the Cayenne looks loads better than that FX45, the Volvo suv, the VW one, etc.Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: tagej
Poser SUV indeed. Talk about "wannabe".... These people want to be seen in a Cayenne, but then get the one without the studly engine .. sheesh!
I wouldn't want to be "seen" in a Cayenne. The damn thing is too ugly to be seen in. I'm not saying that it is Aztek or Element ugly, but the damn thing has few if any pleasing lines to the eye.
Eh the V6 engine that they are using is not a bad one, VW is using it for their flagships Passat R32, Gold R32 etc...Still I don't think it fits well for this purpose.
What they really need to do is slap in the RS6 engine in there
What they really need to do is slap in the RS6 engine in there
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Originally posted by: N8Magic
Gotta love the blind hatred for VW in this thread.
I don't think anyone is blindly hating VW - the question is whether a VW V-6 is an appropriate choice for a Porsche SUV, which respectfully I think it isn't. On the other hand, I don't really think I would like a Porsche SUV even if it were gorgeous and powered by a turbo-era 1000 bhp Porsche race engine.
Did you read all of my post? Are you familiar with sarcasm?
I see. funny guy :frown:
/edit: My friend keeps telling me that his Corolla has a V4.[/quote]
muahahha .. V4
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Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Originally posted by: N8Magic
Gotta love the blind hatred for VW in this thread.
I don't think anyone is blindly hating VW - the question is whether a VW V-6 is an appropriate choice for a Porsche SUV, which respectfully I think it isn't. On the other hand, I don't really think I would like a Porsche SUV even if it were gorgeous and powered by a turbo-era 1000 bhp Porsche race engine.
IMO, there was a lot of blind hatred shown on the first page of the thread. (ie. people ragging on the build quality of the engine, etc)
Why isn't it an appropriate engine? The Touareg (which is based on the same platform) has that exact engine available for it, and it's completely adequate. Granted, you're not going to be a stoplight hero, but this engine and it's lower cost per unit makes the Cayenne accessible to a broader market. If you were the businessman in this case, would you not want to appeal to as large of a market as possible?
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The Carrera is not a big pig of a vehicle either. The Cayenne is at LEAST 1000 lbs more than a 911. Also, it has been said before.. The 911 uses a flat 6, not a V6.
The FX45 will eat the V6 Cayenne's lunch. It's not even too far off of the V8 version either because it weighs a lot less than the Cayenne.
Sal
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I should hope so.
I think a more fair comparison would be the FX35 (3.5L V6) vs. the Cayenne V6. Besides, nobody buys a V6 SUV to be a drag-strip maniac. They're typically looking for a lower cost-of-entry, and possibly better gas mileage than the V8 counterparts.
Why does no one rip on BMW for making the X5 3.0? It's also a weak V6 in an overweight SUV.
why don't people just buy the Tuorag instead of the Cayenne then?? Oh yea, they want that PORSCHE name.
Looks like hte FX35 has this beat.
Looks like hte FX35 has this beat.
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In all fairness, VW has done a lot to erode buyer loyalty in recent years, and their overall build quality and reliability have been appropriately called into question. I am fond of them, but would think twice about buying one.
The thing is, I don't doubt you are right that a V-6 would make the Cayenne accessible to a broader market, but the problem is one of brand identity. I do not and will not buy into the idea that Porsche should be in the business of making 5,000-pound SUVs, particularly ones that can routinely be outraced by a Honda Element (as a 240 bhp Cayenne likely could), in spite of an out-the-door price of over $50K (I severely doubt that a reasonably-equipped V-6 Cayenne would cost less, when a leather-equipped Cayenne S runs $60,000).
An admittedly grossly imprecise analogy would be to ask whether, say, Rolls-Royce could build their accessibility to the market by buying 100,000 Kia Rios a year, rebadging them with a RR logo, installing a huge chromed grill, and selling them for $22K each. They presumably would increase their market share, but at what cost? Porsche has always been a distinctive marque, known for making race-tested, highly reliable sports cars at relatively sane prices (compared to true exotics). They are not and should not, IMO, try to become generalists by making a light truck.
I understand the Cayenne is Porsche's effort at building a vehicle whose sales are less subject to economic fluctuation than a true sports car. I think, when we look back at it in 20 years, it will be their Edsel. If what they wanted was market share, IMO they should have gone the route of making a smaller, lighter, less expensive sports car (i.e., a spiffier Miata competitor), and giving it a base price in the high 20s. I just don't think the market wants a horribly expensive, ugly, gas guzzling Porsche SUV.
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I really don't like the X5 OR the Cayenne, but to answer your question, the X5 3.0 weighs about 500 lb. less than the Cayenne, and has a base price $10K less than the Cayenne S. In all fairness, we don't know how much Porsche would ask for a V-6 Cayenne, but I betcha it costs more.
For what it's worth, I think the X5 might be the MOST useless SUV out there, even though I love BMW. Its appearance still spanks the Cayenne, though, and I would not be embarrassed to drive one around, as I think I would by a Cayenne.
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Originally posted by: JC
*sigh*.....doesn't anybody fvcking read?????? Did you look at the link? I know they don't have V6s, DUH!
I guess sarcasm is a lost art.
If it is worth anything I got your sarcasm the first time around. Just too many people are reading and not comprehending.
Anyhow, I think the V6 move is just a greedy way to generate more revenue; like somebody said, the dummying down of the Porsche name.
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Originally posted by: JC
Did you read all of my post? Are you familiar with sarcasm?
This forum needs a sarcasm smiley face...
Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: JC
*sigh*.....doesn't anybody fvcking read?????? Did you look at the link? I know they don't have V6s, DUH!
I guess sarcasm is a lost art.
If it is worth anything I got your sarcasm the first time around. Just too many people are reading and not comprehending.
Anyhow, I think the V6 move is just a greedy way to generate more revenue; like somebody said, the dummying down of the Porsche name.
I thought the SUV was the dumming down of Porsche.
How people can knock the looks of this car and actually like the Nissan Murano or the FX is beyond me...they both look like crap...sure there is the price difference but that still does not save the Nissan from looking like trash.
It won't be the first time Porsche has built a car with a Volkswagen engine - the 914 of 1969 was powered by a flat-four air-cooled VW unit,
i remember the 914,i used to bust the stones of a guy at school,who thought that he had some super
\"hot" car,until i told him he had a VW engine in the car,and if he did not believe me to go look at a
VW bug.
i remember the 914,i used to bust the stones of a guy at school,who thought that he had some super
\"hot" car,until i told him he had a VW engine in the car,and if he did not believe me to go look at a
VW bug.
The Murano is ugly, but the FX most definately is not. The Porsche, on the other hand, looks like complete crap. Like that Hyundai/Kia/whatever SUV with a Porsche front end tacked on.
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The Cayenne looks like a Hyundai Sante Fe a$$ humped a 911 Turbo:
http://www.edmunds.com/media/2002/geneva/porsche.cayenne.f34.500.jpg
The FX45 is just beautiful:
http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/02images/fx45_2.jpg
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I actually think you are doing Hyundai a disservice by that comparison - I think the Santa Fe is a reasonably handsome vehicle for what it is. The Cayenne is MUCH worse.
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