The unbearable smugness of the press

[buckshot24]

Why is that interesting? Trump is referred to as a racist based on his numerous racist statements and actions, not on the percentage of whites that voted for him.

What race did he make racist statements about?

 

[fskimospy]

What race did he make racist statements about?

If you're trying to make the argument that 'Mexicans are not a race' you can just assume I called you an idiot and move on as I have zero interest in debating that.

If you're interested in Trump's long history of racism in addition to that though I strongly suggest you look up his actions with the Central Park Five and the Trump Organization's tangles with the feds over racist housing policy. The racism in both will make any decent person's stomach churn.

 

[buckshot24]

If you're trying to make the argument that 'Mexicans are not a race' you can just assume I called you an idiot and move on as I have zero interest in debating that.

If you're interested in Trump's long history of racism in addition to that though I strongly suggest you look up his actions with the Central Park Five and the Trump Organization's tangles with the feds over racist housing policy.

Trump thinking they are guilty is evidence of racism? Seriously? Is him not thinking the guy who later came forward did it (who isn't a white guy) evidence of something about racism? You're going to have a rough 4, maybe 8 years if this is how you're going to think. Insane

 

[Double Trouble]

How do you square your idea that 'no dissent was allowed' for support of Clinton with the fact that they spent more time reporting on her email server than all policy positions of the two candidates combined?

Does that sound like support to you?

Sorry, I phrased that poorly. I didn't mean they controlled the entire media and everything the media did. I'll leave that perspective to the conspiracy theorists. What I was trying to convey was that dissent was not allowed within the DNC elite and the close media allies: the decision makers at the DNC and close media allies was that she was going to be the candidate. Once that decision was made, there was no turning around and they did everything to make sure nothing could derail her candidacy, taking steps to neutralize the possible Bernie threat. It was simply her turn. In hindsight, someone else might have done much better, but we don't know that. I'm not convinced Bernie would have done much better, no matter what Bernie supporters say.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Yes, he rides a moose for fun

No, the moose is only when I'm on border patrol.

*This* is for fun.

 

[zinfamous]

Interestingly enough, nobody called Obama a racist when he got 80% of the black vote.

lol @ "We didn't have so many racial problems until Obama was in office!"

please....

 

[Double Trouble]

You mean Republicans, after years of being told the media is biased (with no proof), now actually believe it?

From what you linked to in a section titled "Republicans Fuel Drop in Media Trust".

While it is clear Americans' trust in the media has been eroding over time, the election campaign may be the reason that it has fallen so sharply this year. With many Republican leaders and conservative pundits saying Hillary Clinton has received overly positive media attention, while Donald Trump has been receiving unfair or negative attention, this may be the prime reason their relatively low trust in the media has evaporated even more. It is also possible that Republicans think less of the media as a result of Trump's sharp criticisms of the press. Republicans who say they have trust in the media has plummeted to 14% from 32% a year ago. This is easily the lowest confidence among Republicans in 20 years.

Your theory might hold water if it was just republicans who's trust in the media went down. It isn't. Many polls show media trust decreasing significantly among all groups, not just republicans. And again, that was before this election and all the leaks showing that a lot of distrust in the media was justified (Donna Brazille comes to mind). All that did is reinforce the position of those who have been saying for years the media are not to be trusted. Trust in the media is probably much worse now than ever.

 

[Double Trouble]

If you're interested in Trump's long history of racism in addition to that though I strongly suggest you look up his actions with the Central Park Five and the Trump Organization's tangles with the feds over racist housing policy. The racism in both will make any decent person's stomach churn.

I wasn't familiar with the Central Park Five story, so I did a quick read. Looks like he assumed they were guilty, and they were convicted as well. I'm sure there were plenty of racial undertones to the story, but what specifically did he do that was racist in the case? Sorry if I missed it, I just googled it and read the first couple of links. I think nowadays that's good enough for most papers in high school

The housing policy stuff is very racist and objectionable, that's one of the reasons I'm not a Trump supporter.

 

[fskimospy]

I wasn't familiar with the Central Park Five story, so I did a quick read. Looks like he assumed they were guilty, and they were convicted as well. I'm sure there were plenty of racial undertones to the story, but what specifically did he do that was racist in the case? Sorry if I missed it, I just googled it and read the first couple of links. I think nowadays that's good enough for most papers in high school

I mean he took out a full page ad in every single major paper in the city calling for the return of the death penalty in relation to the case which used a lot of racially charged language. Then when they were exonerated because someone else confessed and was linked to the crime using DNA evidence he said they were guilty anyway and letting them out of prison was a disgrace. It was incredibly disgusting.

The housing policy stuff is very racist and objectionable, that's one of the reasons I'm not a Trump supporter.

Fair!

 

[Double Trouble]

I mean he took out a full page ad in every single major paper in the city calling for the return of the death penalty in relation to the case which used a lot of racially charged language.

That's neither surprising nor evidence of him being a racist. The five guys that were accused and convicted so it's easy to see how race would play a role in the whole mess.

Then when they were exonerated because someone else confessed and was linked to the crime using DNA evidence he said they were guilty anyway and letting them out of prison was a disgrace. It was incredibly disgusting.

I find that really disgusting. Even after they are pretty much proven to have been falsely accused and falsely imprisoned you continue to attack them? That's disgusting It's not necessarily racist, it could have been the same if the five were white -- though I doubt it would have been the same. That's like concluding that someone who is against illegal immigration is racist. It could be that they are racist and for that reason against immigration, but it could also be that they are just against illegal immigration. Sometimes the motivations are clear, sometimes they are not.

 

[buckshot24]

No, the moose is only when I'm on border patrol.

*This* is for fun.

Such a careless mistake on my part. Accept my apologies.

 

[buckshot24]

I wasn't familiar with the Central Park Five story, so I did a quick read. Looks like he assumed they were guilty, and they were convicted as well. I'm sure there were plenty of racial undertones to the story, but what specifically did he do that was racist in the case? Sorry if I missed it, I just googled it and read the first couple of links. I think nowadays that's good enough for most papers in high school

There can only be one reason to treat a black person unfairly, don't you know that?

Basically something bad happens to a black person so therefore it happened because they were black, that's all there is to it.

From what I can tell, Trump is probably wrong on this and he may be treating these men unfairly but why assume it is because of their race?

 

[soundforbjt]

There can only be one reason to treat a black person unfairly, don't you know that?

Basically something bad happens to a black person so therefore it happened because they were black, that's all there is to it.

From what I can tell, Trump is probably wrong on this and he may be treating these men unfairly but why assume it is because of their race?

Guess you missed this part of Double Trouble's next post:

I find that really disgusting. Even after they are pretty much proven to have been falsely accused and falsely imprisoned you continue to attack them? That's disgusting It's not necessarily racist, it could have been the same if the five were white -- though I doubt it would have been the same. That's like concluding that someone who is against illegal immigration is racist. It could be that they are racist and for that reason against immigration, but it could also be that they are just against illegal immigration. Sometimes the motivations are clear, sometimes they are not.

 

[buckshot24]

Guess you missed this part of Double Trouble's next post:

Whether or not he is acting fairly toward them is a completely separate question. How is that racist? Did you notice what race the guy is who came forward and confessed? Trump doesn't think he did it, is that because of his race?

 

[buckshot24]

I mean he took out a full page ad in every single major paper in the city calling for the return of the death penalty in relation to the case which used a lot of racially charged language. Then when they were exonerated because someone else confessed and was linked to the crime using DNA evidence he said they were guilty anyway and letting them out of prison was a disgrace. It was incredibly disgusting.



Fair!

But was it racist? Your evidence is pretty weak.

 

[soundforbjt]

But was it racist? Your evidence is pretty weak.

Maybe now you'll address his housing practices and tell us how that wasn't racist either, even though he lost the case.

 

[buckshot24]

If it is enough to show Trump being unfair to a black person (or group) to prove his racism is it therefore proof of his not being racist when he treats a black person well? If not, why not?

 

[buckshot24]

Maybe now you'll address his housing practices and tell us how that wasn't racist either, even though he lost the case.

Is that an admission that there isn't enough evidence of racism in the other case?

 

[agent00f]

Because anyone that disagrees with you can't possibly be a Democrat, got it.

While we're on the subject of your lies: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/so-about-10-days-left-of-the-drama.2491737/page-2#post-38573907

 

[Jhhnn]

Is that an admission that there isn't enough evidence of racism in the other case?

Trump may not be racist, but he's #1 with racists & bigots of all stripes.

The likelihood of that being some sort of cosmic accident seems remote.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

You know, losing the USSC for decades would give some people cause to stop and reflect before doubling down on what got us here, but hey, go for it.

Sure, and Mussolini made the trains run on time. And I hear Franco really liked Christians.

Quality ethical (and moral) reasoning right there.

 

[soundforbjt]

Trump may not be racist, but he's #1 with racists & bigots of all stripes.

The likelihood of that being some sort of cosmic accident seems remote.

I'm sure some he assumes some are good people...

 

[buckshot24]

Trump may not be racist, but he's #1 with racists & bigots of all stripes.

The likelihood of that being some sort of cosmic accident seems remote.

I hope you keep that kind of talk up because you'll get him for 8 years.

 

[agent00f]

I hope you keep that kind of talk up because you'll get him for 8 years.

Funny these people set out to prove they're not racist by voting for the birther whose central plank was hating was on mexicans, muslims and other minorities.

 

[agent00f]

This is the stupidest thing ever to complain about. Early in the primaries, republicans were calling Trump a democrat. Who the hell cares about the label?

Quite interesting when the response to charges of dishonesty is it's no big deal because their peers do it, too.