the uniformed division, us secret service

morkinva

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This was mentioned in another post, but I don't see a topic devoted solely to it, so here goes.

house report 109-333 section 605 THE UNIFORMED DIVISION, UNITED STATES SECRET SERVICE.

What's a few more violations of your first and fourth amendment rights. Maybe you'll think twice before you go and protest again, or maybe not even start because of this proposed law. Are you afraid of your government yet?

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http://www.rutherford.org/articles_db/commentary.asp?record_id=387

The Secret Police and Political Dissent
by John W. Whitehead
2/6/2006


Once upon a time, a handful of colonists, fed up with being arrested and jailed for speaking out, decided to take on the British Empire. These great dissenters won the war. And when it came time to write the Constitution, they made sure that they included the rights to free speech and to protest by enshrining these essential freedoms in the First Amendment.

Unfortunately, many of us have not learned the lessons that our forefathers tried to teach us. Indeed, as we move further into the new millennium, the American government increasingly resembles the empire against which our ancestors fought.

This fact was made abundantly clear with the passage of the USA Patriot Act and more recently with the revelation that President Bush bypassed federal law in approving warrantless electronic surveillance of Americans. And a new bill, sponsored by Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), gives the Secret Service unbridled authority to suppress political dissent?one of the most basic and essential elements of democracy.

The proposed law, with the Orwellian title ?Secret Service Authorization and Technical Modification Act of 2005,? states: ?It shall be unlawful for any person or group of persons to willfully and knowingly enter any posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area of a building or grounds so restricted in conjunction with an event designated as a special event of national significance.? Without defining what a ?special event of national significance? is, the provision continues: ?It shall be unlawful for any person or group of persons to willfully, knowingly, and with intent?engage in disorderly or disruptive conduct in, or within such proximity to, any building or grounds designated a special event of national significance.? The phrase ?engage in disorderly or disruptive conduct? is not defined, either. This means that whatever constitutes an event of ?national significance? or ?disruptive conduct? is left entirely to the discretion of the secret police.

And the penalty for breaking this law would increase the maximum imprisonment from 6 months to 10 years if committed with a weapon or 1 year if committed without a weapon.

The proposed law also creates a new federal police force: ?There is hereby created and established a permanent police force, to be known as the ?United States Secret Service Uniformed Division.?? And: ?Under the direction of the Director of the Secret Service, members of the United States Secret Service Uniformed Division are authorized to?carry firearms; make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United States committed in their presence.?

This law reaches a legitimate and necessary concern. And to the extent that it merely intends to protect the President without trampling on the civil liberties of Americans, the law makes sense. But that is precisely the problem?it provides law enforcement officials broad authority and discretion over our most basic rights. By giving federal agents the ability to prevent a citizen from attending a political event based on the belief?unfounded or not?that they will protest or speak unfavorably about the government, the law violates the right to speak freely on matters of public concern. After all, at the heart of the First Amendment is the ability to criticize the government and have an open and free discussion about its policies. The law also allows these new federal police agents the power to arrest and conduct warrantless searches, arguably in violation of the Fourth Amendment.

All this despite the fact that federal law currently provides criminal penalties for entering a restricted area where the President or other person is protected by the Secret Service.
However, even under current law, the Secret Service has participated in harassment of individuals who have appeared at taxpayer-funded forums with the President if they are perceived to disagree with the Bush Administration?s position. For example, on March 21, 2005, two Denver students who had obtained tickets from their Congressman were expelled from a ?town hall? forum because they had an anti-war bumper sticker on their car. Officials, including one who identified himself as a Secret Service agent, told the students the event was limited to audience members who shared the President?s views and that they would have to leave, even if they had no intention of disrupting the event. It apparently made no difference that the topic of the forum was Social Security reform, not the Iraq war. Similar incidents have occurred at presidential visits throughout the country.

The new law could seriously worsen the impact on free speech by banning any form of dissent, peaceful or not. It would allow the Secret Service, in effect, to declare martial law, cordon off areas and enforce exclusion zones at any event deemed a ?special event of national significance.? This even if no Secret Service protectee were scheduled to speak or attend.

In fact, it most likely would be used against groups from diverse political backgrounds. For example, if the Secret Service declares the next U.N. conference on population control an ?event of national significance,? it could arrest members of anti-abortion groups who want to protest. And under this new law, the Secret Service could shut down areas throughout the conference and arrest any potential protester who might violate the zone.

Sadly, the targets of the Secret Service under this law will not be terrorists or threats to national security. Perhaps that is the problem with post-9/11 America?the cloud of fear is so pervasive that we can no longer make commonsense judgments about own security and safety.

All law enforcement officers?federal, state and local?take an oath to uphold the laws and Constitution of the United States. And while many of them make a commendable effort to fulfill this obligation, others fail to understand the very document they swore to uphold. Countless congressional actions are passed every year seeking to address legitimate and pressing problems. But many of them, like this one, naively assume that they will be enforced by individuals who have a clear understanding of and appreciation for our Bill of Rights.

Constitutional attorney and author John W. Whitehead is founder and president of The Rutherford Institute. He can be contacted at johnw@rutherford.org.

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Passions

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Good! We need more measures like this to protect our freedom.

I'm all for a secret police carting and hauling away terrorists.

The day that you understand real threat terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.

 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: Passions
Good! We need more measures like this to protect our freedom.

I'm all for a secret police carting and hauling away terrorists.

The day that you understand real threat terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.


BAAAAAAA!

BAAAAAAA!
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Passions
Good! We need more measures like this to protect our freedom.

I'm all for a secret police carting and hauling away terrorists.

The day that you understand real threat terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.


BAAAAAAA!

BAAAAAAA!




The day that you understand the founding principles of our Republic, maybe you too will know that it's not worth giving up freedom for security.

 

morkinva

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Originally posted by: Passions
Good! We need more measures like this to protect our freedom.

I'm all for a secret police carting and hauling away terrorists.

The day that you understand real threat terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.

So to protect your freedom, you would welcome a law enacted to remove your freedom? I don't understand.
 

Orignal Earl

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Originally posted by: Passions
Good! We need more measures like this to protect our freedom.

I'm all for a secret police carting and hauling away terrorists.

The day that you understand real threat terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.


And a new bill, sponsored by Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), gives the Secret Service unbridled authority to suppress political dissent?one of the most basic and essential elements of democracy.

The proposed law, with the Orwellian title ?Secret Service Authorization and Technical Modification Act of 2005,? states: ?It shall be unlawful for any person or group of persons to willfully and knowingly enter any posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area of a building or grounds so restricted in conjunction with an event designated as a special event of national significance.?

How are you defining terrorists? Did you even read the article? Or you just saw the gov is trying to get this in place so it has to be a good thing
 

Passions

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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Passions
Good! We need more measures like this to protect our freedom.

I'm all for a secret police carting and hauling away terrorists.

The day that you understand real threat terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.


BAAAAAAA!

BAAAAAAA!




The day that you understand the founding principles of our Republic, maybe you too will know that it's not worth giving up freedom for security.



REPEAT FOR THE SLOW ONES:

The day that you understand real threat terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: Passions
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Passions
Good! We need more measures like this to protect our freedom.

I'm all for a secret police carting and hauling away terrorists.

The day that you understand real threat terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.


BAAAAAAA!

BAAAAAAA!




The day that you understand the founding principles of our Republic, maybe you too will know that it's not worth giving up freedom for security.



REPEAT FOR THE SLOW ONES:

The day that you understand real threat terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.





Repeat for the dense: The day that you understand the founding principles of our Republic, maybe you too will know that it's not worth giving up freedom for security.
 

Orignal Earl

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Originally posted by: Passions

REPEAT FOR THE SLOW ONES:

The day that you understand real threat terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.

By telling you, you can't wear your Bush sucks t-shirt?

 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Passions
Good! We need more measures like this to protect our freedom.

I'm all for a secret police carting and hauling away terrorists.

The day that you understand real threat terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.

You vote for Terrorists... We all do..

Our forefathers are rolling over in their graves right now over plans like this

 

Passions

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Passions
Good! We need more measures like this to protect our freedom.

I'm all for a secret police carting and hauling away terrorists.

The day that you understand real threat terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.

You vote for Terrorists... We all do..

Our forefathers are rolling over in their graves right now over plans like this

Forefathers didn't have 767's flying into buildings, suitcase nukes, suicide bombers, trying to attack our nation.

Different times call for different measures.

The world is a different place from horse carriages and muskets.

:roll:



 
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Originally posted by: Passions
Good! We need more measures like this to protect our freedom.

I'm all for a secret police carting and hauling away terrorists.

The day that you understand the real threat that terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.

And the day that you understand the importance of articles in a sentence maybe we too will be able to understand what you say.

Of course, that won't in any way make you less of a moron, but I'd appreciate it just the same.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: Passions
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Passions
Good! We need more measures like this to protect our freedom.

I'm all for a secret police carting and hauling away terrorists.

The day that you understand real threat terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.

You vote for Terrorists... We all do..

Our forefathers are rolling over in their graves right now over plans like this

Forefathers didn't have 767's flying into buildings, suitcase nukes, suicide bombers, trying to attack our nation.

Different times call for different measures.

The world is a different place from horse carriages and muskets.

:roll:






Our forefathers were under invasion by one of the finest armies in the world.



Yet they didn't sacrifice their liberties, they chose to risk death defending them.





 

Passions

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: Passions
Good! We need more measures like this to protect our freedom.

I'm all for a secret police carting and hauling away terrorists.

The day that you understand the real threat that terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.

And the day that you understand the importance of articles in a sentence maybe we too will be able to understand what you say.

Of course, that won't in any way make you less of a moron, but I'd appreciate it just the same.

Classic rebuttal of an ignoramus. Attacking the grammar, not the argument.

MORON!!!

 

CitizenKain

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Originally posted by: Passions
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Passions
Good! We need more measures like this to protect our freedom.

I'm all for a secret police carting and hauling away terrorists.

The day that you understand real threat terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.

You vote for Terrorists... We all do..

Our forefathers are rolling over in their graves right now over plans like this

Forefathers didn't have 767's flying into buildings, suitcase nukes, suicide bombers, trying to attack our nation.

Different times call for different measures.

The world is a different place from horse carriages and muskets.

:roll:

Hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

The bogey men are after us, won't somebody think of the childern!

 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: Passions
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: Passions
Good! We need more measures like this to protect our freedom.

I'm all for a secret police carting and hauling away terrorists.

The day that you understand the real threat that terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.

And the day that you understand the importance of articles in a sentence maybe we too will be able to understand what you say.

Of course, that won't in any way make you less of a moron, but I'd appreciate it just the same.

Classic rebuttal of an ignoramus. Attacking the grammar, not the argument.

MORAN!!!






fixed.





You have no argument, only blind fear.

COWARD!!!!
 

Passions

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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Passions
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: Passions
Good! We need more measures like this to protect our freedom.

I'm all for a secret police carting and hauling away terrorists.

The day that you understand the real threat that terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.

And the day that you understand the importance of articles in a sentence maybe we too will be able to understand what you say.

Of course, that won't in any way make you less of a moron, but I'd appreciate it just the same.

Classic rebuttal of an ignoramus. Attacking the grammar, not the argument.

MORAN!!!






fixed.





You have no argument, only blind fear.

COWARD!!!!


Why don't you tell that to the victims of 9/11, the families of fallen soldiers in Iraq? Say to their faces. I dare you. Who is the coward now?
 

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We are always at war with Eurasia.

- War is peace
- Freedom is slavery
- Ignorance is strength
 

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Ah, yes. Passions. The police state supporter. I guess he fails to understand that we aren't going to give up our liberties without a fight just because he thinks we don't need them anymore. You know, since the government is so trusting and all that.
 

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Originally posted by: Passions
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: Passions
Good! We need more measures like this to protect our freedom.

I'm all for a secret police carting and hauling away terrorists.

The day that you understand the real threat that terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.

And the day that you understand the importance of articles in a sentence maybe we too will be able to understand what you say.

Of course, that won't in any way make you less of a moron, but I'd appreciate it just the same.

Classic rebuttal of an ignoramus. Attacking the grammar, not the argument.

MORON!!!


Ok, I'll attack the moron (you) and not your grammar. This doesn't address terrorists. It addresses people who protest. It effectively silences whatever the government wants silenced. T

As far as the Founders go, they were very LIKELY to die, not hypothetically. They lived in a far more dangerous situation than you ever hoped to be (yes hoped, so you could justify Orwell's world, your Paradise).

If you are so afraid of people speaking against the government, Communist China would welcome you.
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: Passions
Good! We need more measures like this to protect our freedom.

I'm all for a secret police carting and hauling away terrorists.

The day that you understand real threat terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.

Ah, yes, lovely P&N . . . where the dumb go completely out of their way . . .

to proclaim their ignorance.

So here we have a country of nearly 300 Million people, shaking in their boots because there a couple thousand
bad guys out there in the rest of the whole world.
10,000 world wide by the highest count - and they're a force you can have a war with.
You've got more 'terrorists' in the Government attacking our freedoms, than there are in the balance of the United States
trying to get to you and your fellow paranoids.

and from another line:

Forefathers didn't have 767's flying into buildings, suitcase nukes, suicide bombers, trying to attack our nation.

Different times call for different measures.

The world is a different place from horse carriages and muskets.

1) There were 757's as well - remember them ?
2) Suitcase Nukes - tell me, where have those been detonated ? NAME ONE PLACE IN THE WHOLE WORLD !
3) Like above - name one place where SUICIDE BOMBERS have detonated themselves INSIDE OUR NATION.
4) Some places in the US strill use Horse & Carriage daily for their commerce (Amish)
5) Muskets - one of the mose deadly weapons of their day, a slight wound was nearly always fatal (no antibiotics)
6) Different Measures - You take a Quart, I'll take a Liter, or whould you perfer an Imperial Gallon ?

 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: Passions
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Passions
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: Passions
Good! We need more measures like this to protect our freedom.

I'm all for a secret police carting and hauling away terrorists.

The day that you understand the real threat that terrorists play in our daily lives, maybe you too will know that our govt is working to PROTECT us, not DESTROY us.

And the day that you understand the importance of articles in a sentence maybe we too will be able to understand what you say.

Of course, that won't in any way make you less of a moron, but I'd appreciate it just the same.

Classic rebuttal of an ignoramus. Attacking the grammar, not the argument.

MORAN!!!






fixed.





You have no argument, only blind fear.

COWARD!!!!


Why don't you tell that to the victims of 9/11, the families of fallen soldiers in Iraq? Say to their faces. I dare you. Who is the coward now?




I gladly would.

To honor the fallen is to defend liberty to the death.

So, you assume that they would all support giving up our liberties out of fear of further attacks.

You have no idea what you are talking about.
 

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Your article is retarded. I'm trying to find the great article I had pointing out all the ways in which the paranoia over this is dumb, but I'll just start with the easiest.

"The proposed law also creates a new federal police force: ?There is hereby created and established a permanent police force, to be known as the ?United States Secret Service Uniformed Division.?? And: ?Under the direction of the Director of the Secret Service, members of the United States Secret Service Uniformed Division are authorized to?carry firearms; make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United States committed in their presence.?


The Secret Service Uniformed Division has existed for thirty years under that name. They have a website.