"The unChristian Right" -- a study of Jerry Falwell

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: TravisT
As somone who considers themself a Christian as well as conservative and a Republican, I do not take offense to what you say. I can say that if the Democrats put anyone in other than Hillary I will likely vote Democrat this coming election. I voted based on moral values this last election and do not regret my decision. I think Kerry would have devastated this country and would have done harm to some of the stances I like to see Bush take on moral issues.

But if Democrats have a good shot this election. I see what the Republicans might put in, and its not that I have an issue with them. But they do not hold the same moral values that Bush does on issues I feel strongly about. I have also had some issues in te rms of inflation. People say the economy is doing great in terms of jobs. I do not necessarily agree that the economy is doing well as a whole. Gas prices have sky rocketed, I've seen two large companies in my area close down, the housing market is beginning to plateau, and i'm simply more poor now than I was 4 years ago. I will vote based on economics likely this coming term because something needs to be done there and I don't believe Bush has done a great job up to this point. But i'm not going to sacrifice my opinions for a very far left wing Democrat. If the Democrats put someone that is moderate in as their candidate... they will get my vote.

I agree. And I kind of liked the post by Hayabusa Rider too.

I am a Christian, pretty hardcore too if you ask me, and I, like many of my Chrisitan friends, think that "brother" Jerry is off his rocker. Like he is one of those people, you know? that got famous by saying outrageous things in front of large groups of people, mostly things that please the crowd. I can think of a couple other people like this, not all righties, and repubs........

And I also agree with travis that I'm gonna vote on moral grounds, not party lines. Kerry just screwed himself all over, at least in my opinion, when he started talking about getting "permission" from the UN to go to war and crap like that. We may be in a senseless war, but at least we have not given up the right to go to war as we see fit.

So I guess that I'm saying that if you are not a Christian, disregard Falwell and others like him. And if you are a Christian, you can go ahead and ignore him too. lol, I actually visited his church for a Sunday morning, and I was like, "wow. it is actually legal for him to say that???" And I'm pretty sure that I never heard from the Bible, only stuff that was bended and twisted to meet his political agenda. So there it is, from a hardcore Southern Baptist, Falwell is one of the worst things to ever happen to us.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: Genx87

You act like there is no religious left in this country.

The religious left isn't as loud, brazen or annoying as the right.
JMHO.

The religious left is as much to blame as the right. Instead of speaking up and taking a stand the cowardly religious left has stayed mute ans silent as they watch there country slid into the abyss.....

 

[straightalker]

I keep hearing the term "religious left". Who are they exactly? I've no idea. Are not most Democrats socialists and thus not playing or relying on playing the (phony) Christian card for votes? The Dems seems to collect mainly the New Agers and other duped sects.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: straightalker
I keep hearing the term "religious left". Who are they exactly? I've no idea. Are not most Democrats socialists and thus not playing or relying on playing the (phony) Christian card for votes? The Dems seems to collect mainly the New Agers and other duped sects.

Same could be said of the "religious right".....
I guess we are all in stereotyping or shall we say profiling....lolol

 

[themusgrat]

Same could be said of anybody religious, or at least Christian... Politicians either love us or hate us, same as most people.

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: straightalker
I keep hearing the term "religious left". Who are they exactly? I've no idea. Are not most Democrats socialists and thus not playing or relying on playing the (phony) Christian card for votes? The Dems seems to collect mainly the New Agers and other duped sects.

Al Sharpton

Jesse Jackson

Joe Lerbermen

 

[piasabird]

If you dont like oil sell your car!

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
God, I can't wait until this regime is gone. Then the dogs like Mr. Falwell may actually be put down.

Falwell was around long before this administration came upon us. (Moral Majority anyone?) He'll be around until he dies. Changing the administration isn't going to stop Falwell and people like him from expressing their opinions.

I certainly hope you're not suggesting that he and others like him need to be silenced.

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Aisengard
God, I can't wait until this regime is gone. Then the dogs like Mr. Falwell may actually be put down.

Falwell was around long before this administration came upon us. (Moral Majority anyone?) He'll be around until he dies. Changing the administration isn't going to stop Falwell and people like him from expressing their opinions.

I certainly hope you're not suggesting that he and others like him need to be silenced.

Sounded more like put to death.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Aisengard
God, I can't wait until this regime is gone. Then the dogs like Mr. Falwell may actually be put down.

Falwell was around long before this administration came upon us. (Moral Majority anyone?) He'll be around until he dies. Changing the administration isn't going to stop Falwell and people like him from expressing their opinions.

I certainly hope you're not suggesting that he and others like him need to be silenced.

Sounded more like put to death.

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt on that one...

 

[Vic]

Falwell is a hypocritical nutcase. Most Christians consider him and all the other televangelists (like Robertson) to be false prophets.

No outspoken Christian Left in the US? Who prosectuted the Scopes trial?

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: Vic
Falwell is a hypocritical nutcase. Most Christians consider him and all the other televangelists (like Robertson) to be false prophets.

Really? where do you get that information?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Vic
Falwell is a hypocritical nutcase. Most Christians consider him and all the other televangelists (like Robertson) to be false prophets.

Really? where do you get that information?

Yeah, 'cause all Christians are nutcase Fundies... :roll:

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Vic
Falwell is a hypocritical nutcase. Most Christians consider him and all the other televangelists (like Robertson) to be false prophets.

Really? where do you get that information?

Yeah, 'cause all Christians are nutcase Fundies... :roll:

I'm serious, which Christians consider Pat Robertson to be false prophets?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Vic
Falwell is a hypocritical nutcase. Most Christians consider him and all the other televangelists (like Robertson) to be false prophets.

Really? where do you get that information?

Yeah, 'cause all Christians are nutcase Fundies... :roll:

I'm serious, which Christians consider Pat Robertson to be false prophets?

For starters, try 1 billion+ Catholics (who accept only the religious authority of The Church). Then, pretty much all the rest of them that aren't Fundies (which is most of them). Mormons, JW's, Adventists, etc. particularly dislike televangelists. Most Christians consider the fact that televangelists get rich "doing the Lord's work" and live extravagent and impious lifestyles as proof enough that they are false prophets, as that is contrary to Christ's teachings.

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Vic
Falwell is a hypocritical nutcase. Most Christians consider him and all the other televangelists (like Robertson) to be false prophets.

Really? where do you get that information?

Yeah, 'cause all Christians are nutcase Fundies... :roll:

I'm serious, which Christians consider Pat Robertson to be false prophets?

For starters, try 1 billion+ Catholics (who accept only the religious authority of The Church). Then, pretty much all the rest of them that aren't Fundies (which is most of them). Mormons, JW's, Adventists, etc. particularly dislike televangelists. Most Christians consider the fact that televangelists get rich "doing the Lord's work" and live extravagent and impious lifestyles as proof enough that they are false prophets, as that is contrary to Christ's teachings.

So by default catholics call any Christian, who teaches and is not a Catholic, is a false prophet? Never heard that before. Does it come from a catechism?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Vic
Falwell is a hypocritical nutcase. Most Christians consider him and all the other televangelists (like Robertson) to be false prophets.

Really? where do you get that information?

Yeah, 'cause all Christians are nutcase Fundies... :roll:

I'm serious, which Christians consider Pat Robertson to be false prophets?

For starters, try 1 billion+ Catholics (who accept only the religious authority of The Church). Then, pretty much all the rest of them that aren't Fundies (which is most of them). Mormons, JW's, Adventists, etc. particularly dislike televangelists. Most Christians consider the fact that televangelists get rich "doing the Lord's work" and live extravagent and impious lifestyles as proof enough that they are false prophets, as that is contrary to Christ's teachings.

So by default catholics call any Christian, who teaches and is not a Catholic, is a false prophet? Never heard that before. Does it come from a catechism?

*sigh*

Did I say that? No.

They call people who falsely claim to prophesy with divine authority, like Robertson, Falwell, et al, false prophets. If all those televangelists did was lead their own flock, very few people would care. But instead they loudly and very publicly claim to lead ALL Christians, and claim that they have some kind of divine authority to do so, and claim that God speaks to them telling them hat ALL Christians should do. That's what makes them false prophets, and that's why most Christians disapprove of them.
Is this somehow hard to understand?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: Genx87

You act like there is no religious left in this country.

The religious left isn't as loud, brazen or annoying as the right.
JMHO.

Reverend Jessus Jackson and Al Sharpton arent brazen and annoying?
Maybe you forgot about the illegal immigrant being housed in a place of worship by a left leaning clergy in Chicago?

The religious left get a pass from the liberal media in this country because they represent the views the liberal media likes. But make no mistake they are just as crazed and looney as the religious far right.

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Vic
Falwell is a hypocritical nutcase. Most Christians consider him and all the other televangelists (like Robertson) to be false prophets.

Really? where do you get that information?

Yeah, 'cause all Christians are nutcase Fundies... :roll:

I'm serious, which Christians consider Pat Robertson to be false prophets?

For starters, try 1 billion+ Catholics (who accept only the religious authority of The Church). Then, pretty much all the rest of them that aren't Fundies (which is most of them). Mormons, JW's, Adventists, etc. particularly dislike televangelists. Most Christians consider the fact that televangelists get rich "doing the Lord's work" and live extravagent and impious lifestyles as proof enough that they are false prophets, as that is contrary to Christ's teachings.

So by default catholics call any Christian, who teaches and is not a Catholic, is a false prophet? Never heard that before. Does it come from a catechism?

*sigh*

Did I say that? No.

They call people who falsely claim to prophesy with divine authority, like Robertson, Falwell, et al, false prophets. If all those televangelists did was lead their own flock, very few people would care. But instead they loudly and very publicly claim to lead ALL Christians, and claim that they have some kind of divine authority to do so, and claim that God speaks to them telling them hat ALL Christians should do. That's what makes them false prophets, and that's why most Christians disapprove of them.
Is this somehow hard to understand?

So if Pat Robertson told ALL Christians to stop stealing - that would make him a false prophet?

 

[shrumpage]

Why do you assume that they are falsely claiming to prophesy with divine authority?

The New Testment has to really basic rules to apply to determine false teachings and false teachers.

1. Does it line up with exsisting scripture.

2. Does the the person bare good "fruit."

Fairly simple.


Does this mean everything they say (Robertson, Falwell) is right? No. People do make mistakes, make wrong assumptions, and even flat do the wrong thing - being a Christian doesn't make one instantly infailable. Christ dealt with his followers fighting, arguing, making mistakes, even saying the wrong things - that didn't invalidate them or make them "false prophets."

They were just being imperfect people, I don't see why that aspect of Christianity would have changed in the last two thousand years.

 

[db]

What exactly is you point?

 

[straightalker]

Originally posted by: shrumpage
Why do you assume that they are falsely claiming to prophesy with divine authority?

The New Testment has to really basic rules to apply to determine false teachings and false teachers.

1. Does it line up with exsisting scripture.

2. Does the the person bare good "fruit."

Fairly simple.


Does this mean everything they say (Robertson, Falwell) is right? No. People do make mistakes, make wrong assumptions, and even flat do the wrong thing - being a Christian doesn't make one instantly infailable. Christ dealt with his followers fighting, arguing, making mistakes, even saying the wrong things - that didn't invalidate them or make them "false prophets."

They were just being imperfect people, I don't see why that aspect of Christianity would have changed in the last two thousand years.

:disgust:The fruit of treason. The fruit of perception control psyops and dumbing down America. The fruit of alliance with the Neocons.

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: straightalker

Originally posted by: shrumpage
Why do you assume that they are falsely claiming to prophesy with divine authority?

The New Testment has to really basic rules to apply to determine false teachings and false teachers.

1. Does it line up with exsisting scripture.

2. Does the the person bare good "fruit."

Fairly simple.


Does this mean everything they say (Robertson, Falwell) is right? No. People do make mistakes, make wrong assumptions, and even flat do the wrong thing - being a Christian doesn't make one instantly infailable. Christ dealt with his followers fighting, arguing, making mistakes, even saying the wrong things - that didn't invalidate them or make them "false prophets."

They were just being imperfect people, I don't see why that aspect of Christianity would have changed in the last two thousand years.

:disgust:The fruit of treason. The fruit of perception control psyops and dumbing down America. The fruit of alliance with the Neocons.

Ok so now its gone from pat robertson being a false prophet to: Treason, psyops, AND dumbing down america? fasicanting.

Fruit of alliance with the Neocons

I"ve noticed with will people on the left, if some doesn't support EVERYTHING you do - then you can't be part of the group, and then you are removed. Joe Libermen being a recent example.

You will never garner support with that type of attitude.

You go with the party/group/person that supports most of what you do, and has the best chance of acomplishing it. The "Religous Right" tend to vote Republican because that party's platform lines up more with what those people support then the Democrat platform.

Does this mean that everything the republicans do, get Christians 100% support, no. They may only support 70% of what they do - but its more then what they get from the other side.