The Iraqi gov themselves HAS said they don't need us and they don't want us. It is their country, their land, their people, their decision. Bye doodz.
I kind of feel like the anti-war party is flipping ideology here for no reason other than "Fuck Trump". Be consistent in your ideology even if an orange asshole and all his Trumptard minions agree with you. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, there is plenty that both sides agree on.
For starters that's just some politicians and is not the full government saying that, so for all we know its just crazy assholes like Turmp bleating nationalist jingoism.
No, what you simpletons trying to oversimplify it as "pro or anti war" ignore is that this doesn't change any of the shit that people have been complaining about. We're still gonna be in the Middle East in a big way. Those troops aren't coming home, they're just gonna move to another area in the Middle East. And because of this, there's a very good chance we'll be sending them and more back into that region to deal with fallout from us doing this. This looks like its more likely to lead us to a big dumb stupid war, and that's why we're against it. Heck, even if we play it smart and don't go full blown into it, it still fucks us (as we saw in Syria). Which required us going in anyway.
Sorry, we're not leaving the Middle East. For some bad reasons, but plenty of good ones. Those of you "let's get out of the Middle East entirely!" isolationists don't realize is, that would be detrimental to the US. Our success was born out of being involved internationally. It helped stabilize the world and foster trade and economic progress (that benefits the US to a great degree, literally its the reason why America became what it is, as after WWII ravaged the globe, we provided a strong stabilizing influence). It is very important for our own success that the world is relatively stable. As I know you people might think that letting them go crazy and butcher each other won't matter for us over here, it fucking will. To say nothing of possibly ceding it to Russian and Chinese influence.
Hell, speaking specifically just of Syria, it triggered a huge international issue with refugees all over, that has been a huge role in enabling far right wing groups and politicians spouting extremist rhetoric, to make inroads. Couple that with the policies of those groups, and if you thought the 2008 recession was bad, you guys are gonna be in for a surprise.
Point being if we're damned if we do and damned if we don't, then if we're given a situation where we can do quite little but get solid results, we'd have to be dumbasses to not keep going that route while we try to figure out and work on longer term outcomes. That's effectively what we did in Korea. We tried in Vietnam but then fucked that up because we chose to run off (and then literally millions of people died, which is why our military has not wanted to run off after conflicts, it creates a vaccuum where often the most horrible shit mankind is capable of occurs).
I don't know if you guys realize the ramifications of your isolationism. And its you people that have enabled Turmp to possibly do more damage to us internationally than any other President. Because he's used your arguments as his reasoning for pulling a lot of shit that you don't seem to be aware of (he's royally fucked up our international diplomatic situations, like he fired a huge amount of the staff, which means, our diplomatic outreach now is basically tied to Turmp's asshole since he talks out of it so much; if I'm not mistaken, he's done things that will make it difficult to fix those issues as well - which means a lot of countries are gonna buddy up to others like China).
Especially considering our history, I just cannot fathom WTF made so many Americans become old school isolationists. Its like you're kids that want to just cover yourself with a blanket and ignore all the bad stuff. We know isolationism causes problems. I've been really trying to avoid going there, but last time we tried that shit, you know what happened? Not sure if you noticed but there's been a rise in radical right wing politics lately...
We know that American success has been largely due to international outreach. You absolutely can make the case for smarter methods of handling foreign policy (with the Middle East being the reason that you point to and say we need to change our foreign policies), but running away accomplishes nothing positive other than for countries that want to harm ours and have been actively working to do that. You say you don't want more war, well learn these situations then and realize that pulling troops out often leads to war, because that's why the troops were there in the first place. I hope you people realize it takes time for things to stabilize. Just because active fighting with ISIS had severely gone down doesn't mean that oh things are great we could totally leave without it causing problems. Because without providing a stabilizing presence, the conditions that ferment that type of chaos will be there again. And that will hurt us, both directly and indirectly.
Its like people want to recreate the same mistakes of the past. How about we actually work to change things, and try to prevent the situations that led to our dumb mistakes? We know its stupid to go starting big dumb wars based on bullshit. We also know that running off creates problems. We have seen that having a presence and over time working for diplomatic (and economic) prosperity, that it helps bring long term stability and benefits them (often the region as a whole) and ourselves. Now, unfortunately we already did the big dumb war part, and the running off part. So, how about we try what we've seen work multiple times before?
