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"The unChristian Right" -- a study of Jerry Falwell

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straightalker

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I'll not get too intense here. Even though i battle with hatred for the phony Christian Right that keeps voting into office the total scum that's destrying my Country. Hate is not the right attitude. But look how low Jerry Falwell goes. He is misleading the sheeple that he and those like him have so much to blame for dumbing down for decades. Jerry has been jerking us off for 40+ years. Here's a link that's a beauty, a great place to start. Then i'll talk about the latest article Falwell wrote that turned my stomach sour...

MEDIA WHORE promotes other MEDIA WHORES "I thank God" for Hannity, Limbaugh, FOX

Latest Falwell perception control lies The candidate who can win in 2008

Here we're told the Patriot Act, which eviscerated the USA Constitution, is a good thing. Then he calls for the building of a fence between the USA and Mexico by our "next champion". Meaning our next President in 2008. A reference to our current chimpion GWB? Then he says we should naturalize what would amount to everyone except some criminals who are already here illegally. That's over 30 million. Plus another 30 million dependents eventually. Mass migration from Mexico to the USA of all their undesirables is all this is. Next issue.

He says open up all the available possibilities to oil corporations. You know those people. The fine folks like Rockefeller, the Crown Heads of Europe who own BP and the Alaska Pipeline. Etc. He calls it "untilizing our God-given resources". Sounds fine until we examine what an oil corporation today is. What they are has become the worst concentration of evil in business you can possibly imagine. The truth of course is if we were to burn all the available oil on the planet we would destroy it. Oil is filthy and dirty and toxic. When spilled it results in disasters like the EXXON Valdez nightmare. No. The answer to our energy needs is to stop the oil corporations and their shills in the USA Government from suppressing alternative energy technologies. It's been long since time to stop using filthy fossil fuels. The pollution caused by burning them has already caused the air in the World's major ciities like Mexico City to become toxic waste dumps.

These totally phony christian men like Jerry Falwell, are today talking the same line that the Republicans in power talk. Falwell whitewashes their dirty linen for them. And is a powerful agent in the process of dumbing the population down. He is a most dispicable liar in this regard. A fiendish treacherous piece of scum.

There's a whole pack of these phony christian leaders these days organized into what is very eroneously called "the christian right" in American. Well let's hope i just settled your confusion. They are not christians and they are not right. They're WRONG.

Use this link to search for information on all your most unfavorite but no less ultra popular unchristian right wing religious Satanic whores in the USA...

List of unchristian leaders

Scroll down and you will see Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, Lehaye. These are political activist religious leaders and many of them are also a Senior Pastor at a very large Protestant Church. What a disaster within the Church!

When the unChritian Right opens up their mouths, it is such a disgusting prattle of lies that it has to be challenged, stomped down and defeated. Our lives are all put at risk by them. They let the current evil Regime walk all over us and on the world stage they let them trash our Nation's reputation. The rise of Hitler in Nazi Germany was in total harmony with the phony unchristian leaders of his time and place. Picture 1930's Germany with a bunch of religious liars like Falwell greasing the skids for the slide of that Nation into a hellish 12 years ending in total destruction.

The war on terror is a phony war. Falwell wants you to believe it is real. What a liar. There's all the proof right there that any truthseeker needs to understand what these men really are. Study who the big bad evil enemy was that Hitler created. Same exact MO.

-- Adolf Hitler

"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death."

Feel free to take this thread in any reasonably related direction, just do not flame other posters. Help to save our Country. Nitpicking each other just works in their favor.
 
Part of what we in America fail to understand is our founding fathers great fear of religion to divide
a people. Simply because they came from a Europe whose recent history was simply of one religious war after another.---with the resulting bloodshed.

I think they somewhat realised that the while the language could be written into the constitution and the bill of rights, it still took the self-disipline of the politician not to play the religion card.

At the same time, various religious leaders have sought to make their faith the only faith.

Not only have the fears of the founding fathers faded in our minds, we live in a new era of mass communication---where the superstar televangalist can raise huge sums of money to spend on electing the politicians of their choosing.

Perhaps the implied solution to this is to yank the tax exempt status of such so called religious leaders.---who will also unite with that other power center---the corporation--to promote an agenda.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Perhaps the implied solution to this is to yank the tax exempt status of such so called religious leaders.---who will also unite with that other power center---the corporation--to promote an agenda.
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Perhaps the best example of that is the Pat Robertson unChristian Empire. What happens is these unChristian leaders get themselves connected to the Regime by leveraging their influence over the massive voting power of all their millions of mindless idiot FUNDIES. Pat's goal is run with that Regime to get in on all the payoffs and privalages of being a co-conspirator basicly in the total scam system.

Becoming a lapdog of Israel also is the specialty of most of these unChristian meglamaniacs like Robertson. Never mind that to be that lapdog the Scriptures have to be put into contortions in a vice and twisted. Promoting false doctrine never was a problem for these people. Like the false doctrine that we are supposed to obey our political leaders, that is based on a total twisting of Romans chapter 13.
 
Originally posted by: straightalker
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Perhaps the implied solution to this is to yank the tax exempt status of such so called religious leaders.---who will also unite with that other power center---the corporation--to promote an agenda.
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Perhaps the best example of that is the Pat Robertson unChristian Empire. What happens is these unChristian leaders get themselves connected to the Regime by leveraging their influence over the massive voting power of all their millions of mindless idiot FUNDIES. Pat's goal is run with that Regime to get in on all the payoffs and privalages of being a co-conspirator basicly in the total scam system.

Becoming a lapdog of Israel also is the specialty of most of these unChristian meglamaniacs like Robertson. Never mind that to be that lapdog the Scriptures have to be put into contortions in a vice and twisted. Promoting false doctrine never was a problem for these people. Like the false doctrine that we are supposed to obey our political leaders, that is based on a total twisting of Romans chapter 13.
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You act like there is no religious left in this country.

 
I think that there is a special place in hell for those unscruplous people who use the ruse of religion to intimidate
and control people, especially when they take what is supposed to br the philosiphy and doctrine of the Lord
and in 'his' name prey upon those who are weak minded, looking for a change in their status in life
or just plain dumb.

Here's an example of Religion misused by a Con-Man for his personal pleasure and benefit


I hope this son-of-a-bitch gets 60+ years in prison.

A meth-addict, rapist 'preacher', Upstanding righteous 'man-of-the-cloth' - yeah, right.
 
Just like in politics, religion is corrupted by money and power. Falwell and many of the other so-called evangelical "leaders" have shown this time and time again.
 
The somewhat super problem is that GWB is tossing Federal money in terms of Federal programs for these religious leaders to run---the first politician in our nation's history to
open that floodgate.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: straightalker
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Perhaps the implied solution to this is to yank the tax exempt status of such so called religious leaders.---who will also unite with that other power center---the corporation--to promote an agenda.
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Perhaps the best example of that is the Pat Robertson unChristian Empire. What happens is these unChristian leaders get themselves connected to the Regime by leveraging their influence over the massive voting power of all their millions of mindless idiot FUNDIES. Pat's goal is run with that Regime to get in on all the payoffs and privalages of being a co-conspirator basicly in the total scam system.

Becoming a lapdog of Israel also is the specialty of most of these unChristian meglamaniacs like Robertson. Never mind that to be that lapdog the Scriptures have to be put into contortions in a vice and twisted. Promoting false doctrine never was a problem for these people. Like the false doctrine that we are supposed to obey our political leaders, that is based on a total twisting of Romans chapter 13.
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You act like there is no religious left in this country.
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Do they run the Country into oblivion???
 
I definately agree that there are many "Christians" who are in the spotlight in America who don't follow Christ. Honestly I think many of them are hypocrits, and often times it seems like they do lack the compassion that Jesus certainly showed to sinners.

But seriously, not all Christians are that way, and yes, there are many many things wrong with the "Christian right" of America, but these people are not our leaders. Jesus Christ is our leader. This list of "unChristian" leaders you linked (http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/) is merely a collection of rants and objections, but to go as far as to say they are "unChristian" is ridiculous. A specific concern of mine is the inclusion of Tony Campolo, who has to be one of the most compassionate Christian leader I can think of... and he is FAR from right wing, and reading some of his books will quickly show you that.

In fact, Tony Campolo was one of the people who changed my mind about a LOT of political things, and if anything shifted me away from the very "Christian right" you are complaining about.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Do they run the Country into oblivion???
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You are blaming this country's problems on a particular group of religious people... You are using Christians as a scapegoat, and that is frankly frightening.

We have liberals who blame the conservatives, and conservatives who blame the liberals. The fact is, neither side has a real solution, and all this does is brew hatred and intolerance. Eventually, scapegoats are blamed, such as Christians.

If things get worse in this country, how far away are we from doing something truly terrible because of our fear, and our desire to cast blame? This is not a new story.
 
Originally posted by: Trevelyan
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Do they run the Country into oblivion???
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You are blaming this country's problems on a particular group of religious people... You are using Christians as a scapegoat, and that is frankly frightening.

We have liberals who blame the conservatives, and conservatives who blame the liberals. The fact is, neither side has a real solution, and all this does is brew hatred and intolerance. Eventually, scapegoats are blamed, such as Christians.

If things get worse in this country, how far away are we from doing something truly terrible because of our fear, and our desire to cast blame? This is not a new story.
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it is true that people like falwell enable a lot of this stuff to happen because for some reason a lot of people listen to him
 
The answer is for real Christians to *speak out* against the unChristian ones, and to the mistaken Christian ones, everytime the subject comes up. Because otherwise, the bad/mistaken Christians define all Christianity in the public eye.
 
So what the hell are the Democrats planning on doing to prevent terrorists trying to attack another American Icon and killing thousands of Americans?

I see no plan for anything other than hating the President. So all I have to say is come up with a realistic plan. Being nice to people that want to kill us will not encourage them to be peaceful and loving. It will just show them that we are weak and afraid of them.

This is the problem with Bush and even with Isreal. The reason Isreal has such a hard time is they are not willing to utterly kill and destrory their enemies. If we tried this lilly livered Pacifist Bullshit in WWII We would either be part of the German or Japanese Empires. All Fascist Terrorsts understand is fascist treatment so give them the pain and misery and death they are asking for. America has become weak in the face of the enemy. If we are going to fight a war we should utterly destroy the enemy. We should have left Baghdad and the Sunni Traingle one big pile of rubble and turned it all into one giant graveyard. This is all they understand.
 
piasabird, it's a very very different situation than World War II. Just like WWI and its sequel were entirely different from previous conflicts, hence the misunderstanding at the end of WWI and thus the sequel.

We can't look to our strategy back 60+ years ago and apply it to today. The world is different, and the situation is different. The logic that we should treat every conflict like a World War is flawed.

If we do what you say, then we will become exactly what they are trying to make us out to be. And that will really not help the situation.

The fact is, there are no sure answers. No one has ever faced something like this before. Yeah, we'll probably screw up. We already have. Go back to WWI, and they thought that the Germans needed complete destruction. Well, we learned our lesson there. After WWII, Mr. Roosevelt and others realized that the beaten Germany didn't need any more destruction, it needed help so that the moderate forces would come out of the woodwork and take over. Japan, while some thought somewhat rightly that it needed complete destruction (they would fight literally to the last man), others came up with a better answer, the nuclear bomb, and the problem was solved.

So hell, even if the lessons of the world wars were applicable, they would be opposite of what you were suggesting. But they aren't applicable. We don't know who has the right answer, because we don't know what the right answer is.

I'd say this situation is more like the Cold War, in that there are pockets of war that represent a larger problem, and that it is more a battle of minds than it is out and out warfare. But I must say that complete destruction never worked out for anyone.
 
We don't know who has the right answer, because we don't know what the right answer is
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i agree with most of what you've posted but especially so with what i've quoted you on.

QFT aisengard. in this particular instance and so many others as well, QFT. :thumbsup:
 
Pastor Chuck Baldwin: MY RESPONSE TO DR. JERRY FALWELL

Excellent followup piece to this thread for everyone who is interested in this thread's subject.

From my perspective though, it just shows how one totally bizarre Media Whore named Jerry Falwell, an unChristian phony minister, is outed also as a Republican nutcase who will support anything in the Oval Office that kicks him back some rewards for bootlicking. Though Dominionist alliances between Falwell and others in that faction also weigh in to some extent. The end justifies the means. Lies for power in that alchemy is somehow converted into pure gold.

Anyone can see that Pastor Chuck Baldwin has much more alligience to the Scriptures than Jerry Falwell, who uses the pages of Roman Chapter 13 for instance as toilet paper.
 
Originally posted by: Trevelyan
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Do they run the Country into oblivion???
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You are blaming this country's problems on a particular group of religious people... You are using Christians as a scapegoat, and that is frankly frightening.

We have liberals who blame the conservatives, and conservatives who blame the liberals. The fact is, neither side has a real solution, and all this does is brew hatred and intolerance. Eventually, scapegoats are blamed, such as Christians.

If things get worse in this country, how far away are we from doing something truly terrible because of our fear, and our desire to cast blame? This is not a new story.
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Your argument might have merit if the Liberals were in control. They aren't. The fault for every problem this nation has is the Right's and the Right's only. They must go for our long, national nightmare to end.
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
So what the hell are the Democrats planning on doing to prevent terrorists trying to attack another American Icon and killing thousands of Americans?

I see no plan for anything other than hating the President. So all I have to say is come up with a realistic plan. Being nice to people that want to kill us will not encourage them to be peaceful and loving. It will just show them that we are weak and afraid of them.

This is the problem with Bush and even with Isreal. The reason Isreal has such a hard time is they are not willing to utterly kill and destrory their enemies. If we tried this lilly livered Pacifist Bullshit in WWII We would either be part of the German or Japanese Empires. All Fascist Terrorsts understand is fascist treatment so give them the pain and misery and death they are asking for. America has become weak in the face of the enemy. If we are going to fight a war we should utterly destroy the enemy. We should have left Baghdad and the Sunni Traingle one big pile of rubble and turned it all into one giant graveyard. This is all they understand.
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For starters, they won't do everything in their power to boost recruiting numbers for al Queda as the Republicans have done. No leaving Osama to run free as the Republicans have done, no allowing Afghanistan to increase its opium production 100 fold, as the Republicans have done, no creating civil wars in countries NOT connected to the last attack, as the Republicans have done, no giving tax breaks to the super wealthy while heaping higher burdens on the middle class, as the Republicans have done. No deliberate profiteering for the oil companies, as the Republicans have done. I could go on all day, but surely you must have the capability to reason on your own.
 
Well, I'll waste my time here for a minute as I see there are plenty of idiots on both sides of this argument. I may as well join them for a post or two.

First the Falwell/Bush idiots.

People who feel strongly about issues tend to identify with others of stated like minds. Whether Bush or Falwell are Christian as CHRIST would have definded is not the point as much as they SAY they are. Because they do, the many millions of Christians want to give them the benefit of the doubt, often beyond what is reasonable at least initially. In other words, you can fool all or some of the people some or all of the time. This is not the fault of Christianity per se, but rather human nature. Does it help? Of course not, but it is good to remember that this applies to all people, including those here of opposite religious inclination.

For the anti Christian idiots.

Unfortunately, that has become most of P&N these days. My harshest criticism I reserve for you. You the "Enlightened" who never having had significant interaction enough to get to know who these people you hate are. Like the Falwell extremests, you stuff them into a box. No, that's not quite right. You stuff them into three boxes for the most part. One is if they pass YOUR litmus test of what is a "worthy Christian" or not. They must satsify YOUR sensibilities as to what a Christian is rather than any other standard. Again that's human nature, but not a laudable one. The third box is that which the Enlightened stuff those who believe in a God. You know who you are, because you look down on those simpletons who worship a Cosmic Muffin, or whatever you disparage them with. You KNOW because you are superior, they are idiots. I have news for you, we are all idiots at some level.

I recently had the privilige of working with some Christians in miserable conditions rebuilding a church and some homes in the Carribean. This was at their expense and most of them paid dearly for it. It came out of their own pockets. I was much more impressed with them than I am with the general Elite here.

As far as the Evil Bush giving money to religious organizations, did you know than a great deal of the restoration so far in LA has been at the considerable expense and personal hardship of Christians? A half million people according to NPR. THey took time off of work, depleted savings, went down and gave just about everything they had in many instances. Would I support giving willing people the means to do so? You bet, regardless if they are Christian or not. Frankly until you get to rub elbows with people in these kinds of situations you should not be such Ivory Tower wonders and go talk about something you actually know about.

Oh and to head off the ones who don't know me and would lump me into the Bush lover category, I am a well known disapprover of Bush, but because of his actions, not because of some rabid hate. Of course your personal mileage may vary.
 
As somone who considers themself a Christian as well as conservative and a Republican, I do not take offense to what you say. I can say that if the Democrats put anyone in other than Hillary I will likely vote Democrat this coming election. I voted based on moral values this last election and do not regret my decision. I think Kerry would have devastated this country and would have done harm to some of the stances I like to see Bush take on moral issues.

But if Democrats have a good shot this election. I see what the Republicans might put in, and its not that I have an issue with them. But they do not hold the same moral values that Bush does on issues I feel strongly about. I have also had some issues in te rms of inflation. People say the economy is doing great in terms of jobs. I do not necessarily agree that the economy is doing well as a whole. Gas prices have sky rocketed, I've seen two large companies in my area close down, the housing market is beginning to plateau, and i'm simply more poor now than I was 4 years ago. I will vote based on economics likely this coming term because something needs to be done there and I don't believe Bush has done a great job up to this point. But i'm not going to sacrifice my opinions for a very far left wing Democrat. If the Democrats put someone that is moderate in as their candidate... they will get my vote.
 
A lot of people have opinions, but very few have experience with these people. Most evangelical Christians are absolutely the best people--sincere, honest, loving, kind, caring, etc. They only want to do what God wants them to do.
But along with Faith comes trust, and when a few leaders influence what's being said in churchs, that information is being trusted as if it is from God, but it is not from God. This is an insidious manipulation to serve the desires of a few religious reactionaries, and is being additionally exploited by politicians.
Gaining power, becoming wealthy, punishing others, and telling others what to do and what not to do is *not* what Jesus told people to do. 'Love God' and 'Love others as you do yourself' is what Jesus wants us to do. Hating others is not part of His plan.
 
/me reaches for his 10 foot pole
/me removes its cobwebs, and thinks for a moment
/me puts the 10 foot pole back in its corner, thinking "I should let this collect dust more often"

As often occurs, believe in a silly god, and that some radical Jew from ages ago is your great spiritual savior, is nothing more a focal image. I firmly hold the belief that if our society were largely secluar humanist, we would have similar people in power, preying on similar emotional gullibility; because that is what is taught to them (I think there are more than a handful of 'science-worshipper' Athiests like that, today, too). How 'Christian' someone is is not a good measure of anything meaningful, at least insofar as politics and social values are concerned.

:thumbsup: Hayabusa Rider and Aisengard.
 
Originally posted by: TravisT
As somone who considers themself a Christian as well as conservative and a Republican, I do not take offense to what you say. I can say that if the Democrats put anyone in other than Hillary I will likely vote Democrat this coming election. I voted based on moral values this last election and do not regret my decision. I think Kerry would have devastated this country and would have done harm to some of the stances I like to see Bush take on moral issues.

But if Democrats have a good shot this election. I see what the Republicans might put in, and its not that I have an issue with them. But they do not hold the same moral values that Bush does on issues I feel strongly about. I have also had some issues in te rms of inflation. People say the economy is doing great in terms of jobs. I do not necessarily agree that the economy is doing well as a whole. Gas prices have sky rocketed, I've seen two large companies in my area close down, the housing market is beginning to plateau, and i'm simply more poor now than I was 4 years ago. I will vote based on economics likely this coming term because something needs to be done there and I don't believe Bush has done a great job up to this point. But i'm not going to sacrifice my opinions for a very far left wing Democrat. If the Democrats put someone that is moderate in as their candidate... they will get my vote.
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Well said by TravisT.

Churchianity not only attempts to make a complete mockery of Yahshua by representing the Creator of our Universe as some sort of political opportunist who preaches "the end justifies the means", ...they also make an attempt to make a complete mockery of the Holy Spirit by saying these dirty things that they do are based on His inspiration. They of course fail on both counts and only make a complete mockery of themselves.

A state of travesty does exist in most "Christian" bookstores as a result of all this. What books do we see the most these days? All the junk filled books from basicly just apostates.

If you ever abandon a passionate love of the truth it's proof you never had that real love in the first place.
 
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