the truth about abortion

[Agman]

http://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-case.html
*WARNING: THIS LINK CONTAINS HARSH AND GRUESOME IMAGES, DISCRETION IS ADVISED*

Can you honestly look at this video and defend abortion? All religious matters aside, its the law that we can't murder other human beings. And quite frankly those babies are human beigns, not "parasites" as some people like to call them. This video is very shocking and gruesome but its the reality that ALL americans must face.

Don't think that I'm saying ALL abortions are wrong, since I do know that sometimes medical conditions demand an abortion and I have to no problem with that since the mother is in danger of death. But these types of abortions are only 1% out of all of them! The rest are for other reasons like rape, or just because the woman does not want to have a child.

Seriously, if a woman does not want the child at all; why kill the child? Adoption is what they should do. They have no right to take the life of that child just because they feel like it

That being said, I think this link provides all the proof to defend the argument that abortion is wrong. 41 MILLION LIVES!! And the abortion industry keeps growing and growing and making more and more money. While women say "I have a choice!", how can people be so selfish? They are not the only human being involved in the situation. They have a HUMAN BEING inside of them!

 

[judasmachine]

/bound for the ashbin of flamewars already fought.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Cyclowizard in 3...2...1...

 

[Polish3d]

I'm not going to buy that the baby pictured at the end is 'just a fetus, not a human.' Pretty sick ******.

 

[jlmadyson]

No I can't and no need to look.

 

[Agman]

My purpose is not to start a flamewar but to try and show people what abortion is really like.

 

[Gand1]

go away

 

[Agman]

Originally posted by: Gand1
go away

why should I go away? People are too scared or afraid of facing reality. Ignorance must be bliss, huh? While millions of babies are being murdered.

 

[nageov3t]

if it's not viable outside of the womb, I can't really see how it's considered a person.

I mean, if we took a man's semen and dropped it into a petri dish with a woman's egg, would the contents of that petri dish constitute a living, thinking, independant human being?

 

[Agman]

Originally posted by: loki8481
if it's not viable outside of the womb, I can't really see how it's considered a person.

I mean, if we took a man's semen and dropped it into a petri dish with a woman's egg, would the contents of that petri dish constitute a living, thinking, independant human being?

So your saying we must be thinking and independent to be human? What about people with mental problems or elderly people who cannot live by themselves need peopel to bathe them, feed them, take care of them (just like a woman does to a baby inside of her) Since they don't think or are independent are you saying we should "abort" them as well?? They are living beings is not like they are dead inside.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: loki8481
if it's not viable outside of the womb, I can't really see how it's considered a person.

I mean, if we took a man's semen and dropped it into a petri dish with a woman's egg, would the contents of that petri dish constitute a living, thinking, independant human being?

I know senior citizens who arent viable without breathing assistence. Are they suddenly not human because they arent viable?

We can take this a bit further and extend it to people in car crashes, shot, beaten, or sick who need help to breath, feed, or continue to live.

I dont buy into the argument a baby because it requires the help of modern technology to live is not a human.

 

[BrownTown]

that one at the end looks a little to developed to be before the age at which fetuses can be legally aborted. Also, for your statistics, what percent of abortion actually occur this late in the development?, it can't be very high. You should know well before that point that your pregnant, and if you decide to have an abortion its stupid to wait till the last possible legal moment since it increases your risk of complications. Well, anyway, i still support the US current abortion laws based on the current scientific knowledge we have. Personally I think it makes much more sense to abort as soon as possible before there is any chance that a fetus could be developed enough to have conscious thought. But anyway, it legal to kill other animals with mroe developed brains then any of these fetuses have, so if you decry abortion for nonreligious reason then you would also have to be against eating cows, or using dogs for testing, etc...

 

[Gaard]

If I were you Agman, I'd be offended by the phrase near the beginning of the video..."and nobody seems to care."

Apparently, the anti-abortion folk aren't doing enough for their cause.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Agman
My purpose is not to start a flamewar but to try and show people what abortion is really like.

It won't work. Your tactic is flamebait. You need to dig up old threads and read them, this issue is beaten worse than an aborted fetus.

Also another point that gets brushed over is those against abortion seem to think that it's supporters actually like abortion. The truth is no one LIKES it, but in a free society it's one more thing that someone should have the right to do.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Agman
And quite frankly those babies are human beings...

Why?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
that one at the end looks a little to developed to be before the age at which fetuses can be legally aborted. Also, for your statistics, what percent of abortion actually occur this late in the development?, it can't be very high. You should know well before that point that your pregnant, and if you decide to have an abortion its stupid to wait till the last possible legal moment since it increases your risk of complications. Well, anyway, i still support the US current abortion laws based on the current scientific knowledge we have. Personally I think it makes much more sense to abort as soon as possible before there is any chance that a fetus could be developed enough to have conscious thought. But anyway, it legal to kill other animals with mroe developed brains then any of these fetuses have, so if you decry abortion for nonreligious reason then you would also have to be against eating cows, or using dogs for testing, etc...

This is a first, somebody equating a baby with a common farm animal. And we wonder why the world is going to hell and a handbasket?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Cyclowizard in 3...2...1...

Asshat troll in... Oh, you made it here before I did and didn't contribute anything. Shocker!

Originally posted by: BrownTown
that one at the end looks a little to developed to be before the age at which fetuses can be legally aborted.

There is no legal limit to the age at which a fetus can be aborted in the US.

 

[Hacp]

How about I show you a picture of a few dead cells? Thats how it looks like up intil the end of 3 months.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BrownTown
that one at the end looks a little to developed to be before the age at which fetuses can be legally aborted. Also, for your statistics, what percent of abortion actually occur this late in the development?, it can't be very high. You should know well before that point that your pregnant, and if you decide to have an abortion its stupid to wait till the last possible legal moment since it increases your risk of complications. Well, anyway, i still support the US current abortion laws based on the current scientific knowledge we have. Personally I think it makes much more sense to abort as soon as possible before there is any chance that a fetus could be developed enough to have conscious thought. But anyway, it legal to kill other animals with mroe developed brains then any of these fetuses have, so if you decry abortion for nonreligious reason then you would also have to be against eating cows, or using dogs for testing, etc...

This is a first, somebody equating a baby with a common farm animal. And we wonder why the world is going to hell and a handbasket?

in

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Agman
What about people with mental problems or elderly people who cannot live by themselves need peopel to bathe them, feed them, take care of them (just like a woman does to a baby inside of her) Since they don't think or are independent are you saying we should "abort" them as well?? They are living beings is not like they are dead inside.

if someone is being kept alive solely through the use of machines with no meaningful brain activity and no hope of recovery... what's the difference between pulling their plug and aborting a fetus?

 

[Agman]

No is not that the abortion folk aren't doing enough for their cause. Is that no one seems to be interested in what we have to say and prefer to keep living their lives in a state of complete ignorance.

When I said non religious reasons I didn't mean I did not have any, because I do. The reason I stated that was to show people that religion is not the only thing that consider abortion wrong.

In response to the animal killing? So are we basing our "right" to kill on how well the brain is developed?? What about childs that are born that their brains are less developed than animals?? You argue that since their brains are less developed we could kill them??

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Hacp
How about I show you a picture of a few dead cells? Thats how it looks like up intil the end of 3 months.

Really? You're sure about this? Fetus at 12 weeks (which is less than three months, btw).

 

[Agman]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Agman
What about people with mental problems or elderly people who cannot live by themselves need peopel to bathe them, feed them, take care of them (just like a woman does to a baby inside of her) Since they don't think or are independent are you saying we should "abort" them as well?? They are living beings is not like they are dead inside.

if someone is being kept alive solely through the use of machines with no meaningful brain activity and no hope of recovery... what's the difference between pulling their plug and aborting a fetus?

Where in this thread did I say that pulling the plug was right?? I keep looking but I don't see it anywhere. Please don't put words in my mouth.

 

[judasmachine]

Please list your reasons, religious, or otherwise. You'll learn a lesson that all of us regulars have known for quite some time.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Agman

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Agman
What about people with mental problems or elderly people who cannot live by themselves need peopel to bathe them, feed them, take care of them (just like a woman does to a baby inside of her) Since they don't think or are independent are you saying we should "abort" them as well?? They are living beings is not like they are dead inside.

if someone is being kept alive solely through the use of machines with no meaningful brain activity and no hope of recovery... what's the difference between pulling their plug and aborting a fetus?

Where in this thread did I say that pulling the plug was right?? I keep looking but I don't see it anywhere. Please don't put words in my mouth.

*hug*

I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm just making a comparison to explain my beliefs and how, in my mind, I see euthenasia and abortion on pretty much equal moral grounds.