The two America’s, physically.

[fskimospy]

I'm not sure what that means, but I'll go ahead and give you credit for it being something well reasoned and intelligent. Benefit of the doubt and all that.

If you aren’t going to give a well reasoned and intelligent response it seems kind of unfair to expect me to.

 

[Greenman]

If you aren’t going to give a well reasoned and intelligent response it seems kind of unfair to expect me to.

You don't agree that what you described is a state? The only difference I see is the desire to keep tax dollars confined to certain areas. That's simply a desire to punish the "others" that you disagree with. This is tribalism and retribution. It's the desire to try and punish those that won't do as you want them to. You want conformity in political thinking, you believe that your brand of politics is clearly superior to theirs and it offends you that they won't see how right you are. The primary issue facing us is that the majority of people see the world this way, myself included.

 

[fskimospy]

You don't agree that what you described is a state? The only difference I see is the desire to keep tax dollars confined to certain areas. That's simply a desire to punish the "others" that you disagree with. This is tribalism and retribution. It's the desire to try and punish those that won't do as you want them to. You want conformity in political thinking, you believe that your brand of politics is clearly superior to theirs and it offends you that they won't see how right you are. The primary issue facing us is that the majority of people see the world this way, myself included.

No, it’s not a state because as I explicitly stated it would take on some of the interstate responsibilities of the federal government.

The rest of your post is an insane rant that makes no sense. I explicitly said that the primary reason I am reluctant to go this way is because I DON’T want people in those other less successful areas to be punished or harmed.

I’m frankly disturbed that you view politics this way but it seems to be the disease that has infected the entire American right, this desire to not just win power but to hurt and punish their opponents. What happened to you guys?

 

[pmv]

It does seem hard to see how politics can continue to function properly in a situation where one side are so much in the grip of a delusion.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/republicans-free-fair-elections-435488

70 percent of Republicans now say they don’t believe the 2020 election was free and fair, a stark rise from the 35 percent of GOP voters who held similar beliefs before the election.
Among Republicans who believed that the election wasn’t free and fair, 78 percent believed that mail-in voting led to widespread voter fraud and 72 percent believed that ballots were tampered with — both claims that have made a constant appearance on the president’s Twitter thread. Like President Donald Trump, a majority of the people that thought the election was unfair, 84 percent, said it benefited Biden.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You don't agree that what you described is a state? The only difference I see is the desire to keep tax dollars confined to certain areas. That's simply a desire to punish the "others" that you disagree with. This is tribalism and retribution. It's the desire to try and punish those that won't do as you want them to. You want conformity in political thinking, you believe that your brand of politics is clearly superior to theirs and it offends you that they won't see how right you are. The primary issue facing us is that the majority of people see the world this way, myself included.

It's not too often you see someone just outright admit their projection

 

[ch33zw1z]

It does seem hard to see how politics can continue to function properly in a situation where one side are so much in the grip of a delusion.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/republicans-free-fair-elections-435488

70 percent of Republicans now say they don’t believe the 2020 election was free and fair, a stark rise from the 35 percent of GOP voters who held similar beliefs before the election.
Among Republicans who believed that the election wasn’t free and fair, 78 percent believed that mail-in voting led to widespread voter fraud and 72 percent believed that ballots were tampered with — both claims that have made a constant appearance on the president’s Twitter thread. Like President Donald Trump, a majority of the people that thought the election was unfair, 84 percent, said it benefited Biden.

The fact that they haven't had a candidate win the popular vote is decades makes no difference to them. If they can't win, nobody can.

 

[ralfy]

The U.S. economy is controlled by the rich, which also funds both political parties, the government, businesses, and consumers, and owns industries ranging from defense to pharma to food processing to media, including social networks and entertainment (showbiz, sports, etc.).

Both parties use combinations of neoliberalism (deregulation favoring the rich and forcing weak countries to open up their economies for exploitation of resources) and neoconservatism (the use of the military to ensure "freedom and democracy" in other countries but for the same ends as neoliberalism) to serve that rich, which earns from military spending and access to cheap resources and labor abroad.

 

[Jaskalas]

I’m frankly disturbed that you view politics this way but it seems to be the disease that has infected the entire American right, this desire to not just win power but to hurt and punish their opponents. What happened to you guys?

The GAP happened.
Living under their own policy for nearly 40 years, Trickle Down Reaganomics, has done this to them.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Why physical separation? How about everyone just votes for what set of legislators have rights to make laws that apply to them and off we go?

I vote Dem, then I have Dem legislative and tax policies applies to me. Vote Pub? Same thing in the inverse.

😀

 

[ralfy]

More going to the richest across many decades:

The Benefits of Economic Expansions Are Increasingly Going to the Richest Americans (Published 2014)

The bottom 90 percent used to take home a majority of the income gains from a growing economy. Not anymore.

www.nytimes.com

with borrowing and spending increasing since the early 1980s:

Krugman and the pied pipers of debt

Investors are celebrating an incipient "recovery," but the interventions that were responsible for it are sowing the seeds of a more violent contraction down the road. The problem, quite simply, is debt. We've accumulated record amounts, yet many economists tell us we need more.

blogs.reuters.com

 

[NTMBK]

More going to the richest across many decades:

The Benefits of Economic Expansions Are Increasingly Going to the Richest Americans (Published 2014)

The bottom 90 percent used to take home a majority of the income gains from a growing economy. Not anymore.

www.nytimes.com

with borrowing and spending increasing since the early 1980s:

Krugman and the pied pipers of debt

Investors are celebrating an incipient "recovery," but the interventions that were responsible for it are sowing the seeds of a more violent contraction down the road. The problem, quite simply, is debt. We've accumulated record amounts, yet many economists tell us we need more.

blogs.reuters.com

Why did you feel the need to post this in multiple threads, including this one that is almost entirely unrelated?

 

[emperus]

It does seem hard to see how politics can continue to function properly in a situation where one side are so much in the grip of a delusion.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/republicans-free-fair-elections-435488

70 percent of Republicans now say they don’t believe the 2020 election was free and fair, a stark rise from the 35 percent of GOP voters who held similar beliefs before the election.
Among Republicans who believed that the election wasn’t free and fair, 78 percent believed that mail-in voting led to widespread voter fraud and 72 percent believed that ballots were tampered with — both claims that have made a constant appearance on the president’s Twitter thread. Like President Donald Trump, a majority of the people that thought the election was unfair, 84 percent, said it benefited Biden.

Even going deeper than this. If I told you the polls(both Republican and Democratic) had a certain candidate leading the incumbent impressively in a majority of electoral states, that the country was in the midst of a pandemic that killed 300,000 people, more per capita than any other country due to his incompetency in handling it.. and the incumbent president almost won? Which side do you think the fraud would most likely be on? The fact that half the country believes that there was fraud needed for him to lose, cast a vote for him and still supports him is scary at best. I keep saying this, we are fuxed as a country. Just watch/read fox news and see what they are focusing on. "Dr. Jill Biden"? wtf.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Why did you feel the need to post this in multiple threads, including this one that is almost entirely unrelated?

He's bumped a number of threads that had their last reply nearly a month ago 🤔🤔🤔

 

[ralfy]

Why did you feel the need to post this in multiple threads, including this one that is almost entirely unrelated?

Because it explains the real division of the U.S.: a small percentage that controls the U.S. economy and funds both political parties which work for it, and a large percentage that's not aware of this.