we needed to get involved, but the American people refused to let him.

That is why it doesn't bother me that FDR might have let Pearl Harbor happen. The 2,200 deaths might well be worth it in the long run.

50 years from now, we might find out that the CIA allowed 9/11 to happen, believing that we needed to get these terrorists. Who knows, in the long run maybe we did and just didn't know it.

9/11 gave Bush permission from the American people to go to battle with evil in the world. Had Clinton tried it after the 2000 Cole bombing, the American people would have revolted aganst the idea.

Sad, but that is how it is sometimes...

: ) Hopper
 
FDR knew well in advance that we needed to get involved, but the American people refused to let him. That is why it doesn't bother me that FDR might have let Pearl Harbor happen. The 2,200 deaths might well be worth it in the long run.
Oh brother!

The fact that the Japanese would attempt an attack on our soil would have been enough to convince a good many Americans that the barbarians, previously so easy to ignore due to our great distance from Europe, were now at our gates. FDR wouldn't have needed to 'let' the Japanese attack be successful. Interdicting the Japanese attack 20 or 30 miles out in the Pacific would have sufficed to sway public opinion.

Please, enough with the conspiracy theories already.
 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Oh brother!

The fact that the Japanese would attempt an attack on our soil would have been enough to convince a good many Americans that the barbarians, previously so easy to ignore due to our great distance from Europe, were now at our gates. FDR wouldn't have needed to 'let' the Japanese attack be successful. Interdicting the Japanese attack 20 or 30 miles out in the Pacific would have sufficed to sway public opinion.

Please, enough with the conspiracy theories already.
It isn't a conspiracy thoery, it is darn near close to the truth.

It has since become known that Winston Churchall knew about the coming attack. What is in doubt is did he tell FDR or not. He might well have kept it to himself to force America into the war, or he might have said something. We'll probably never know.

In any case, it did the world a lot of good to get America into the war when we entered. A year later and it might have been too late.

Had there been a press release on 9/10/01 that 20 terrorists were arrested in Boston and New York, and that they had plans to hijack airliners, all it would have done is caused a bit of a ruffle.

To be threated with an attack is not the same as actualy being attacked. Since 9/11/01, the government claims they have foiled over 100 terrorist attacks around the world, including several within the US. Notice no major headlines and front page stories on any of them?

If the CIA knew about 9/11, they probably didn't know about the desire to ram them into buildings. Perhaps they figured they would just hi-jack them and land somewhere and demand the US get out of the middle east, as usual.

Maybe they didn't know, who really knows. My point is that it is possible, and if true, it is probably in the best interest of the US anyway.

For all we know, had 9/11/01 not occoured, then Al Quadia would have gotten their hands on a nuke by 9/11/02 and used it. Then instead of 3,000 dead we might have had 300,000 dead.

Again, who knows... But one thing is for sure, they are a lot less likely to get a nuke today than they were on 9/10/01.

: ) Hopper
 
Here is the main point.

Why didn't we invade Afghanistan and get Bin Laden after the 2000 Cole attack? Why not after the 1998 bombings in Africa against our Embasies? Why not after the 1996 Kobar towers attack?

Why did we wait until the 2001 attacks to get him? Simple, we didn't have enough of a reason before then. Blowing up a US military ship, a few embasies, or a military baracks is not enough to justify invasion of another country.

: ) Hopper
 
Originally posted by: Grasshopper27
Here is the main point.

Why didn't we invade Afghanistan and get Bin Laden after the 2000 Cole attack? Why not after the 1998 bombings in Africa against our Embasies? Why not after the 1996 Kobar towers attack?

Why did we wait until the 2001 attacks to get him? Simple, we didn't have enough of a reason before then. Blowing up a US military ship, a few embasies, or a military baracks is not enough to justify invasion of another country.

: ) Hopper

It's the difference between hitting military/governmental targets and civilians. If the Palestinian suicide bombers would only blow up military personnel the public opinion would be far more favorable to them. Killing civilians is a much faster way to get a government which cares about its civilians to capitulate, but if the government doesn't care, doesn't believe you will stop, or simply doesn't wanna give in, it is a good way to start an endless war.
 
It isn't a conspiracy thoery, it is darn near close to the truth.

It has since become known that Winston Churchall knew about the coming attack. What is in doubt is did he tell FDR or not. He might well have kept it to himself to force America into the war, or he might have said something. We'll probably never know.
You're kidding, right? This 'new' evidence is still sufficiently controversial as to virtually preclude any serious suggestion that it is now 'accepted' fact.

Churchill Myths

Opium for the People by Ron Helgemo

Did Churchill know of the impending Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor but did nothing so as to draw the United States into the war?

Betrayal at Pearl Harbor: A Television Documentary aired on the History Channel (USA), December 7th, 1998.

On the anniversary of Pearl Harbor, the History Channel, whose programs vary between solid history and opium for the people, ran a BBC-produced documentary claiming that President Roosevelt knew all about the surprise attack and allowed it to happen to get the United States into the war. The program, as Arthur Balfour might have said, contained much that is trite and much that it true, but what was true was trite, and what was not trite was not true.

That ?Betrayal at Pearl Harbor? should not be taken seriously is manifestly evident. Examples of why it shouldn?t begin with its interview of Robert Ogg, which approaches dishonesty. The producers fail to inform the audience that Mr. Ogg is the infamous ?Seaman Z? immortalized by John Toland, an early conspiracy theorist who wrote that Pearl Harbor was plotted by Franklin Roosevelt.

?Seaman Z,? whose story has had a nasty habit of changing over the years, claimed he heard ?queer signals? which could have been the missing Japanese aircraft carriers. But he could only have been hearing the carriers if the carriers were broadcasting.

The Japanese themselves claim their fleet (Kido Butai) never sent a single message. They say they dismantled the telegraph sending devices so a message could not be sent. After the war, the Strategic Bombing Survey found the Japanese military?s own after-action report, which credits the success of the attack to the fact that secrecy was maintained.

Among the reasons why secrecy was maintained, radio silence comes first. How could it be, for example, that Seaman Z in San Francisco picked up signals from the Japanese fleet but Hawaii, much closer and lying between California and the fleet, never heard it?

The producers of ?Betrayal? also interviewed Eric Nave, a British cryptologist who worked on the Japanese JN-25 naval code. Nave, with the late James Rusbridger, wrote Betrayal at Pearl Harbor, a book claiming Churchill hid what he knew about the attack from Roosevelt. The producers might have mentioned that Nave left Singapore in February 1940, had no further involvement with JN-25, and could not have known of the Japanese change to the JN-25B code in December 1940?and the resulting lack of anyone?s ability to read the code after that date. There are a couple of scenes with Pacific Fleet cryptologist Joe Rochefort, the hero of Midway, who is said to have read JN-25B intercepts. But they fail to mention Rochefort?s claims that he was reading only five to twenty percent of any message in JN-25B prior to Midway and could not have been reading more before then.

The ?Winds Code,? which is supposed to have been an attack signal disguised in a Japanese weather report, surfaces again in the History Channel presentation. I have yet to hear an explanation of how the ?Winds Code? told anybody anything about Pearl Harbor. Once again Ralph Briggs is dragged out as evidence that the Americans intercepted this message. How Briggs, in Cheltenham, Maryland, heard the coded weather report and no one else did has never been explained; it was supposed to be, after all, a regular mid-day, Japanese time, CB radio broadcast. Nor does the History Channel explain either why the Japanese sent it, since the failure in communications that would have necessitated the ?Winds Code? did not occur.

Tucked into the ?Betrayal? piece is Mr. Joe Lieb?s claim that Secretary of State Hull told him of the coming attack and named Pearl Harbor as the target. The trouble here is that Mr. Lieb and Mr. Hull were the only ones present at their alleged conversation, and Mr. Lieb did not see fit to tell anyone of this conversation until after Mr. Hull died. Thus there is no way independently to verify his claim.

An even more preposterous notion presented by the film is that General Marshall (he of course was also in on the plot) went horseback riding on a Sunday morning in order to be ?unavailable? forquestioners concerned about Japan?s next move, thus assuring the success of the Japanese air raid. Really! ?Betrayal at Pearl Harbor?s? case against General Marshall hinges on this, and the fact that he sent an alert warning to Pearl Harbor without sufficient priority. Surely it is easier to consider the latter act one of bureaucratic incompetence rather than a purposeful plot to delay an attack warning? If Pearl was being set up, why send a warning at all? To cover himself? But the warning was kept secret for fifty years!

Geostrategy and codebreaking take up a great deal of the film, which uses them to document accusations of prior knowledge of the coming attack by American authorities. The producers begin by alleging that the United States knew the Japanese attack force was in the Kurile Islands. If it did, then the U. S. had to expect an attack either in Alaska, Hawaii, the west coast or Panama. Of these possible targets, the film says, the only one that made any sense was Hawaii.

But the documentary oversimplifies: having its fleet in the Kuriles did not reduce Japan?s choices of where to attack. Admiral Yamamoto needed to bring the fleet together for an attack in the most secure place possible, regardless of direction. The ?southern strategy,? which eventually won out, required the Japanese Navy to neutralize the Philippines (then a U. S. territory), which crossed its sea lanes. This required Yamamoto to go after the U. S. Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor. That the Japanese had trouble making up their minds (Japanese Army-Navy politics was at work here too) served them, in the sense that it helped disguise their eventual choice. The ?northern strategy? (attacking Alaska) was also seen as a distinct possibility to Westerners. As late as 15 October 1941 Roosevelt wrote Churchill, ?I think they [the Japanese] are headed north.? (See Kimball?s Churchill and Roosevelt: The Complete Correspondence.)

Clearly the Japanese had a variety of strategic choices in the months prior to Pearl Harbor. The key to their Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere was China, and that was theirmajor concern throughout. Indeed, while the West may have focused primarily on the Japanese during the Pacific war, the Japanese continued to focus more on China. Even at the war?s end the Japanese had 1.9 million men and nearly 10,000 aircraft there. It made little sense to Japan to defeat the U. S. if that meant giving up China.

?Betrayal at Pearl Harbor? is very wise after the fact. The imminence of war, it tells us, should have been clear to American planners. Japan?s JN-25B code had been broken. The orders to sail the Japanese Fleet from the Kuriles to a rendezvous point in mid-Pacific were transmitted. The Dutch claimed to have intercepted them, so presumably the British and the Americans should have been able to do the same.

Certainly the imminence of war in the Pacific was obvious to any reasonably intelligent person at the time, but the Pacific did not get thee attention it deserved. To understand why, we must put ourselves in the shoes of leaders at that time?not laboratory analysts of the present. And at that time, the British were up to their eyeballs with Germans and the Americans were fighting an undeclared war with the German Navy in the North Atlantic. Hindsight, of course, is always 20-20. But on whatever the British and Americans ?should have been able to do,? let me quote a direct source. Duane Whitlock, unlike Mr. Nave, was there, on Corregidor, working on the Japanese codes. ?I can attest from first-hand experience that as of 1 December 1941 the recovery of JN-25B had not progressed to the point that it was productive of any appreciable intelligence,? stated Whitlock??not even enough to be pieced together by traffic analysis....It simply was not within the realm of our combined cryptologic capability to produce a usable decrypt at that particular juncture.?

In the early 1990s the U. S. Navy transferred all its cryptologic archives from Crane, Indiana to the National Archives in Washington. This includes 26,581 JN-25 intercepts from I September to 7 December. All of these are available for public review.

Mr. Helgemo is President of the Washington Society for Churchill, a Churchill Center Affiliate.
 
tcsenter,

A lot of very smart people now think Churchall knew about the attack. They had broken the codes and there are records now that parts of the British Government knew. It is assumed that the information made its way to Churchall.

In any case, you ignored the rest of my points. 🙂

: ) Hopper
 
Originally posted by: Zakath15
This is something I have been wondering for a while... the United States operates as a democratic republic, that is, officials are elected by the people to make decisions on the behalf of the people.

At what point does making decisions on the behalf of the people translate into either a) following the peoples' wishes to the letter or b) making the decisions in the best interests of the people?

If we had followed the wishes of the American people the day after September 11th, we would probably have dropped a nuclear bomb on a Middle Eastern country. If we follow the wishes of the American people now, we start a war with Iraq (or continue the war, whichever version you prefer).

Partly right. We are a constitutional republic with democratic representation. What is the difference? Well, as originally planned, our representatives would make laws based on both the popular opinion of their constituents, and their own good (or bad) judgment. However, these laws and government powers were constrained by the limitations in the Constitution, which required a 3/4 majority to change. This plan best met the needs of the people, while protecting the freedoms of the individual.

Now, it only needs a creative reading to twist the meaning of the Constitution, and voila! You've got a new law that was previously "unconstitutional" and new government powers where none existed before.

Why is it set up this way? Well, true democracy can turn into fascism of the majority. True democracy cannot protect the rights of the individual, or the unpopular minority.

There's a saying that goes, "true democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner."
 
Originally posted by: Grasshopper27
tcsenter,

A lot of very smart people now think Churchall knew about the attack. They had broken the codes and there are records now that parts of the British Government knew. It is assumed that the information made its way to Churchall.

In any case, you ignored the rest of my points. 🙂

: ) Hopper

"Smart" people are not always "reasonable" people. There are a LOT of very bright people out there with VERY unreasonable beliefs and ideas.
 
A lot of very smart people now think Churchall knew about the attack.
Not many, really, which is why you'll find zero mainstream sources reporting it.
They had broken the codes and there are records now that parts of the British Government knew. It is assumed that the information made its way to Churchall.
It is assumed by the same people who 'confessed' they were privileged to such information, when they were not (Nave and Briggs), or contradicted by people whose position to know is verifiable (Whitlock).

The Japanese never broke radio silence, period. No radio transmission, nothing to decrypt.
In any case, you ignored the rest of my points.
Well ignoring something and not finding it worthy of response are two different things. 😉
 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
FDR knew well in advance that we needed to get involved, but the American people refused to let him. That is why it doesn't bother me that FDR might have let Pearl Harbor happen. The 2,200 deaths might well be worth it in the long run.
Oh brother!

The fact that the Japanese would attempt an attack on our soil would have been enough to convince a good many Americans that the barbarians, previously so easy to ignore due to our great distance from Europe, were now at our gates. FDR wouldn't have needed to 'let' the Japanese attack be successful. Interdicting the Japanese attack 20 or 30 miles out in the Pacific would have sufficed to sway public opinion.

Please, enough with the conspiracy theories already.

American soil could be defined as the soil within the 50 states (not counting the soil within an embassy). Using that definition, the Japanese never did attack our soil, as Hawii wasn't a state when Pearl Harbor was bombed.

This is me getting technical about a mute point, but hey, why not...

Cheers,
Purg-Z

edit...my bad, I have never used moot in type before. Always have said it the correct way though. Give me a break, I wasn't a big english guy in school =)
 
Originally posted by: Spoooon
This is me getting technical about a mute point, but hey, why not...
Someone started a whole thread about you...

Tattletale. 😛

It wasn't about him. Sadly, there are LOTS of people who say "mute" instead of "moot."
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Spoooon
This is me getting technical about a mute point, but hey, why not...
Someone started a whole thread about you...

Tattletale. 😛

It wasn't about him. Sadly, there are LOTS of people who say "mute" instead of "moot."

What about out loud? Has anyone ever actually said mute when they meant moot? That would be even more criminal.
 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
FDR knew well in advance that we needed to get involved, but the American people refused to let him. That is why it doesn't bother me that FDR might have let Pearl Harbor happen. The 2,200 deaths might well be worth it in the long run.
Oh brother!

The fact that the Japanese would attempt an attack on our soil would have been enough to convince a good many Americans that the barbarians, previously so easy to ignore due to our great distance from Europe, were now at our gates. FDR wouldn't have needed to 'let' the Japanese attack be successful. Interdicting the Japanese attack 20 or 30 miles out in the Pacific would have sufficed to sway public opinion.

Please, enough with the conspiracy theories already.

Have you ever heard of a guy named Harry Turtledove? He is a big alternate history fiction author. (Of course I realize this is taken with a grain of salt...and of course, anything could have happened, nobody knows for sure, but...) Turtledove proposes that Billy Mitchell didn't die when he was supposed to. As a consequence, he recognized the radar blips as a Japanese force, and launched a raid of his own, repelling the Japanese before they reached US soil. As a result, the US doesn't enter the war until much later.

Again, I realize this is a tenuous position, at best...
 
At what point does making decisions on the behalf of the people translate into either a) following the peoples' wishes to the letter or b) making the decisions in the best interests of the people?
Option B, for at least a couple of reasons that I can see:

(i) The world is a complex place. With the division of labor under our current economic system each of us is forced to specialize in a particular field. We do not have the time (nor in many cases, the inclination) to fully inform ourselves about goings on around the world. Even keeping up with current affairs inside of our own country can be time-consuming. It makes perfect sense to have people who work full-time in the field of government determine its policies, since theoretically they should be most qualified to make those tough choices.

(ii) People are stupid. That's not elitism talking, just reality. Pure democracy (or Option A, which would be essentially the same thing) would be disastrous. The species would have wiped itself out long ago if the general public was running things. Iraq and Sept. 11 are just two examples...there are countless more. What about Pakistan-India? Is there any doubt that they would have nuked each other many times over if public opinion was the deciding factor?
 
Originally posted by: Spoooon
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Spoooon
This is me getting technical about a mute point, but hey, why not...
Someone started a whole thread about you...

Tattletale. 😛

It wasn't about him. Sadly, there are LOTS of people who say "mute" instead of "moot."

What about out loud? Has anyone ever actually said mute when they meant moot? That would be even more criminal.

I've never heard "mute" used in a spoken conversation before, thankfully. If I did, my head would probably blow up Scanners style.
 
Originally posted by: AvesPKS
Originally posted by: tcsenter
FDR knew well in advance that we needed to get involved, but the American people refused to let him. That is why it doesn't bother me that FDR might have let Pearl Harbor happen. The 2,200 deaths might well be worth it in the long run.
Oh brother!

The fact that the Japanese would attempt an attack on our soil would have been enough to convince a good many Americans that the barbarians, previously so easy to ignore due to our great distance from Europe, were now at our gates. FDR wouldn't have needed to 'let' the Japanese attack be successful. Interdicting the Japanese attack 20 or 30 miles out in the Pacific would have sufficed to sway public opinion.

Please, enough with the conspiracy theories already.

Have you ever heard of a guy named Harry Turtledove? He is a big alternate history fiction author. (Of course I realize this is taken with a grain of salt...and of course, anything could have happened, nobody knows for sure, but...) Turtledove proposes that Billy Mitchell didn't die when he was supposed to. As a consequence, he recognized the radar blips as a Japanese force, and launched a raid of his own, repelling the Japanese before they reached US soil. As a result, the US doesn't enter the war until much later.

Again, I realize this is a tenuous position, at best...

At best? LOL. The US didn't have the air power ready to fight back the Japanese even if we did have a ten or twenty minute advance notice. At most, we may have doubled the number of Japanese planes destroyed, and made them hold back their second wave. AT BEST.
 
Originally posted by: Purgatory-Z
Originally posted by: tcsenter
FDR knew well in advance that we needed to get involved, but the American people refused to let him. That is why it doesn't bother me that FDR might have let Pearl Harbor happen. The 2,200 deaths might well be worth it in the long run.
Oh brother!

The fact that the Japanese would attempt an attack on our soil would have been enough to convince a good many Americans that the barbarians, previously so easy to ignore due to our great distance from Europe, were now at our gates. FDR wouldn't have needed to 'let' the Japanese attack be successful. Interdicting the Japanese attack 20 or 30 miles out in the Pacific would have sufficed to sway public opinion.

Please, enough with the conspiracy theories already.

American soil could be defined as the soil within the 50 states (not counting the soil within an embassy). Using that definition, the Japanese never did attack our soil, as Hawii wasn't a state when Pearl Harbor was bombed.

This is me getting technical about a mute point, but hey, why not...

Cheers,
Purg-Z


Tehcnically, since Hawaii was not a state at the time of the attack, and as far as I remember, the 50 states included Hawaii, maybe you meant the 48 states? But it is a moot point..........
 
It makes perfect sense to have people who work full-time in the field of government determine its policies, since theoretically they should be most qualified to make those tough choices.
I disagree. I don't believe in pure-bred elected government officials. These creatures exist to benefit themselves and advance they and their friend's agendas often at our expense. They're disconnected with the private experience of the typical American. I would say they're generally the least qualified to make the tough choices. I'd rather see well educated, caring private citizens go into public service for a short time then exit the scene before they become corrupt.
 
Originally posted by: JellyBaby
It makes perfect sense to have people who work full-time in the field of government determine its policies, since theoretically they should be most qualified to make those tough choices.
I disagree. I don't believe in pure-bred elected government officials. These creatures exist to benefit themselves and advance they and their friend's agendas often at our expense. They're disconnected with the private experience of the typical American. I would say they're generally the least qualified to make the tough choices. I'd rather see well educated, caring private citizens go into public service for a short time then exit the scene before they become corrupt.

As would I. At what point does our current political process impede the interests of our citizens?
 
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